Hi I am copying this message received on the Lancashire List in case anyone has any interest in any of the convicts named in the extract from the Manchester Times (October 1828). The convicts are: Andrew Liddell, John Edwards, John Collins and Robert Thomson (see below). Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Manchester" <[email protected]> Cc: "Lancsgen" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [LAN] Manchester Times October 1828 issue 2 Quarter Sessions Tuesday > The Manchester Times > Friday, October 24th 1828 > > Salford Michaelmas Sessions > > Tuesday: > > Andrew LIDDELL, John EDWARDS, John COLLINS and Robert THOMSON, were > charged with picking the pocket of a farmer names HULTON, of twenty three > sovereigns and a half, at Turton fair, on the 4th of September. > Dr BROWN stated the case, and called > Mr HULTON - I was in Turton fair about half-past eleven o'clock on the 4th > September. I had twenty three sovereigns and a half in a bag, in my > left-hand breeches pocket. My nephew Edward CHARNLEY, was with me. There > were seven or eight persons pushing about in the crowd. The prisoner, > LIDDELL, struck me with the back of his hand on the breast, saying "make > way." I then felt THOMSON's hand in my pocket, and missed my money > immediately. COLLINS was then in the crowd with three or four others. > They were pushing amongst the crowd. As soon as I could speak, I said > "mind the man with the cut in his face," (THOMSON). The four prisoners > and three or four others then went away. I pursued them as well as I > could. LIDDELL got on a horse. The others were on foot. I followed them > to a fold in the fair. LIDDELL then got off his horse, and they all went > together in a body behind a cart. I there saw them giving something to > one another out of their pockets, and one man went rou! > nd the corner of a building and disappeared. I stood beside the horse > from which LIDDELL had dismounted, The three other prisoners then passed > on one side. LIDDELL came up to the horse, and I asked him if it was on > sale. He said, yes sir, and I said, I'll take both you and your horse. He > said it was not he that had taken my money. I had not said anything about > money at that time. My nephew came up, and I sent him for a constable. > Jesse MORTON came and took him. After he was taken, I pursued the others. > I was looking for them for more than two hours. I at length found them > coming out of the fair. I met EDWARDS and THOMSON together. I met COLLINS > in less than half an hour afterwards. He was alone at Mr WOODS public > house, in the midst of the fair. They were delivered to the constable. I > am certain they are the men. > Cross-examined by Mr COLTMAN for COLLINS - The fair was pretty full. I was > present when COLLINS was taken up and searched. There were no sovereigns > found upon him. I went with the constable into a room where he was. > Cross-examined by Mr BRANDT for LIDDELL - It was about half-past eleven > that I lost my money. I did not call out that I had lost my money. The > breath was almost knocked out of me. I said mind the man with the cut > face. I am a farmer. I have been in the printing buisness. I have been in > Lancaster, but not for stealing. I never lost sight of the men until they > went behind the cart. LIDDELL was searched. There was some silver found > upon him. > By the Chairman - EDWARDS was pushing and making way in the crowd. I did > not see him do anything particular. > Edward CHARNLEY - I am nephew of the last witness. I was with him at > Turton fair. LIDDELL came up and pushed him on the breast. He pushed me > sideways. I said uncle, have they taken anything from you, for he just > favours a pickpocket. He said, take notice of the man with the marked > face. I did not notice any others but LIDDELL and THOMSON. When I saw > LIDDELL in custody, I knew him to be the same man that had pushed my > uncle. > Cross-examined by Mr COLTMAN - I did not see COLLINS until he appeared > before the magistrate. > Thomas THRELFALL - I was at Turton fair. I saw all the prisoners there > about half-past twelve, except LIDDELL. There were five or six others > with him. I took particular notice of them. I saw them together an hour > and a half. I was present when Thomson was taken. Mr HULTON immediately > identified him. > Jesse MORTON - I am constable of Ainsworth. I was at Turton fair, and was > present when EDWARDS and THOMSON were taken. > Cross-examined - LIDDELL said he came from Liverpool. He was a furniture > broker, and came over on business. He said he bought the horse from one Mr > EDWARDS, of Shaw's Brow, Liverpool, and had come over to sell it at Turton > fair. > This being the case for the prosecution, Mr BRANDT, in behalf of LIDDELL, > called > Peter COLLIER - I live at Pendleton. LIDDELL lived there formerly. He kept > a shop opposite Leaf Square. I knew him for five years. He was a furniture > broker, and removed to Liverpool, where he carried on the same business. > He had the character of an honest man. > Samuel JENKINSON - I have known LIDDELL two years. He always had a good > character, and paid his way. > Thomas ROYLANCE - I have known LIDDELL three or four years. I kept a small > shop next door to him for 12 months. > The Chairman having summed up the evidence, the jury, after a moment's > consultation, found all the prisoners guilty. > In answer to the inquiries of the chairman, Mr BARRETT, the constable of > Bolton, stated that he had received numerous complaints of robberies at > Turton fair. > The Chairman in passing sentence observed, that it was a painful duty > which the court had to perform in a case like this. The prisoners had been > convicted upon evidence which was quite sufficient to justify the verdict > of the jury. From that evidence, it appeared that a body of seven or > eight men had come from a distance to attend a fair for the purpose of > committing robberies. It was the bounden duty of the court, a duty from > which they dared not, and would not shrink, to take care that they (the > prisoners) should not have an opportunity of committing any further > robberies in this country for some time to come. It appeared that COLLINS > had been convicted at the sessions in July, 1825, for stealing from the > person, and was imprisoned for two years in Lancaster Castle. EDWARDS had > also been convicted under the name of Jacob HUGHES, and imprisoned three > months. Of LIDDELL and THOMSON there were no previous account. He should > therefore make a distinction in their sentence! > s. The sentence upon COLLINS was, that he be transported for life, and > upon each of the other three prisoners, that they be severally transported > for fourteen years. > > > The rest of the sessions for tuesday will follow in another email. > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >