Hi Lesley, Thanks for that reply. It makes sense. Do you know what eventually happened to the James Hogan who came on the Hive? Do you have anything that rules out the convict, James Hogan, who came on the John Barry in 1836? He was assigned to Mr Montefiore in Bathurst district. He was tried at Lancashire Quarter Sessions. I did not consider him because I suppose I thought my James Hogan must have been Irish because I know for sure that Bridget was Irish. There is another James Hogan who came on the Blackwell, and I have details of his tickets of passport from the State Records Index. They were approved by the bench of majestrates Yass. What is a ticket of Passport used for? Do you know whether it would be any use my going to the Mitchell library and looking up their List of convicts of Bathurst 1845-1855? Thank you again for your help, Linda --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: From: Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Subject: RE: [AUS-CON] James Hogan lived Carcoar/Bathurst/Orange ~1840 - ~1885 To: linda_necia@yahoo.com.au, aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Received: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 3:05 PM Hi Linda The problem I can see is that the James Hogan of the "Hive" didn't seek permission to marry Bridget in 1846. By that time he was only in receipt of  a Ticket of Leave and whilst that gave him a certain amount of freedom, he was still classed as a convict and required permission to marry. This man did request to marry someone else in 1845, in Bathurst, and it was rejected - quote " Hogan on arrival, stated himself to be married and affords no proof of his wife's death" Regards      Lesley Uebel      mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au      CLAIM A CONVICT      http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html         -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Linda Combe Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:30 AM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] James Hogan lived Carcoar/Bathurst/Orange ~1840 - ~1885 I am a new subscriber to this list. I have an ancestor about whom I know very little, who may have been a convict. I do not have a concrete reason to suspect he was a convict except the fact that so little information was passed on about him that a big secret seems likely. Can anyone please help with more information about my ancestor or a guide to how to find it? This is what I do know: James Hogan was my gg grandfather. He married Bridget Collins at the old St Michael's Catholic Church in Bathurst on 11/8/1846. He was listed as from Frederick's Valley on the marriage registration. Their first child Ellen Hogan was born on 12/9/1847 and baptised in the parish of Carcoar on 20/2/1848 by M. McGrath. James Hogan was listed as a Labourer and his abode as Wellington. This is conjecture: I found at least 3 James Hogan's arriving on convict transports. The one I favour is the one who arrived on the ill-fated Hive (2) in 1835. (The ship ran ashore south of Jervis Bay on 10/12/1835 and 248 prisoners and crew had to be taken to Sydney on 3 other boats.) >From the General Return of Convicts 1837 page 302 I found: #12654 James Hogan age 21 Ship Hive 1835. His master was Charles Booth of Bathurst district Page 148 in the Original. >From the Peter Mayberry website, I found that this man was tried at Limerick on 10/3/1835 and sentenced to life for the crime of Stealing Sheep. His native place was Tipperary. he was born in 1813 and married with 1 child (another reason for secrecy if his marriage to Bridget was bigamous?) I looked at his ticket of leave 44/816 granted 18/3/1844 and it said "Allowed to remain in district of Carcoar". There is a very faint note on the side of this  saying - Altered to Bathurst 21/12/1846. The reason I chose this James Hogan was that the place he was sent to work and subsequent place of Ticket of Leave agree with my known facts re him. I would be grateful for any assistance at all, Thank you Linda

Hi Linda, There were actually about 12 men who arrived as convicts with that name. No, I don't know what happened to the James Hogan of the "Hive" although he was recommended for a Conditional Pardon in 1847. The one who arrived on the "John Barry" gave his native place as Lancaster and as he was tried in 1835 and received a 7 year sentence he would have been free by 1842. He was about 16 years of age when he arrived in 1836. Remember being tried in England does not mean that the person was English. There were two James Hogans on the "Backwell" both giving their native place as Ireland although neither had received a CP by 1846. A Passport was just a temporary approval for a convict to move from the district noted on a Ticket of Leave. Have you found his Death Certificate as yet? Does it give an indication of how long he had been in the colony? Does it state from where he originated? Consider that he could have arrived free. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Linda Combe [mailto:linda_necia@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:27 PM To: Lesley Uebel; aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-CON] James Hogan lived Carcoar/Bathurst/Orange ~1840 - ~1885 Hi Lesley, Thanks for that reply. It makes sense. Do you know what eventually happened to the James Hogan who came on the Hive? Do you have anything that rules out the convict, James Hogan, who came on the John Barry in 1836? He was assigned to Mr Montefiore in Bathurst district. He was tried at Lancashire Quarter Sessions. I did not consider him because I suppose I thought my James Hogan must have been Irish because I know for sure that Bridget was Irish. There is another James Hogan who came on the Blackwell, and I have details of his tickets of passport from the State Records Index. They were approved by the bench of majestrates Yass. What is a ticket of Passport used for? Do you know whether it would be any use my going to the Mitchell library and looking up their List of convicts of Bathurst 1845-1855? Thank you again for your help, Linda --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: