Hello I am searching for information on a Robert Poplin who came to Australia on the convict ship the Royal admiral in 1792... any information would be greatly appreciated!! best regards michelle In a message dated 9/30/2008 4:15:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: John Jones (Elizabeth Roberts) 2. Re: FW: Convicts- Info on Newnhams to VDL (Sue Olsen) 3. The Convict ships (Kerri Ferguson) 4. Re: The Convict ships (Annette Cooke) 5. Re: The Convict ships (Jan Daly) 6. Re: The Convict ships (Kerri Ferguson) 7. Re: Isabella Mc/MacLymond/t (CandROverson) 8. Re: The Convict ships (Lesley Uebel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:41:18 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Roberts" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John Jones To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Louise, What a job trying to research a John Jones! There were 59 John Jones in the 1828 census. Re the children of the 1st fleet Edward Jones there is a John Jones, Born Colony aged 32 in the 1828 census who is a shipwright, married with children in Erskine Street Sydney, who is possibly the son of Edward Jones, 1st Fleet ; he is the only John Jones BC of an appropriate age in the Census that I could see. Also I would think it unlikely that the son of a first fleet Convict who had land at one stage, would end up a tenant farmer in 1842. Good Luck with your very difficult research. Regards Elizabeth Roberts 7. Edward JONES and Martha BEDDINGFIELD First Fleeters ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:02:45 +1000 From: "louise" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-CON] Edward JONES and Martha BEDDINGFIELD First Fleeters Hi I am trying to find if anyone is researching this family as I am trying to see if there son John JONES is the same one as my John JONES who married Margaret HIGGINS? Still on my brickwall with John JONES and his wife Margaret HIGGINS. I am hoping that someone maybe able to steer me in the correct direction if I have mixed family information, as I have done in the past while trying to locate the correct John and Margaret JONES. Information I have to date John JONES and Margaret HIGGINS married 1842 Presbyterian in Parish: Denbie; Hunter District; Maitland; Morpeth; Paterson; Singleton. No details given for John or Margaret as to if free/convict ship of arrival. Their issue Mary JONES born 1844 in East Bulwarra and her father listed as a Tennant Farmer Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England Margaret JONES born 1845 Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England I have found that a Edward JONES of the First Fleet married a Martha BEDDINGFIELD in 1788 and that they had the following issue Sarah JONES born/bapt 1794 John JONES born/bapt 1796/1798 Edward JONES born/bapt 1799 This John I thought maybe my John JONES who marries Margaret HIGGINS, as I found the above John's brother and sister married in Maitland, in the years 1843 and 1836. Further investigation showed that Edward JONES First Fleet died in 1842 aged 80/82 years in Sydney; Martha having predeceased him in 1817 aged 53 years. Also, that from 1825 till his death in 1842, Edward worked as a baker in Sydney. His sons would of worked with him as they didn't begin to marry till John 1842 (If he is my John JONES) although their sister already married in 1836; which in those times I assume the daughter would be married off early especially as her mother was dead (1817), and the boys left to help their father. My Mary JONES states her father's occupation was that of a Baker when she marries George WALBURN, (who was a great grand son of First Fleeter James WALBOURN and Sophia LEWIS). Perhaps another clue as both great grandfathers were First Fleeters and families probably knew each other. Many thanks Louise ******** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:33:35 +1000 From: "Sue Olsen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] FW: Convicts- Info on Newnhams to VDL To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Meaning ordering the certificates the old fashioned way... knew about the indexes online... Sue. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Wendy Lindsay <[email protected]>wrote: > Sue said > > > Tassy unfortunately as with queensland you have to do it the old > fashioned > > way unless you have a local library which holds the indexes to Births > > deaths > > The Qld BDM's are now online at > http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/829.htm > > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:33:47 +1000 From: "Kerri Ferguson" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships To: "AUS-CONVICTS" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:22:25 +1000 From: "Annette Cooke" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Kerry The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". If your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. It will answer all your questions. Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "AUS-CONVICTS" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:33 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships > > Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of > them > owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping > Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in > researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted > on the arrival musters as a matter of course? > > > > And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private > individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone > know > what the breakdown was? > > > > Kerri > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:23:55 +1000 From: "Jan Daly" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kerri Try to get hold of a copy of the book by Charles Bateson titled "The Convict Ships 1787-1868." There may be a copy in your local library. Apart from a comprehensive list of the ships, masters, number of convicts etc there is a great deal of information on the ownership of various ships and the difficulties of "outsourcing" (to use a modern term) particularly in the Second Fleet. A lot of the ships were privately owned and contracted to take the convicts to Sydney and other ports. Regards Jan Daly Descendant of eight convicts. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: 01 October 2008 06:34 To: AUS-CONVICTS Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:01:19 +1000 From: "Kerri Ferguson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Listers. Yes, I did see a copy of that book years ago but I wasn't interested in the ships themselves at the time. You have jogged my memory and I am on the way back to the Library! Cheers,Kerri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jan Daly Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 7:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Kerri Try to get hold of a copy of the book by Charles Bateson titled "The Convict Ships 1787-1868." There may be a copy in your local library. Apart from a comprehensive list of the ships, masters, number of convicts etc there is a great deal of information on the ownership of various ships and the difficulties of "outsourcing" (to use a modern term) particularly in the Second Fleet. A lot of the ships were privately owned and contracted to take the convicts to Sydney and other ports. Regards Jan Daly Descendant of eight convicts. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: 01 October 2008 06:34 To: AUS-CONVICTS Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:56:30 +0100 From: "CandROverson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Isabella Mc/MacLymond/t To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Kim McLymont (and variations) is a Scottish surname. The IGI has 2 Isabellas born in Scotland between 1820 and 1830, both in 1823. They were Isabella McClyment baptised 8 April 1823 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty. She was the daughter of Anthony McClyment and Annabella Clark. Issbell McClymont baptised 14 December 1823 in Maybole, Ayr. She was the daughter of William McClymont and Mary Munn. Rhoda ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:14:39 +1000 From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all Whilst the book is an excellent reference book, given the meaning of *definitive* the book certainly is not that as it has not included about 100 ships that carried convicts to Port Jackson alone. Although you can probably obtain a much overpriced second hand copy, you can obtain the CD version, or as suggested, borrow it from your library. The Historical Records of Australia is an excellent resource. eg In/Out: Inwards Date: 4 August 1802 Name of Ship: Perseus Master John Davison Build British Tons 362 Guns 8 Men 38 Where / When Built Stockton When & Where Registered : London Owners: Reeve & Green >From Whence: London Where Bound: China General Cargo: 3 trunks of cotton, 2 chests slops, 15 kegs lead, 5 barrels pitch, 5 barrels tar, 2 boxes arrowroot, 1 chest tea, 2 casks shot, parcel of ribbons, 4 bags corks, 1 trunk stockings, 2 boxes hats, 4 cases butter, 240 gall. of rum, 200 gall. of wine, 300lbs coffee, 400 lbs sugar, 6 kegs tripe, 30 head of horned cattle, 4 sheep, 3 goats, 20 casks beef and pork, 1 box spy glasses. Another great reference is the Lloyds Register of ships at; http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annette Cooke Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Hi Kerry The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". If your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. It will answer all your questions. Annette ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 295 ******************************************** **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)