Phil A very very VERY approximate answer is that in 1840 1 in 2 would have non convict parents in the entire Country. See previous posting on Convict Numbers- 10/2008 In 1840 the (non native) population in NSW (Qld-1859 & Vic-1851 did not exist as separate states at this time) was on the order of 200,000. At this time the number of convicts total transported in the previous 52 years was about 110,000. Many would have died & or also had children. (who were classified as born free.) Note that in 1839, 1 yr earlier, the population was ~175,000, In late 1835 (when Melbourne was founded) only 113,000 in the Country. In 1831 (pop over 75000) NSW began assisted immigration. It was filling up fast. so an accurate number would be hard to come by. If you could find an early History of Melbourne settlers, (Founders Batman & Fawkner separately came from Launceston TAS.- Google "History Melbourne Aust") you might be able to get a better estimate, but differentiating between free settlers and freed convicts (some of whom became servants or farm/sheep workers) would be hard. Given that Melbourne was a free pastoral settlement, as opposed to Sydney, or Hobart, the chances are no doubt higher that an 1839-41 Melbourne born resident would have free settler parents. By 1837, there were 350 people and 55,000 sheep in the Melbourne area. (http://museumvictoria.com.au/marvellous/early/index.asp) Melbourne didn't boom until the 1850s gold rush. John Dodds in rainy and cold San Francisco (for you lucky people in summery Aust.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra & Phil West" <sandrawest@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > Lesley > > If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being > born of free non-convict parents? > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel > Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 3:41 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > Hi Phil > > Perhaps it was not Robert Winter per "Fortune" and Mary Hurd/Herd, etc > alias > Davies per "Morley". A few years after their marriage in 1821, Robert was > up > in > Moreton Bay and Mary in the Factory. Robert obtained a Ticket of Leave in > 1839 > and I am pretty certain it for the Maitland area (NSW). It was not until > 1844 > that Robert obtained his Conditional Pardon. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil > West > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:42 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > > Hi all > > Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 > and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son > Robert born Melbourne 1839. > > Phil West > Tennant Creek > > - > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
JOhn, I have to agree that the numbers would be few but In my researach I have found a married couple who emigrated in 1842 to Port Phillip, and another batchelor who came from Scotland in 1840 married a settlers daughter in 1842.. Two early lines have convict connections and other early lines are descended from soldiers who accompanied the convicts and stayed. Thes are particularly hard to research and document and seem to be a field in which little extensive research has been published. So just looking at my own tree in which I have tracked the arrival of all my ancestors of the pre 1850 arrivals, two were descended from soldiers, two had convict fathers, 8 individuals were free settlers. This would indicate 30% convict background for my family tree. Accurate statistics would be impossible to acertain. regards Robyn in warm and wet Wodonga
John As you are kindly directing me to an early Australian website, I am reading Bill Bryson's "Made in America" on language shifts as the USA developed. I will follow up your suggestions though I must admit I was getting quite comfortable about having a convict in the family. Phil in Tennant Creek, 500km N Of Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Chris Sparling [c.sparling@sky.com] and it was 43 degrees Celsius today and we need rain -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John SBC Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2008 2:14 AM To: AUS-Convicts Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS Phil A very very VERY approximate answer is that in 1840 1 in 2 would have non convict parents in the entire Country. See previous posting on Convict Numbers- 10/2008 In 1840 the (non native) population in NSW (Qld-1859 & Vic-1851 did not exist as separate states at this time) was on the order of 200,000. At this time the number of convicts total transported in the previous 52 years was about 110,000. Many would have died & or also had children. (who were classified as born free.) Note that in 1839, 1 yr earlier, the population was ~175,000, In late 1835 (when Melbourne was founded) only 113,000 in the Country. In 1831 (pop over 75000) NSW began assisted immigration. It was filling up fast. so an accurate number would be hard to come by. If you could find an early History of Melbourne settlers, (Founders Batman & Fawkner separately came from Launceston TAS.- Google "History Melbourne Aust") you might be able to get a better estimate, but differentiating between free settlers and freed convicts (some of whom became servants or farm/sheep workers) would be hard. Given that Melbourne was a free pastoral settlement, as opposed to Sydney, or Hobart, the chances are no doubt higher that an 1839-41 Melbourne born resident would have free settler parents. By 1837, there were 350 people and 55,000 sheep in the Melbourne area. (http://museumvictoria.com.au/marvellous/early/index.asp) Melbourne didn't boom until the 1850s gold rush. John Dodds in rainy and cold San Francisco (for you lucky people in summery Aust.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra & Phil West" <sandrawest@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > Lesley > > If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being > born of free non-convict parents? > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel > Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 3:41 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > Hi Phil > > Perhaps it was not Robert Winter per "Fortune" and Mary Hurd/Herd, etc > alias > Davies per "Morley". A few years after their marriage in 1821, Robert was > up > in > Moreton Bay and Mary in the Factory. Robert obtained a Ticket of Leave in > 1839 > and I am pretty certain it for the Maitland area (NSW). It was not until > 1844 > that Robert obtained his Conditional Pardon. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil > West > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:42 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > > Hi all > > Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 > and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son > Robert born Melbourne 1839. > > Phil West > Tennant Creek > > - > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message