Hi Lesley, A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was married to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > Hi Lorraine > > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years of > age > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a > Protestant > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His > native > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North East > of > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. He > was > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life sentence > for > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. > > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional Pardon > and he > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a Ticket > of > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. F. > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie of > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) > > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas > Munro > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on the > 11 > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following people > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney in > 1833. > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 children > of > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart on > the Sir > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:[email protected] > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > Heuston > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > Hi Lesley, > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey > 1831.His wife > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in 1839. > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of > which I > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . > Thankyou > for your help Lorraine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Paul Hope you don't think I'm being nosey and butting in, but I've just found this on Pallot's Marriage Index: Jas. BRUCE to Sarah BURNEY Both residents of Poplar parish Married 1822 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney Sarah made her 'mark', but it appears James signed his name. Happy to do other look-ups if you would like. Best wishes Margaret (Warwickshire, England) On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Lesley, > > A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the > blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my > grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was > married > to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as > Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have > been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) > James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. > Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > Hi Lorraine > > > > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years of > > age > > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a > > Protestant > > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His > > native > > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North East > > of > > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. He > > was > > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life sentence > > for > > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. > > > > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional Pardon > > and he > > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a Ticket > > of > > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. F. > > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie of > > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) > > > > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas > > Munro > > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on > the > > 11 > > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following > people > > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney > in > > 1833. > > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 children > > of > > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart on > > the Sir > > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > > mailto:[email protected] > > CLAIM A CONVICT > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > > Heuston > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > > > Hi Lesley, > > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London > > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. > > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey > > 1831.His wife > > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in 1839. > > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of > > which I > > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . > > Thankyou > > for your help Lorraine > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lorraine Following on from Margaret's message I also check the year of marriage for James and Sarah yesterday on the IGI and found the marriage listed JAMES BRUCE Marriages: Spouse: SARAH ANN BURNEY Family Marriage: 28 AUG 1822 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce Hi Lesley, A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was married to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine.