Hi Phil, You might try the website http://www.historyaustralia.org.au/, built by Scott Brown, who just happens to be a professional genealogist in Melbourne. He is/was available at ozgenie@historyaustralia.org.au. I have not looked at his site in a while so not sure if it will help with Robert Winters or not. BUT Scott may be able to help with Melbourne history. He contributes here on occasion. Not sure how much other research you have done, but if you have NOT gotten copies of birth death & marriage certificates from Vic/NSW Authorities, I would suggest that you do so. Since 1856, those finicky bureaucrats insisted on tons of neat info like parents names, ages, occupations, birthplaces, sometimes arrival ships, & years in Colony etc. Most of that info does NOT get into computerized records. I would go after Robert and Caroline's marriage Certificate, (It is actually in NSW (home of the bride??) it is Record No 1871-1305) and also Robert's NSW death Certificate. (I don't have a CD that can get that number since my records stop in 1905- BUT many local libraries in Aust have the Aust Vital Records Index available. It is searchable for BDMs for all the available old pioneers), and also ADA MARY (not May) WINTERS birth which is record No 1881-16349). I could not find any Robt Winters related records in Victoria. A word of warning NOT ALL RECORDS ARE IN THERE. I have a GGGrandfather who we know was born in 1861 (father took care of sheep) in Sale Victoria, & his birth is not recorded, but his marriage certificate says he was born there.. Also the 1828 Census, does not record any of my Dodds family, although, we know that GGGGrandfather James Dodds in 1825 married wife Mary (1815 born free daughter of my only two convicts!!) & son James III (b.1826), were all on their land grant property in Singleton/Hunter river then. Lesley is right about the 1820's free settlers. My James Dodds and his brother arrived in Sydney from Scotland in 1822, & Robyn is right about how difficult it is to track early soldiers & free settlers. You may have a tough time tracking Robert, BUT if you establish that his parents were two of the first settlers in Melbourne, it might be just as good as having convicts. I appreciate the Tennant Creek weather report. Sorry I can't send some of my rain. We need it too. Having seen a sunset over Uluru, I understand what you are going through. but 43!! World record is 57+ (Algeria 1922, & Death Valley California in 1913 -a few hundred miles from me in SF), you still have a way to go. Happy hunting. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra & Phil West" <sandrawest@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > Lesley > > My Grandmother was Ada May Winters born 1881 in Temora NSW to Robert > Winters > and Caroline (nee Bates b 1848, Bethnalgreen, London) who arrived on the > Beejapore in 14 May 1857, I believe in Sydney. Caroline recorded Ada > May's > birth and states Robert (no middle name) was born in Melbourne in 1839 and > he died in Sydney 18 Jan 1913. Robert was a gold miner and they were > apparently married in Beechworth, Victoria. > > That, and a photo and a family myth he came from Ireland, is all I've got. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated after two seemingly wrong tracks. > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel > Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 8:03 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > Phil, > > > There were a lot of free settlers who arrived in the late 1820's and after > that. > You have not provided sufficient information to be able to assist. > > I cannot find a child born named Robert Winter (Winters, Wynter, Wynter) > to > anyone in the records in that time frame. > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil > West > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:32 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > > Lesley > > If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being > born of free non-convict parents? > > Phil > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi The rego numcer for the 1913 death in NSW is 10440/1913 purchasble on line at: www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/IndexSearch?form=IndexingSearch&SessionID good luck Robyn in Wodonga ----- Original Message ----- From: "John SBC" <doddssanford@sbcglobal.net> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > Hi Phil, > You might try the website http://www.historyaustralia.org.au/, built by > Scott Brown, who just happens to be a professional genealogist in > Melbourne. > He is/was available at ozgenie@historyaustralia.org.au. > I have not looked at his site in a while so not sure if it will help with > Robert Winters or not. BUT Scott may be able to help with Melbourne > history. > He contributes here on occasion. > > Not sure how much other research you have done, but if you have NOT gotten > copies of birth death & marriage certificates from Vic/NSW Authorities, I > would suggest that you do so. Since 1856, those finicky bureaucrats > insisted > on tons of neat info like parents names, ages, occupations, birthplaces, > sometimes arrival ships, & years in Colony etc. Most of that info does NOT > get into computerized records. > I would go after Robert and Caroline's marriage Certificate, (It is > actually in NSW (home of the bride??) it is Record No 1871-1305) > and also Robert's NSW death Certificate. (I don't have a CD that can get > that number since my records stop in 1905- BUT many local libraries in > Aust > have the Aust Vital Records Index available. It is searchable for BDMs > for > all the available old pioneers), > and also ADA MARY (not May) WINTERS birth which is record No 1881-16349). > I could not find any Robt Winters related records in Victoria. > > A word of warning NOT ALL RECORDS ARE IN THERE. I have a GGGrandfather who > we know was born in 1861 (father took care of sheep) in Sale Victoria, & > his > birth is not recorded, but his marriage certificate says he was born > there.. > Also the 1828 Census, does not record any of my Dodds family, although, we > know that GGGGrandfather James Dodds in 1825 married wife Mary (1815 born > free daughter of my only two convicts!!) & son James III (b.1826), were > all > on their land grant property in Singleton/Hunter river then. > Lesley is right about the 1820's free settlers. My James Dodds and his > brother arrived in Sydney from Scotland in 1822, & Robyn is right about > how > difficult it is to track early soldiers & free settlers. You may have a > tough time tracking Robert, BUT if you establish that his parents were two > of the first settlers in Melbourne, it might be just as good as having > convicts. > > > I appreciate the Tennant Creek weather report. Sorry I can't send some of > my > rain. We need it too. Having seen a sunset over Uluru, I understand what > you > are going through. but 43!! World record is 57+ (Algeria 1922, & Death > Valley California in 1913 -a few hundred miles from me in SF), you still > have a way to go. > > Happy hunting. > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra & Phil West" <sandrawest@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > >> Lesley >> >> My Grandmother was Ada May Winters born 1881 in Temora NSW to Robert >> Winters >> and Caroline (nee Bates b 1848, Bethnalgreen, London) who arrived on the >> Beejapore in 14 May 1857, I believe in Sydney. Caroline recorded Ada >> May's >> birth and states Robert (no middle name) was born in Melbourne in 1839 >> and >> he died in Sydney 18 Jan 1913. Robert was a gold miner and they were >> apparently married in Beechworth, Victoria. >> >> That, and a photo and a family myth he came from Ireland, is all I've >> got. >> >> Any suggestions would be appreciated after two seemingly wrong tracks. >> >> Phil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel >> Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 8:03 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS >> >> Phil, >> >> >> There were a lot of free settlers who arrived in the late 1820's and >> after >> that. >> You have not provided sufficient information to be able to assist. >> >> I cannot find a child born named Robert Winter (Winters, Wynter, Wynter) >> to >> anyone in the records in that time frame. >> >> regards >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil >> West >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:32 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS >> >> >> Lesley >> >> If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being >> born of free non-convict parents? >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >