Just watching this conversation and have to say, Kim, it's not "corny" at all. It IS cool to see this stuff and feel "connected" to those in our past. I freely confess to having a good cry recently when I "found" my 3x great grandmother had arrived here as a little girl with her convict Mother (my 4x great grandmother) only to be snatched away and put in an orphanage upon arrival in the colony. It was a very moving experience. I am so relieved to find that my relatives at least made it here alive. I might be a big sook but I couldn't bear the thought of them being tossed overboard to feed the sharks! When we start to take all this stuff for granted and stop finding it "cool" it's time to give it away. I reckon you're cool for sharing that thought with us all. "Onya" girl Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim and Daz Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 9:37 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter Thank you so much Jan - I truly appreciate the time and effort everyone has put in to helping the novice (me!) You guys are great and should be so proud of the help you give everyone. I have ordered both certificates so I will let you know what happens. I have my grandparents marriage certificate and if has my great grandmothers plus both my grandparents signatures on it - I know its corny - but its cool to see their writing. Again thanks so much for the help Kim -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 6:16 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter Hello again Kim, The death certificate will give the names of his parents as supplied by the Informant at the time . The marriage cert should also have his father's name and occupation...as given by John himself. Some marriage certificates record both parents of both parties. The witnesses to the wedding are often of interest as well. Buying the two will allow you to either verify the information or confuse you further but at least you'll know that it relates to your ancestor. I'm sure just about everyone told a few fibs, never thinking genealogy would become the all consuming pastime it has. Happy hunting, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter > Ok me again - sorry if I am becoming a royal pain! > > John's death certificate has his parents as Thomas and Fanny on the BDM > site. I ordered the certificate a couple of weeks ago, but am yet to > receive it. Just while I think of it - would his death certificate be > sufficient and have all info or is there more to be found if I ordered his > marriage certificate to Isabella also? John then named a daughter Francis > and his son John named one of his sons Thomas, which then seemed to tie in > with his parents name (I was so glad that we started to get away from > calling everyone John!) My grandmother long ago wrote some things out > about > the family and although there are some discrepancies in there (such as she > changed the DOB for 1 of her kids who was born out of wedlock and she > hasn't > included the death of another born out of wedlock, but I think that this > was > more because it was frowned upon greatly in her time, rather than her > trying > to deceive anyone). She notes in there that we came from Scotland and I > am > a little emabarrassed to say that the year and place I came upon when I > was > first starting my research and was (and still am) a novice. I started a > tree on Ancestory and found a John whos parents are Thomas and Fanny and > the > information listed was that John was born in 1832 from Dundee. I did send > this person a message asking if this could be my John and that I had a lot > of information from recent times that I could help with, but I never > received a reply. Luckily I have listed where I got all my information > from, but again, wrongly I shouldn't have assumed this to be correct. > > I really have no idea what religion he was and the McCarter's today are > all > over the place with their religions. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson > Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 8:11 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter > > Kim > > Where did you get his birth and parent details from? There is no record > on > Scotlands People of the birth of a John McCarter (or McArthur) to Thomas > and > > Fanny (or Frances) - in Dundee or elsewhere in Scotland between 1800 and > 1854. This doesn't necessarily mean that your details are wrong. The > pre-1855 birth and marriage records are sourced from the parish records of > the (established) Church of Scotland. Pre-1855 Roman Catholic and other > Church records are not on the Scotland's People site - yet. They are > promised. > > I couldn't find a record for a marriage for Thomas and Fanny (Frances) > either. "Fanny" is not a very Scottish usage. It tends to appear more in > England. Numbers of McCarters in the 1841 Scotland Census were born in > Ireland. So it could be that your Thomas and Fanny were Irish born, and > married in Ireland? Was your John a Catholic? > > Regards > > Rhoda > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:37 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter > > >>I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to >> help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems >> to >> be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as >> birth/marriage/death records are concerned. >> >> I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are >> sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so >> far >> as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a >> John >> McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him >> anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a >> John >> McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there >> is >> sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I >> doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were >> Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were >> other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she >> was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for >> her, >> other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. >> >> There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I >> cant >> view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay >> for >> something that might not even be relevant. >> >> If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just >> disappear >> without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so >> much appreciate it. >> >> Cheers >> Kim >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message