Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

Joy, While you didn't give any clue as to possible dates you were interested in, your mention of census and musters probably indicates someone in the colony in early times. NSW BDM index on-line has death of a Luke RALPH aged 47, reference V18541774 41A/1854 and the index on the CD (which gives a little more information as regards where an event occurred) gives the detail that it is a Church of England burial from St. John's, Parramatta. The 1854 refers to the year of death. 1774 refers to the number in the church register. 41A is the volume of the church register. At a rough guess this particular entry and time period will be on NSW State Records film 5016 (give or take one film number either way) Registers pre 1856 (when civil registration began) are available in most family history centres, many municipal libraries, etc. They are free to view. You did not state where in Australia you are, but your relevant state library, archives office and/or genealogical society should have copies of these basic research films. Pre 1856 there were only baptism and burial records (rather than birth and death records where a certificate was issued). Burial records at this time will not give parent names or any details re spouse, children, etc. I hope this is helpful. Alison :-) Sydney Oz ---------------------------------------- joy mcguire wrote: > Hello to the list--- > > > > I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information > from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born > in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding > his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this > - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to > research. > > > > >

There is an entry for him in the BDMs V1808944 4/1808 RALPH LUKE LUKE MARY therefore Luke was the son of Luke and Mary. Luke Ralph came free to the colony on the Minorca in 1801 and you will probably find he arrived as part of the military. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joy mcguire Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] How to? Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

Hi again Luke Ralph senior is mentioned on the Redcoats web site at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/ RALPH Luke Enlisted England 1801 Private arrived Transferred Veteran Company 24/4/1810 The reference to the Minorca can be found in the 1828 NSW Census The marriage of Luke junior may be this one - also found in the NSW BDMs V18294713 3B/1829 RALPH LUKE MORRISON JANE CC Buy Now V1829929 13/1829 RALPH LUKE MORISON JANE CC regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joy mcguire Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] How to? Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol

Hi there Regarding the Ancestry site could you advise me if you need to be a paid member in order to research details on the site you mentioned. Thanks Judith Rowe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol hello! ---- just opened your mail -- The Ralph family have been a stumbling block for quite some time - I was aware from early census etc. of Mary's arrival on the Minorca 1801 with 3 children --- and you've now presented me with additional names --- I found a Thomas at the Mitchell Library last week who returned to England 1820 on the "Little Mary" with his parents Mary and Luke's permission. So with your news of John Ralph so far that is 2 out of 3. My addiction to family history is only 2 years under way === a novice I know so there is a lot to learn e.g. your mention of "Worldconnect" etc. Many thanks for your help Cheers Joy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message