Hi Cathy >ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of Governor Hunter's >Women >Convict Assignment Report 1798 < Can they do that legally ? and get away with it. In a way I'm pleased this message cropped up as I found my Hubbys 4th Great Grandmother listed. Mary BRIEN-BRYAN-BRIAN Bellona 1793. Even though I already had the information it is nice to have it confirmed. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Sarah EVANS and Neptune > Hi Trish > Thank you so much > You have pointed out that ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of > Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798 with out any > permission and placed on their server > > What other copy write material has been gleamed of the net and CDs and > placed on their server > > Cathy Dunn

Cathy wrote: >> Hi Trish >> Thank you so much >> You have pointed out that ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of >> Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798 with out any >> permission and placed on their server >> What other copy write material has been gleamed of the net and CDs and >> placed on their server >> Cathy Dunn Mmmmm, Interesting question Cathy. I'm not sure of the answer, others might have an opinion and I'll be interested to read. Generally on 'computer' matters I have sometimes seen people who think that every email you have ever sent over the internet, and/or every VOIP verbal communication too perhaps, may be being held by America for possible intelligence purposes [for they control the satellites it all passes via]. If so, I suspect they may possibly delete my emails eventually as unintelligent ... but could be a long time getting around to doing it? Another MASSIVE 'copyright' question has always been "who has any legal software .. ?'. Blush? Microsoft once even made the offer, I believe, of "Tell us what illegal MS software you are running and well send you a legal copy" - with proviso that the source was dobbed in. Others may seem to think that the answer to any legal matter is how big and expensive a lawyer you can hire(?). And keep on hiring .. if the matter grew protracted. Is that not so? Regards, John (in Sydney)

Very Interesting question. WHO owns the copyright? Is it now a public domain document? Copyright has been internationally standardized, lasting between fifty to a hundred years from the author's death according to Wikipedia. Copyrights originated with the Statue of Anne in 1710 (in England) with protection for 14 years. so Gov Hunter's document went public in 1812. Ancestry.com also has the 1828 Census etc etc etc Finally Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. If they post it for us to use, don't argue. They have lots of lawyers on their staff who I'm sure investigate if it is legal. John Dodds in springy San Francisco. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Governor Hunter's Women Convict Report 1798 > > > Cathy wrote: > >>> Hi Trish > >>> Thank you so much >>> You have pointed out that ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of >>> Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798 with out any >>> permission and placed on their server > >>> What other copy write material has been gleamed of the net and CDs and >>> placed on their server > >>> Cathy Dunn > > > > > > > Mmmmm, > > > Interesting question Cathy. > > I'm not sure of the answer, others might have an opinion and I'll be > interested to read. > > Generally on 'computer' matters I have sometimes seen people who think > that > every email you have ever sent over the internet, and/or every VOIP verbal > communication too perhaps, may be being held by America for possible > intelligence purposes [for they control the satellites it all passes via]. > > If so, I suspect they may possibly delete my emails eventually as > unintelligent ... but could be a long time getting around to doing it? > > Another MASSIVE 'copyright' question has always been "who has any legal > software .. ?'. > > Blush? > > Microsoft once even made the offer, I believe, of "Tell us what illegal MS > software you are running and well send you a legal copy" - with proviso > that the source was dobbed in. > > Others may seem to think that the answer to any legal matter is how big > and > expensive a lawyer you can hire(?). > > And keep on hiring .. if the matter grew protracted. > > Is that not so? > > > Regards, > > > > > John > > (in Sydney) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wish Gov. Hunter's Report WAS online.  It isn't.  What Cathy Dunn was pointing out is, that it was HER report on the report which has been appropriated and put online. If Gov. Hunter's Assignment Report IS available online, can you post where we can access it please? Thanks. Chris --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John SBC <doddssanford@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: John SBC <doddssanford@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Governor Hunter's Women Convict Report 1798 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 3:20 PM Very Interesting question. WHO owns the copyright? Is it now a public domain document? Copyright has been internationally standardized, lasting between fifty to a hundred years from the author's death according to Wikipedia. Copyrights originated with the Statue of Anne in 1710 (in England) with protection for 14 years. so Gov Hunter's document went public in 1812. Ancestry.com also has the 1828 Census etc etc etc Finally Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. If they post it for us to use, don't argue. They have lots of lawyers on their staff who I'm sure investigate if it is legal. John Dodds in springy San Francisco. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Governor Hunter's Women Convict Report 1798 > > > Cathy wrote: > >>> Hi Trish > >>> Thank you so much >>> You have pointed out that ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of >>> Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798 with out any >>> permission and placed on their server > >>> What other copy write material has been gleamed of the net and CDs and >>> placed on their server > >>> Cathy Dunn > > > > > > > Mmmmm, > > > Interesting question Cathy. > > I'm not sure of the answer, others might have an opinion and I'll be > interested to read. > > Generally on 'computer' matters I have sometimes seen people who think > that > every email you have ever sent over the internet, and/or every VOIP verbal > communication too perhaps, may be being held by America for possible > intelligence purposes [for they control the satellites it all passes via]. > > If so, I suspect they may possibly delete my emails eventually as > unintelligent ... but could be a long time getting around to doing it? > > Another MASSIVE 'copyright' question has always been "who has any legal > software .. ?'. > > Blush? > > Microsoft once even made the offer, I believe, of "Tell us what illegal MS > software you are running and well send you a legal copy" - with proviso > that the source was dobbed in. > > Others may seem to think that the answer to any legal matter is how big > and > expensive a lawyer you can hire(?). > > And keep on hiring .. if the matter grew protracted. > > Is that not so? > > > Regards, > > > > > John > > (in Sydney) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 10/4/09, John SBC <doddssanford@sbcglobal.net> wrote: <snip> >> Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. > If they post it for us to use, don't argue. <s> >John Dodds >in springy San Francisco. G'day John, I'm not really 'arguing', I don't think. I sympathise if Cathy feels sad that they seem to have taken her work if she thinks they should not have. But, in general, once things are on the internet (as I think ALL government info should aim to be) all you'll mainly hear from me is more cheers. I believe in information liberation for the most part. I think it 'wants' to be free (if information has a soul). We might not have revoluted against the motherland like the American colonists did; but nevertheless most Australians generally support freedom too, I believe. I also think that everything that happens in California sooner or later happens (is copied) here too. As we are your greatest friend and admirer. Not sure what all that means, but hope if means something. Cheers, John in Sydney >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> >To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:19 AM >Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Governor Hunter's Women Convict Report 1798 > > >> >> >> Cathy wrote: >> >>>> Hi Trish >> >>>> Thank you so much >>>> You have pointed out that ancestry.com.au has published the pdf >copy of >>>> Governor Hunter's Women Convict Assignment Report 1798 with >out any >>>> permission and placed on their server >> >>>> What other copy write material has been gleamed of the net and CDs >and >>>> placed on their server >> >>>> Cathy Dunn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mmmmm, >> >> >> Interesting question Cathy. >> >> I'm not sure of the answer, others might have an opinion and I'll >be >> interested to read. >> >> Generally on 'computer' matters I have sometimes seen people who >think >> that >> every email you have ever sent over the internet, and/or every VOIP verbal >> communication too perhaps, may be being held by America for possible >> intelligence purposes [for they control the satellites it all passes via]. >> >> If so, I suspect they may possibly delete my emails eventually as >> unintelligent ... but could be a long time getting around to doing it? >> >> Another MASSIVE 'copyright' question has always been "who has >any legal >> software .. ?'. >> >> Blush? >> >> Microsoft once even made the offer, I believe, of "Tell us what >illegal MS >> software you are running and well send you a legal copy" - with >proviso >> that the source was dobbed in. >> >> Others may seem to think that the answer to any legal matter is how big >> and >> expensive a lawyer you can hire(?). >> >> And keep on hiring .. if the matter grew protracted. >> >> Is that not so? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> John >> >> (in Sydney) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi to all on list, I went to a talk years ago on convicts and was told that the British Government had lifted all copyright restrictions on convict records and shipping records to Australia. Can anyone confirm that this is the case? Most of these records are freely available in Australia via the Australian Joint Copying Project films held by the National Library in Canberra. The films are available on inter library loan through local libraries. There are 8 or 9 Guides to the AJCP which details the records held. See the NLA website for details http://www.nla.gov.au/collect/ajcp.html Of course copyright is still held by persons who have compiled their own books and CDs from these records. Carol Wood

Hi Margaret No they cant - steps have been taken to remove the pdf off ancestry Also Mary BRIEN-BRYAN-BRIAN Bellona 1793 connects with my Husband's John Small family Cathy Dunn ---- Hi Cathy >ancestry.com.au has published the pdf copy of Governor Hunter's >Women >Convict Assignment Report 1798 < Can they do that legally ? and get away with it. In a way I'm pleased this message cropped up as I found my Hubbys 4th Great Grandmother listed. Mary BRIEN-BRYAN-BRIAN Bellona 1793. Even though I already had the information it is nice to have it confirmed. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia