Hi again Rhoda, My computer is coming up with a message which says that it does not recognise that email address. Could you check it again for me please. It doesn't seem to like the "uk" bit. I use Microsoft Outlook Express and operate with Windows Vista if that helps. Kerri P.S. Loved the details you learned about your family - what a buzz! Poor man - can't you just "feel" the stress he must have been experiencing? -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:04 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri I addressed my email to enquiries@nas.gov,uk and got a very helpful reply listing all the documents in the precognition and trial papers. I bought copies of all the documents that were available and it cost me about £120. You could be more selective. There is much more detail in the precognition and trial papers than is recorded in the online catalogue summary. You should get copies of the witness statements for a start. For example I learned what my GGG Grandfather had been wearing on the day that he tried to pass a forged bill of exchange; I learned that one of his younger daughters had recently suffered serious burns (probably fallen into the hearth); I learned something about the relationship between him and his older brother. Lots of little things that made me feel a close connection to this man and the way he lived almost 200 years ago. I suggest that you are quite specific about your request and ask them to list what documents are available in the precognition and trial papers relating to the trial of Bernard and Ann Hughes. This is the general information that the NAS gave me in their response: "For serious nineteenth century criminal cases two types of record usually survive. Firstly there is the precognition, which is the written report of the evidence of witnesses to a crime, taken before the trial in order to help prepare the case against the accused. This should include the indictment and the statements of the witnesses and the accused concerning the offence. Precognitions are contained among the records of the Lord Advocate's department (series ref: AD). Secondly, there are records of the High Court of the Justiciary (series ref: JC). Cases where sentence of transportation was handed down were tried before this court, which sat in Edinburgh and on circuit. The primary justiciary records to consult are the minute books, which contain a summary of the proceedings in court (series JC6-14) and the process or case papers (series ref JC-26). " Hope that helps Rhoda R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > > > > > From: Kerri Ferguson [mailto:kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 9:30 AM > To: 'aus-convicts@rootsweb.com' > Subject: > > > > Hi Listers - can anyone help! > > > > I have several times sent emails to the NAS site with a question but all > get back is that voluminous electronic all-purpose message which does NOT > answer my question. > > > > In the Crown Office precognition, Ref:AD14/27/157 Bernard Hughes and Ann > Hughes (his wife) are named along with a John Reid (18 yrs) and Robert > Gallacher (17 yrs) as being the accused of the crime of theft. Both the > Hughes were eventually transported. I do not wish to go to the expense of > purchasing the records if this is all the information contained in them > i.e. > what is summed up on the "single record details" page? Can anyone tell > me > if there is more detail available in records such as these if one actually > orders and purchases them. > > > > It's just a GENERAL question about what one gets when one purchases the > records. That electronic message I keep getting does not answer this > specific question. > > > > Kerri > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerri Sorry, I was in bed when this arrived! I am in the UK. The email address is correct BUT I typed in a comma after "gov" instead of a full-stop. Correct email address is enquiries@nas.gov.uk I have to admit that I cried when I found out about him. I thought he had died (in Scotland) before the 1841 Census and then I accidentally came across a reference to his conviction. He wasn't a young man. He was 45 with 8 daughters aged 18 and under. This was a man who had lived in a small town in Scotland all his life suddenly faced with being sent to an unknown land thousands of miles away from his family. Even the sentence is terrifying: "to be transported beyond the seas" for life. All for forging and uttering a bill of exchange. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi again Rhoda, My computer is coming up with a message which says that it does not recognise that email address. Could you check it again for me please. It doesn't seem to like the "uk" bit. I use Microsoft Outlook Express and operate with Windows Vista if that helps. Kerri P.S. Loved the details you learned about your family - what a buzz! Poor man - can't you just "feel" the stress he must have been experiencing? -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:04 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri I addressed my email to enquiries@nas.gov,uk and got a very helpful reply listing all the documents in the precognition and trial papers. I bought copies of all the documents that were available and it cost me about £120. You could be more selective. There is much more detail in the precognition and trial papers than is recorded in the online catalogue summary. You should get copies of the witness statements for a start. For example I learned what my GGG Grandfather had been wearing on the day that he tried to pass a forged bill of exchange; I learned that one of his younger daughters had recently suffered serious burns (probably fallen into the hearth); I learned something about the relationship between him and his older brother. Lots of little things that made me feel a close connection to this man and the way he lived almost 200 years ago. I suggest that you are quite specific about your request and ask them to list what documents are available in the precognition and trial papers relating to the trial of Bernard and Ann Hughes. This is the general information that the NAS gave me in their response: "For serious nineteenth century criminal cases two types of record usually survive. Firstly there is the precognition, which is the written report of the evidence of witnesses to a crime, taken before the trial in order to help prepare the case against the accused. This should include the indictment and the statements of the witnesses and the accused concerning the offence. Precognitions are contained among the records of the Lord Advocate's department (series ref: AD). Secondly, there are records of the High Court of the Justiciary (series ref: JC). Cases where sentence of transportation was handed down were tried before this court, which sat in Edinburgh and on circuit. The primary justiciary records to consult are the minute books, which contain a summary of the proceedings in court (series JC6-14) and the process or case papers (series ref JC-26). " Hope that helps Rhoda R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > > > > > From: Kerri Ferguson [mailto:kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 9:30 AM > To: 'aus-convicts@rootsweb.com' > Subject: > > > > Hi Listers - can anyone help! > > > > I have several times sent emails to the NAS site with a question but all > get back is that voluminous electronic all-purpose message which does NOT > answer my question. > > > > In the Crown Office precognition, Ref:AD14/27/157 Bernard Hughes and Ann > Hughes (his wife) are named along with a John Reid (18 yrs) and Robert > Gallacher (17 yrs) as being the accused of the crime of theft. Both the > Hughes were eventually transported. I do not wish to go to the expense of > purchasing the records if this is all the information contained in them > i.e. > what is summed up on the "single record details" page? Can anyone tell > me > if there is more detail available in records such as these if one actually > orders and purchases them. > > > > It's just a GENERAL question about what one gets when one purchases the > records. That electronic message I keep getting does not answer this > specific question. > > > > Kerri > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Rhoda, I will try again. Strange that you were in bed when my message arrived....... I wasn't aware that genealogists ever slept! Will let you know how I get on. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 6:27 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri Sorry, I was in bed when this arrived! I am in the UK. The email address is correct BUT I typed in a comma after "gov" instead of a full-stop. Correct email address is enquiries@nas.gov.uk I have to admit that I cried when I found out about him. I thought he had died (in Scotland) before the 1841 Census and then I accidentally came across a reference to his conviction. He wasn't a young man. He was 45 with 8 daughters aged 18 and under. This was a man who had lived in a small town in Scotland all his life suddenly faced with being sent to an unknown land thousands of miles away from his family. Even the sentence is terrifying: "to be transported beyond the seas" for life. All for forging and uttering a bill of exchange. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi again Rhoda, My computer is coming up with a message which says that it does not recognise that email address. Could you check it again for me please. It doesn't seem to like the "uk" bit. I use Microsoft Outlook Express and operate with Windows Vista if that helps. Kerri P.S. Loved the details you learned about your family - what a buzz! Poor man - can't you just "feel" the stress he must have been experiencing? -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:04 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri I addressed my email to enquiries@nas.gov,uk and got a very helpful reply listing all the documents in the precognition and trial papers. I bought copies of all the documents that were available and it cost me about £120. You could be more selective. There is much more detail in the precognition and trial papers than is recorded in the online catalogue summary. You should get copies of the witness statements for a start. For example I learned what my GGG Grandfather had been wearing on the day that he tried to pass a forged bill of exchange; I learned that one of his younger daughters had recently suffered serious burns (probably fallen into the hearth); I learned something about the relationship between him and his older brother. Lots of little things that made me feel a close connection to this man and the way he lived almost 200 years ago. I suggest that you are quite specific about your request and ask them to list what documents are available in the precognition and trial papers relating to the trial of Bernard and Ann Hughes. This is the general information that the NAS gave me in their response: "For serious nineteenth century criminal cases two types of record usually survive. Firstly there is the precognition, which is the written report of the evidence of witnesses to a crime, taken before the trial in order to help prepare the case against the accused. This should include the indictment and the statements of the witnesses and the accused concerning the offence. Precognitions are contained among the records of the Lord Advocate's department (series ref: AD). Secondly, there are records of the High Court of the Justiciary (series ref: JC). Cases where sentence of transportation was handed down were tried before this court, which sat in Edinburgh and on circuit. The primary justiciary records to consult are the minute books, which contain a summary of the proceedings in court (series JC6-14) and the process or case papers (series ref JC-26). " Hope that helps Rhoda R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > > > > > From: Kerri Ferguson [mailto:kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 9:30 AM > To: 'aus-convicts@rootsweb.com' > Subject: > > > > Hi Listers - can anyone help! > > > > I have several times sent emails to the NAS site with a question but all > get back is that voluminous electronic all-purpose message which does NOT > answer my question. > > > > In the Crown Office precognition, Ref:AD14/27/157 Bernard Hughes and Ann > Hughes (his wife) are named along with a John Reid (18 yrs) and Robert > Gallacher (17 yrs) as being the accused of the crime of theft. Both the > Hughes were eventually transported. I do not wish to go to the expense of > purchasing the records if this is all the information contained in them > i.e. > what is summed up on the "single record details" page? Can anyone tell > me > if there is more detail available in records such as these if one actually > orders and purchases them. > > > > It's just a GENERAL question about what one gets when one purchases the > records. That electronic message I keep getting does not answer this > specific question. > > > > Kerri > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message