It may not be correct - but worth checking the film. I did check for her death with parents named but couldn't find it, although parents names are not always noted or known at the time. The only deaths I could find with those parents named are: 6455/1887 MACKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6455/1887 MCKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6888/1898 THOMSON ELIZABETH BARNARD ANN RANDWICK An Elizabeth Gallagher married a William Thomson at Scot's Church in Sydney: V18541010 81/1854 THOMPSON WILLIAM GALLAGHER ELIZABETH QC All needs checking - but that's what family history research is all about. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks for that Lesley, I think I will give it go - just needed a little nudge ........... appreciate it.

Thanks Lesley, I had picked these ones up also and they are on my list. Very kind of you to take an interest and help out. Has anyone else had the same trouble I have in contacting the Transcription agents from the BDM. I have tried two different ones and get no response. One was two weeks ago and one two days ago. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 12:33 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions It may not be correct - but worth checking the film. I did check for her death with parents named but couldn't find it, although parents names are not always noted or known at the time. The only deaths I could find with those parents named are: 6455/1887 MACKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6455/1887 MCKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6888/1898 THOMSON ELIZABETH BARNARD ANN RANDWICK An Elizabeth Gallagher married a William Thomson at Scot's Church in Sydney: V18541010 81/1854 THOMPSON WILLIAM GALLAGHER ELIZABETH QC All needs checking - but that's what family history research is all about. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks for that Lesley, I think I will give it go - just needed a little nudge ........... appreciate it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, To jog your memory. Ann Goldie (alias Hughes) arrived on the Louisa in 1827 with 4 little girls. Mary Ann (11) Isabella (7) Margaret (5) Elizabeth (3) All taken from her as she was put into the Female factory. I come from Margaret's line and doing pretty well with her but want to know about the other girls. I am following all leads as per your suggestions in the previous email below. I have now found on that (Marriage Certificate) that Elizabeth did marry one Robert Gallocher (you may remember that Ann Goldie was and her husband were convicted along with two teenage boys and that it occurred to me that Elizabeth may have actually married one of those boys when he arrived in the colony as the spelling of his name was different but sounded similar. (Robert Gallocher/Callocher). The Certificate arrived but did not give me the clues I was seeking. There is no age for Elizabeth Hughes given - just that she was a spinster. If it is the right Elizabeth she would have been about 18 in 1842 at the time of this marriage so the time is okay. Still don't know if it the same "Robert". I was disappointed until I decided to look up the witnesses. Henry Ledge and Mary Ledge. That marriage told me that Mary Ledge was originally Mary HUGHES! This may be Mary Ann - Elizabeth's big sister !!!! It was an exciting find BUT doesn't help a great deal as I see poor Henry Ledge died a year later! Poor Mary ...... what a life! I would have thought Mary would have remarried . There is a Mary LODGE married to a John Robinson in 1855. Could be her with a different spelling? Does anyone know if Henry Ledge was a convict? Maybe that would help me with some clues. These girls are proving very elusive but does go to show how checking every detail even the witnesses can lead to something. That is, IF this is Elizabeth's sister. It seems Ann and Bernard Hughes died soon after receiving their TOL's (they were older parents of a young family when they arrived) but it looks like the girls may have stayed "close". I am no closer to knowing if this Robert Gallocher/Callocher is the same one convicted along with the girls' parents. Has anyone any ideas? Also - is there a list anywhere of the names of the graves that were moved from Central (Railway Site). I'm struck by the "small" community Sydney town really was in those early days - so many connections between folk. Kind regards, Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 12:33 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions It may not be correct - but worth checking the film. I did check for her death with parents named but couldn't find it, although parents names are not always noted or known at the time. The only deaths I could find with those parents named are: 6455/1887 MACKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6455/1887 MCKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6888/1898 THOMSON ELIZABETH BARNARD ANN RANDWICK An Elizabeth Gallagher married a William Thomson at Scot's Church in Sydney: V18541010 81/1854 THOMPSON WILLIAM GALLAGHER ELIZABETH QC All needs checking - but that's what family history research is all about. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks for that Lesley, I think I will give it go - just needed a little nudge ........... appreciate it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerri Just a few corrections to ensure your records are correct. Ann and Bernard/Barnard had both received Conditional Pardons by the time they had died. A Conditional Pardon allowed them much more freedom than just a Ticket of Leave - it gave them freedom (although not being allowed to leave the colony at that stage) :) whereas a TOL could be revoked at any time and had certain restrictions. Being in possession of a TOL still meant that you were classed as a convict. You also stated that you had received the marriage certificate for Elizabeth Hughes. This was not a marriage certificate but a church record of their marriage. Some people say that they don't contain very much information, but I don't agree with them, as they often include some clues.... as your one did. It sounds to me as though you have found the correct marriage because of the inclusion of the witnesses. You also say that you are unsure if Robert Gallagher, Gallocher and Callocher and any other variations of the spelling is the person who was convicted in Scotland at the same time. Have you found his death records ? as this may state the number of years in the colony. Have you obtained the birth certificates of any children born or died after 1856, as these also may provide further evidence. Then, on the other hand, they may not provide you with any concrete. There was no convict by the name of Henry Ledge to arrive as a convict. There was a convict by the name of Henry Lodge who arrived in 1836 on the ":Lady Kennaway" and was free by 1842. There is a book available about the Sydney Burial Ground 1819-1901 and History of Sydney's Early Cemeteries from 1788 by Johnson and Saintly and you will find a copy of this is many libraries..... some listers may have a copy of it. The headstones were moved to a variety of locations, but you could check the Botany Cemetery at: http://www.esmp.net.au/index.htm This web site is searchable - go to Search & Map facility on the left hand side. Are you certain that all the children were taken from Ann on arrival? A child of the age of 3 was sometimes still feeding from her mothers breast and was therefore allowed to stay with the mother at the Factory. That's it for now regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:00 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Leslie, To jog your memory. Ann Goldie (alias Hughes) arrived on the Louisa in 1827 with 4 little girls. Mary Ann (11) Isabella (7) Margaret (5) Elizabeth (3) All taken from her as she was put into the Female factory. I come from Margaret's line and doing pretty well with her but want to know about the other girls. I am following all leads as per your suggestions in the previous email below. I have now found on that (Marriage Certificate) that Elizabeth did marry one Robert Gallocher (you may remember that Ann Goldie was and her husband were convicted along with two teenage boys and that it occurred to me that Elizabeth may have actually married one of those boys when he arrived in the colony as the spelling of his name was different but sounded similar. (Robert Gallocher/Callocher). The Certificate arrived but did not give me the clues I was seeking. There is no age for Elizabeth Hughes given - just that she was a spinster. If it is the right Elizabeth she would have been about 18 in 1842 at the time of this marriage so the time is okay. Still don't know if it the same "Robert". I was disappointed until I decided to look up the witnesses. Henry Ledge and Mary Ledge. That marriage told me that Mary Ledge was originally Mary HUGHES! This may be Mary Ann - Elizabeth's big sister !!!! It was an exciting find BUT doesn't help a great deal as I see poor Henry Ledge died a year later! Poor Mary ...... what a life! I would have thought Mary would have remarried . There is a Mary LODGE married to a John Robinson in 1855. Could be her with a different spelling? Does anyone know if Henry Ledge was a convict? Maybe that would help me with some clues. These girls are proving very elusive but does go to show how checking every detail even the witnesses can lead to something. That is, IF this is Elizabeth's sister. It seems Ann and Bernard Hughes died soon after receiving their TOL's (they were older parents of a young family when they arrived) but it looks like the girls may have stayed "close". I am no closer to knowing if this Robert Gallocher/Callocher is the same one convicted along with the girls' parents. Has anyone any ideas? Also - is there a list anywhere of the names of the graves that were moved from Central (Railway Site). I'm struck by the "small" community Sydney town really was in those early days - so many connections between folk. Kind regards,