Hi Julie, Many years ago I transcribed those leaving the colony between 1803 to 1811. There was a man (or different men with the same name) who was/were in and out of the colony between 1805 and 1811. In those days you had to advertise the fact that you were leaving (on a temporary eg Whaling or sealing trips, or a permanent basis) in the Sydney Gazette in order to settle debts etc. I won't comment on the answer Scott Brown gave you as it is virtually word for word from the book "The Second Fleet" by Michael Flynn when Michael researched all the people who came out as part of the 2nd Fleet. Michael also stated that this John Scott never returned from his voyage in 1795 - but this may not be true. It could be that Michael Flynn was aware of the John Scott who was in the colony from at least 1803 but could not identify him correctly and nor can I. When writing his journal John Scott may have approximated the years in the colony - just rounded them up or down to 35 years or was he referring to an approximate number of years in the colony minus the years away sailing. He does not appear in the Musters as he was probably not around when they were taken. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie Gough Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] seeking info: John Scott arrived 1806/7/8 died 1843 Dear Scott and Carol Many thanks for your help with identifying John Scott. I have a transcription of his journal where he states: "Friday Feb 12th 1841 [or could be 1842, years are slightly mixed up]: I have been in this country 35 years and have never experienced so much heat and dry weather, everything is parched for want of rain. Flies and other insects innumerable". so I do think he arrived in 1806 or 1807. His language/terminology and his skills seem naval or seaman in origin, and, by 1830 he was referred to as Old Scott, so may have been born c.1870.(?) Perhaps he is most likely to be (Thanks Scott): 4) John Scott, Convict arrived per the Duke of Portland in 1807 1) John Scott, Seaman arrived per an unidentified ship of the Second Fleet, left the colony on the Asia in 1795 [who perhaps returned to live in 1806/7]. I will look them up. Also wasn't there a John Scott on Norfolk Island? Thanks Carol also for this candidate below -who sounds very interesting but 1810 arrival sounds too late: Description: John Scott, one of 200 convicts transported on the Indian, July 1810 Sentence Details: Convicted at "The Agincourt" Court Martial for a term of life. Vessel: Indian (Ship) Date of Departure: July 1810 Place of Arrival: New South Wales Source: Australian Joint Copying Project Microfilm Roll 87, Class and Piece Number HO11/2, Page Number 23 (13) Creator: Great Britain. Home Office Publisher: State Library of Queensland Digital ID: ctr-087433 also - perhaps he wasn't a convict to start with but one of those historical anomaly 'swimmer' arrivals... Julie

hi Lesley Thanks very much for this update and references. I am finding it very fascinating and confusing to track this John Scott, I think John Scott himself does mean that in 1841 he had been out of UK 35 years, and this might mean in and out of different places across Australia, sealing etc since his original c.1807 arrival - I will slowly try to figure out if I can identify him as the Duke of Portland convict Scott, or not, and report back. all the best Julie ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:07:08 +1100 >From: [email protected] (on behalf of "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]>) >Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] seeking info: John Scott arrived 1806/7/8 died 1843 >To: <[email protected]> > >Hi Julie, > >Many years ago I transcribed those leaving the colony between 1803 to 1811. >There was a man (or different men with the same name) who was/were in and out of >the colony between 1805 and 1811. In those days you had to advertise the fact >that you were leaving (on a temporary eg Whaling or sealing trips, or a >permanent basis) in the Sydney Gazette in order to settle debts etc. > > >I won't comment on the answer Scott Brown gave you as it is virtually word for >word from the book "The Second Fleet" by Michael Flynn when Michael researched >all the people who came out as part of the 2nd Fleet. Michael also stated that >this John Scott never returned from his voyage in 1795 - but this may not be >true. It could be that Michael Flynn was aware of the John Scott who was in the >colony from at least 1803 but could not identify him correctly and nor can I. > > >When writing his journal John Scott may have approximated the years in the >colony - just rounded them up or down to 35 years or was he referring to an >approximate number of years in the colony minus the years away sailing. > > >He does not appear in the Musters as he was probably not around when they were >taken. > > >Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:[email protected] > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie Gough >Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:48 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] seeking info: John Scott arrived 1806/7/8 died >1843 > > >Dear Scott and Carol > >Many thanks for your help with identifying John Scott. > >I have a transcription of his journal where he states: > >"Friday Feb 12th 1841 [or could be 1842, years are slightly mixed up]: I have >been in this country 35 years and have never experienced so much heat and dry >weather, everything is parched for want of rain. Flies and other insects >innumerable". > >so I do think he arrived in 1806 or 1807. > >His language/terminology and his skills seem naval or seaman in origin, >and, >by 1830 he was referred to as Old Scott, so may have been born c.1870.(?) > >Perhaps he is most likely to be (Thanks Scott): > > 4) John Scott, Convict arrived per the Duke of Portland in 1807 > >1) John Scott, Seaman arrived per an unidentified ship of the Second Fleet, left > the colony on the Asia in 1795 [who perhaps returned to live in 1806/7]. > >I will look them up. > >Also wasn't there a John Scott on Norfolk Island? > >Thanks Carol also for this candidate below -who sounds very interesting but >1810 arrival sounds too late: > >Description: John Scott, one of 200 convicts transported on the Indian, July >1810 Sentence Details: Convicted at "The Agincourt" Court Martial for a term of >life. Vessel: Indian (Ship) Date of Departure: July 1810 >Place of Arrival: New South Wales >Source: Australian Joint Copying Project Microfilm Roll 87, Class and Piece >Number HO11/2, Page Number 23 (13) Creator: Great Britain. Home Office >Publisher: State Library of Queensland Digital ID: ctr-087433 > >also - perhaps he wasn't a convict to start with but one of those historical >anomaly 'swimmer' arrivals... > >Julie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message