I do have my family tree out there, like many of us, and have found that I'd rather have my correct tree 'out there' to balance all the other inaccurate trees. I realise that many trees are on-line that were prepared quite a while back, and their owners are no longer around to emend them, but that's while I'd prefer to make mine available on-line (and it's updated regularly). I consider my family tree not to be mine, but to belong to everyone in that tree, and I share it freely as such. I've spent considerable amounts finding out about the details of some ancestors, but for others a distant relative has shared everything they have with me and i've not spent a cent. I'd hate to think I was secreting my family history and that others out there are reinventing that same wheel. If it weren't for those I've happily stumbled across (some on this mailing list) my tree would be a far less interesting one. Family history research can be expensive - I now have happy collaborations with common descendents on a few lines, where we take turns when money or time need to be spent. While i'm yet to have a negative experience, whenever I worry about handing over my hard-earned information, I think about all the wonderful things others have given to me without a second thought. cheers matt

Yes "colaborate with" and "given"  to are some of your key words. I too have given much information ,Photos Certificates and received  help many times and  It was  truelly appreciated.Sharing between genies is very common and we appreciate it. But when it is put out there and is incorrect and they will not correct it ........... HAPPY HUNTING, Faye --- On Mon, 1/9/08, Matthew Hall <[email protected]> wrote: From: Matthew Hall <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS To: [email protected] Received: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 12:00 AM I do have my family tree out there, like many of us, and have found that I'd rather have my correct tree 'out there' to balance all the other inaccurate trees. I realise that many trees are on-line that were prepared quite a while back, and their owners are no longer around to emend them, but that's while I'd prefer to make mine available on-line (and it's updated regularly). I consider my family tree not to be mine, but to belong to everyone in that tree, and I share it freely as such. I've spent considerable amounts finding out about the details of some ancestors, but for others a distant relative has shared everything they have with me and i've not spent a cent. I'd hate to think I was secreting my family history and that others out there are reinventing that same wheel. If it weren't for those I've happily stumbled across (some on this mailing list) my tree would be a far less interesting one. Family history research can be expensive - I now have happy collaborations with common descendents on a few lines, where we take turns when money or time need to be spent. While i'm yet to have a negative experience, whenever I worry about handing over my hard-earned information, I think about all the wonderful things others have given to me without a second thought. cheers matt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset

I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems to be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as birth/marriage/death records are concerned. I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so far as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a John McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a John McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there is sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for her, other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I cant view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay for something that might not even be relevant. If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just disappear without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so much appreciate it. Cheers Kim

Kim Where did you get his birth and parent details from? There is no record on Scotlands People of the birth of a John McCarter (or McArthur) to Thomas and Fanny (or Frances) - in Dundee or elsewhere in Scotland between 1800 and 1854. This doesn't necessarily mean that your details are wrong. The pre-1855 birth and marriage records are sourced from the parish records of the (established) Church of Scotland. Pre-1855 Roman Catholic and other Church records are not on the Scotland's People site - yet. They are promised. I couldn't find a record for a marriage for Thomas and Fanny (Frances) either. "Fanny" is not a very Scottish usage. It tends to appear more in England. Numbers of McCarters in the 1841 Scotland Census were born in Ireland. So it could be that your Thomas and Fanny were Irish born, and married in Ireland? Was your John a Catholic? Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rhoda Can you tell me if there is a record on 'Scotlands People' for Mary Anne Campbell b: 8.6.1818 in Glasgow to Hugh & Mary? Hugh b: abt 1776 in Campbelltown, Argyll & Mary Graham b: abt 17?? & married abt 1800-1805. I know this is off topic for this site but couldn't resist the chance to follow through on the Scotland string. Hope you can help Appreciate all input Bev in Brissie

Hi Kim I have just sent you a copy of a page of references to John McCarter alias McCarthur that I found in the Scottish National archives (NAS). I think this is the same John that Jan mentioned in one of her emails. However I see that this John McCarter tried in Edinburgh in 1832 was the son of John McCarthur, joiner. He was aged 14 and born in Edinburgh. (In a later document he is referred to as son of Hugh McCarthur, joiner). He was found guilty in the High Court of Edinburgh on 12 March 1832 of theft, habit and repute and sentenced to 14 years transportation. Best wishes Rhoda

Dear Kim, I suppose you've purchased the relevant certificates from BDM NSW which will give you further information. I see that John and Isabella were married in Newcastle in 1859. Their children were born there, Francis in 1859 and John in 1861 with John passing away in 1928 in Newcastle as well. If you work your way back you should find what really happened for yourself without relying on the stories from your Uncles. The marrige cerificate, for example, should give you the birthplace of the bride and groom as well as the name and occupation of their fathers. Hope this helps, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kim, A little more for you..... John Mc Carter, son of Thomas and Fanny, died in Newcastle in 1904. Isabella Mc Carter married George Pearce in Newcastle in 1905. Then, in 1919. Isabella Pearce passed away in Newcastle. Her parents were recorded as Alexander and Mary. All these certificates are available from NSW bdm and will give you lots more to go on. Best wishes, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

NSW State Records lists John McCarter, alias McArthur, who received a Certificate of Freedom on 13-05-1848. He arrived in NSW on Hercules in 1832. I'm not sure why you think this can't be him. There were other 10 year old convicts, assuming the birthyear you have is correct. A photocopy of this can be purchased online. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >