It may be best to wait until you have received some certificates before we go further. In your first message to this list you stated that your Uncle said that you had convicts or a convict in the family - perhaps they meant another family line! Just keep in mind that in the General Return of Convicts - 1837 this John was assigned to the AAC Co ( Australian Agricultural Company) at Port Stephens - very near Newcastle where his marriage was registered. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kim and Daz Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter I thought I did - however there is no record of a Thomas and fanny or francis having him - I am now wondering if, given he was 14 when he arrived if he "adopted" someone - as I am almost sure that the names he gave on his marriage certificate had to be given by him (1859) and he called his daughter francis and his son john called their first son Thomas so I thought it tied in with being his parents, but the dates I have for him tie into it being this john - whos father is listed on his records as john also- so confused and yet hopeful - perhaps when the marriage and death certificates finally arrive I will have some more answers - I truly hope this John is him though as I am very intrigued by him - no matter how bad he was!