Kerri & Listers, The item was posted in error, possibly an unintended keystroke. It was not intended for the list and I apologise sincerely for any who I have offended. Peter Strauss -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-convicts-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2008 1:11 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 Today's Topics: 1. Re: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 (Ralph & Kay Herron) 2. Chain Migration by Convicts (Clare Stapleton) 3. Re: FW: Dave & Jim (kerri) 4. LAKE (christene) 5. Re: LAKE (Lesley Uebel) 6. Re: LAKE (Leanne) 7. Re: LAKE (Leanne) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:56:31 +1000 From: "Ralph & Kay Herron" <rkherron@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201c91d51$e4b34480$b900a8c0@herron3010a252> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julie, In my tree I have 3 convict brothers married 3 convict women, a sister of the brothers also married a convict and I am looking at the possibility of the father also marrying a convict. Fantastic stuff. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Query - # of convicts sent from same family (determinable?) > (Julie Gough) > 2. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) (kaye vernon) > 3. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) (Betty Keep) > 4. FW: Dave & Jim (Peter Strauss) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:33:03 +1000 (EST) > From: Julie Gough <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20080923073303.BTO61873@mirapoint-ms1.jcu.edu.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > hi listers > > I have been wondering about something and would value anyone > ideas/findings > about this. > > Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 > generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - > wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a > family was > sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at > least > another family member was also sent to Australia? > > I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little > about an > uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. > > To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent to > Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the > implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members > heading > to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are > already > here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single > person > search approach in ancestral research. > > Julie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:04:14 +1000 > From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006201c91cff$26e0ba70$74a22f50$@net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I found a family of brothers who came out as convicts one went to > Tasmania, > two to Victoria and one to NSW. Only in recent times,have the families > connected. To add to this,I found that they had left a sister behind in > England and she has descendents who have contacted me with a whole new > branch of the family tree. > I have not followed this line with any other branch of my family but you > have prompted me to consider the possibility. > Kaye Vernon > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.hrm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Gough > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 7:33 AM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > > hi listers > > I have been wondering about something and would value anyone > ideas/findings > about this. > > Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 > generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - > wouldn't it be > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:44:15 +1000 > From: "Betty Keep" <b.keep@tassie.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F82EEAAA35AD40F8A35C2DADA718EAF9@Notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Julie > I have often thought of all that you say in your email. I have a g g > grandfather whose father and uncle were already in Aus - in the Sydney > area > when he was convicted. My gg grandfather also had a wife and some family > prior to his conviction, but they never came to Aus and my convict > remarried > after he was free. (This is not our mutual rellies that I am talking > about!). > Cheers > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Gough" <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:33 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > > >> hi listers >> >> I have been wondering about something and would value anyone >> ideas/findings >> about this. >> >> Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 >> generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people >> here - >> wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a >> family was >> sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at >> least >> another family member was also sent to Australia? >> >> I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little >> about an >> uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. >> >> To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent >> to >> Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the >> implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members >> heading >> to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are >> already >> here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single >> person >> search approach in ancestral research. >> >> Julie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:27:44 +1000 > From: "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> > Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim > To: "List AUS Convicts" <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com>, "WILMA" > <williewombat@live.com.au>, "'Paula T Rieger'" <ptrieger@pdq.net>, > "Marty Rieger" <mcr@pdq.net> > Message-ID: <000e01c91d45$7d1e0c80$775a2580$@net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > From: colin strauss [mailto:cjs38@bigpond.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM > To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss > Parrett > Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > : Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > > > > > Dave & Jim > > > > > Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft > mechanics in Melbourne . > > One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with > nothing to do. > > Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' > Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a > buzz. > > You wanna try it?' > So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get > completely smashed. > The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. > > In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. > > Nothing! > > Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this > morning?' > > Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' > Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' > Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We > ought to do this more often.' > > ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' > 'What's that?' > > 'Have you farted yet?' > > 'No.' > > 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > ******************************************** > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Clare Stapleton <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [AUS-CON] Chain Migration by Convicts To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <550633.50642.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chain migration, where a "pioneer" goes ahead to check things out first, is a very common migration pattern. Geographers see this in both assisted and unassisted movements. I have one man who was followed a year later by his brother and parents.Many of our modern families move the same way. In fact the Australian migration schemes depend on those patterns to ease the culture shock of new arrivals. In fact the presence of family or fellow country communities dramaticly enhances success of the individual. Hats off to our convict ancestors who figured out how to make the system work for them! And while we are at it if you have Irish assisted immigrants besure to look at all the paperwork as they were lots of kids who officials noted were 'small' for their age-- i.e. their age was put up to make them qualify for assisted passage!Regards ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:09:45 +1000 From: "kerri" <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01c91de2$3bd885f0$b38991d0$@ferguson@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is this an error? I find it totally immature and offensive and am wondering how it got through. -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 4:28 PM To: List AUS Convicts; WILMA; 'Paula T Rieger'; Marty Rieger Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim From: colin strauss [mailto:cjs38@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss Parrett Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim : Fw: Dave & Jim Dave & Jim Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft mechanics in Melbourne . One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with nothing to do. Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a buzz. You wanna try it?' So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get completely smashed. The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. Nothing! Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this morning?' Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We ought to do this more often.' ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' 'What's that?' 'Have you farted yet?' 'No.' 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:52:18 +1000 From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1955D18C8F374AEB9EFC0B4490136444@Christene> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am trying to find entry to NSW for Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area 1825... Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. They had 3 children Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck can anyone help? Christene E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:00:22 +1000 From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJCEMPPJAA.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Christene A few months ago you wrote to this list - and I answered giving further information and corrections ""Listers My convict is Miles LAKE of the Earl Spencer 1813. Miles was transported from Nottingham A year later he was granted a ticket of leave to marry Jane Arthur in 1824 at Windsor. Janes father served in the 102nd Foot Regiment His sentence was life and he was aged 38 They married in St Andrews Windsor Christene"" Miles could not have received a Certificate of Freedom because he had been sentenced to Life. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of christene Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE I am trying to find entry to NSW for Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area 1825... Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. They had 3 children Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck can anyone help? Christene ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:07:55 +1000 From: "Leanne" <imstargazer@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <81E1D3DC76434233BA1F5444612C7AB9@user8915d90962> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original looks like he was taken into the orphan school in 1833 along with brother James and another child Thomas, who I assume is a brother as registration was not compulsory then he may have been not registered and possibly too young to be baptised yet, no sign of Sarah. Index to Orphan Schools www.records.nsw.gov.au Leanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:10:33 +1000 From: "Leanne" <imstargazer@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C4DB0AE9AC064BCBAF3D7C3BFF739D03@user8915d90962> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original from Colonial Secretary Correspondence www.records.nsw.gov.au I would contact Michelle Nichols at Hawkesbury City Library for help. LAKE, Miles. Per "Earl Spencer", 1813 1823 Jan Servant of Harriet Robinson; testimony as to his character for a ticket of leave (Reel 6026; 4/1715 pp.239-40) 1823 Jan 29 On list of persons who obtained tickets of leave during the last week (Reel 6039; 4/424 p.131) 1824 Nov 2 Re permission to marry at Windsor (Reel 6013; 4/3512 p.692) Leanne ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 ********************************************

Peter we all make mistakes sometimes in our life, thank you for your apologise. Glenys in West Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com>; <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] POSTED IN ERROR > Kerri & Listers, > > The item was posted in error, possibly an unintended keystroke. > > It was not intended for the list and I apologise sincerely for any who I > have offended. > > Peter Strauss > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > aus-convicts-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2008 1:11 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 (Ralph & Kay Herron) > 2. Chain Migration by Convicts (Clare Stapleton) > 3. Re: FW: Dave & Jim (kerri) > 4. LAKE (christene) > 5. Re: LAKE (Lesley Uebel) > 6. Re: LAKE (Leanne) > 7. Re: LAKE (Leanne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:56:31 +1000 > From: "Ralph & Kay Herron" <rkherron@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001201c91d51$e4b34480$b900a8c0@herron3010a252> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Julie, In my tree I have 3 convict brothers married 3 convict women, a > sister of the brothers also married a convict and I am looking at the > possibility of the father also marrying a convict. > Fantastic stuff. > > Kay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <aus-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:00 PM > Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Query - # of convicts sent from same family (determinable?) >> (Julie Gough) >> 2. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) (kaye vernon) >> 3. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) (Betty Keep) >> 4. FW: Dave & Jim (Peter Strauss) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:33:03 +1000 (EST) >> From: Julie Gough <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <20080923073303.BTO61873@mirapoint-ms1.jcu.edu.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> hi listers >> >> I have been wondering about something and would value anyone >> ideas/findings >> about this. >> >> Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 >> generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people >> here - >> wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a >> family was >> sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at >> least >> another family member was also sent to Australia? >> >> I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little >> about an >> uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. >> >> To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent >> to >> Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the >> implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members >> heading >> to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are >> already >> here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single >> person >> search approach in ancestral research. >> >> Julie >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:04:14 +1000 >> From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <006201c91cff$26e0ba70$74a22f50$@net.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I found a family of brothers who came out as convicts one went to >> Tasmania, >> two to Victoria and one to NSW. Only in recent times,have the families >> connected. To add to this,I found that they had left a sister behind in >> England and she has descendents who have contacted me with a whole new >> branch of the family tree. >> I have not followed this line with any other branch of my family but you >> have prompted me to consider the possibility. >> Kaye Vernon >> www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.hrm >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Gough >> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 7:33 AM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) >> >> hi listers >> >> I have been wondering about something and would value anyone >> ideas/findings >> about this. >> >> Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 >> generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people >> here - >> wouldn't it be >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:44:15 +1000 >> From: "Betty Keep" <b.keep@tassie.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <F82EEAAA35AD40F8A35C2DADA718EAF9@Notebook> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Julie >> I have often thought of all that you say in your email. I have a g g >> grandfather whose father and uncle were already in Aus - in the Sydney >> area >> when he was convicted. My gg grandfather also had a wife and some family >> prior to his conviction, but they never came to Aus and my convict >> remarried >> after he was free. (This is not our mutual rellies that I am talking >> about!). >> Cheers >> Betty >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Julie Gough" <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:33 AM >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family >> (determinable?) >> >> >>> hi listers >>> >>> I have been wondering about something and would value anyone >>> ideas/findings >>> about this. >>> >>> Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 >>> generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people >>> here - >>> wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a >>> family was >>> sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at >>> least >>> another family member was also sent to Australia? >>> >>> I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little >>> about an >>> uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. >>> >>> To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent >>> to >>> Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the >>> implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members >>> heading >>> to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are >>> already >>> here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single >>> person >>> search approach in ancestral research. >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 >> 4:08 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:27:44 +1000 >> From: "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> >> Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim >> To: "List AUS Convicts" <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com>, "WILMA" >> <williewombat@live.com.au>, "'Paula T Rieger'" <ptrieger@pdq.net>, >> "Marty Rieger" <mcr@pdq.net> >> Message-ID: <000e01c91d45$7d1e0c80$775a2580$@net.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> >> >> From: colin strauss [mailto:cjs38@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM >> To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss >> Parrett >> Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> : Fw: Dave & Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave & Jim >> >> >> >> >> Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft >> mechanics in Melbourne . >> >> One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with >> nothing to do. >> >> Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' >> Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a >> buzz. >> >> You wanna try it?' >> So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get >> completely smashed. >> The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. >> >> In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. >> >> Nothing! >> >> Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this >> morning?' >> >> Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' >> Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' >> Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We >> ought to do this more often.' >> >> ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' >> 'What's that?' >> >> 'Have you farted yet?' >> >> 'No.' >> >> 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _____ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 >> 4:08 PM >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body > >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 >> ******************************************** >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:37:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Clare Stapleton <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [AUS-CON] Chain Migration by Convicts > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <550633.50642.qm@web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Chain migration, where a "pioneer" goes ahead to check things out first, > is > a very common migration pattern. Geographers see this in both assisted and > unassisted movements. I have one man who was followed a year later by his > brother and parents.Many of our modern families move the same way. In > fact > the Australian migration schemes depend on those patterns to ease the > culture shock of new arrivals. In fact the presence of family or fellow > country communities dramaticly enhances success of the individual. Hats > off > to our convict ancestors who figured out how to make the system work for > them! And while we are at it if you have Irish assisted immigrants besure > to look at all the paperwork as they were lots of kids who officials noted > were 'small' for their age-- i.e. their age was put up to make them > qualify > for assisted passage!Regards > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:09:45 +1000 > From: "kerri" <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002f01c91de2$3bd885f0$b38991d0$@ferguson@bigpond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is this an error? I find it totally immature and offensive and am > wondering > how it got through. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 4:28 PM > To: List AUS Convicts; WILMA; 'Paula T Rieger'; Marty Rieger > Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim > > > > > > From: colin strauss [mailto:cjs38@bigpond.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM > To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss > Parrett > Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > : Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > > > > > Dave & Jim > > > > > Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft > mechanics in Melbourne . > > One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with > nothing to do. > > Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' > Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a > buzz. > > You wanna try it?' > So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get > completely smashed. > The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. > > In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. > > Nothing! > > Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this > morning?' > > Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' > Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' > Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We > ought to do this more often.' > > ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' > 'What's that?' > > 'Have you farted yet?' > > 'No.' > > 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:52:18 +1000 > From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> > Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1955D18C8F374AEB9EFC0B4490136444@Christene> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I am trying to find entry to NSW for > Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area > 1825... > Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. > They had 3 children > Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times > but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 > I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck > can anyone help? > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10760e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:00:22 +1000 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJCEMPPJAA.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Christene > > A few months ago you wrote to this list - and I answered giving further > information and corrections > > > ""Listers > My convict is Miles LAKE of the Earl Spencer 1813. > Miles was transported from Nottingham > A year later he was granted a ticket of leave to marry Jane Arthur > in 1824 at Windsor. Janes father served in the 102nd Foot Regiment > His sentence was life and he was aged 38 > They married in St Andrews Windsor > Christene"" > > > Miles could not have received a Certificate of Freedom because he had been > sentenced to Life. > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of christene > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE > > > I am trying to find entry to NSW for > Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area > 1825... > Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. > They had 3 children > Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times > but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 > I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck > can anyone help? > Christene > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:07:55 +1000 > From: "Leanne" <imstargazer@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <81E1D3DC76434233BA1F5444612C7AB9@user8915d90962> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > looks like he was taken into the orphan school in 1833 along with brother > James and another child Thomas, who I assume is a brother as registration > was not compulsory then he may have been not registered and possibly too > young to be baptised yet, no sign of Sarah. > Index to Orphan Schools > www.records.nsw.gov.au > Leanne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:10:33 +1000 > From: "Leanne" <imstargazer@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] LAKE > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C4DB0AE9AC064BCBAF3D7C3BFF739D03@user8915d90962> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > from Colonial Secretary Correspondence > > www.records.nsw.gov.au > > I would contact Michelle Nichols at Hawkesbury City Library for help. > > > > > > LAKE, Miles. Per "Earl Spencer", 1813 > > 1823 Jan > Servant of Harriet Robinson; testimony as to his character for a > ticket > > of leave (Reel 6026; 4/1715 pp.239-40) > > 1823 Jan 29 > On list of persons who obtained tickets of leave during the last week > (Reel 6039; 4/424 p.131) > > 1824 Nov 2 > Re permission to marry at Windsor (Reel 6013; 4/3512 p.692) > > > > Leanne > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 > ******************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >