--- On Wed, 11/2/09, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi Lesley, Thank you for your reply. I have not got the death certificate because I am not sure when he died. A cousin got lots of transcriptions from Joy Murren and, as far as I remember, the one we think is our James Hogan who died in 1885 (registration 7220) had no more information on it than died Bathurst aged 72 years, which is what it says on the index. We think this is our one because Bridget his wife had been living with and having children with William Dawson since around 1866 in the Gosling Creek area of Orange. They were registered as Hogan and/or Dawson with mother's name only. One transcription even mentioned that she was married but separated and living with another man. They made it legal in 1889 and both died that year. My cousin thought they had waited till James died to marry (but why an extra 4 years?) It is only recently that I have wondered if he was a convict. Before that I had assumed he came free. I will email my cousin and try and get more information. I will as Rosemary suggests get birth certificate for one of the children born after compulsory registration in 1856. Thanks again, Linda From: Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Subject: RE: [AUS-CON] James Hogan lived Carcoar/Bathurst/Orange ~1840 - ~1885 To: "Linda Combe" <linda_necia@yahoo.com.au>, aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Received: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 5:00 PM Hi Linda, There were actually about 12 men who arrived as convicts with that name. No, I don't know what happened to the James Hogan of the "Hive" although he was recommended for a Conditional Pardon in 1847. The one who arrived on the "John Barry" gave his native place as Lancaster and as he was tried in 1835 and received a 7 year sentence he would have been free by 1842. He was about 16 years of age when he arrived in 1836.   Remember being tried in England does not mean that the person was English. There were two James Hogans on the "Backwell" both giving their native place as Ireland although neither had received a CP by 1846. A Passport was just a temporary approval for a convict to move from the district noted on a Ticket of Leave. Have you found his Death Certificate as yet?  Does it give an indication of how long he had been in the colony?  Does it state from where he originated?   Consider that he could have arrived free. regards      Lesley Uebel      mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au      CLAIM A CONVICT      http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html       -----Original Message----- From: Linda Combe [mailto:linda_necia@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:27 PM To: Lesley Uebel; aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-CON] James Hogan lived Carcoar/Bathurst/Orange ~1840 - ~1885 Hi Lesley, Thanks for that reply. It makes sense. Do you know what eventually happened to the James Hogan who came on the Hive? Do you have anything that rules out the convict, James Hogan, who came on the John Barry in 1836? He was assigned to Mr Montefiore in Bathurst district. He was tried at Lancashire Quarter Sessions. I did not consider him because I suppose I thought my James Hogan must have been Irish because I know for sure that Bridget was Irish. There is another James Hogan who came on the Blackwell, and I have details of his tickets of passport from the State Records Index. They were approved by the bench of majestrates Yass. What is a ticket of Passport used for? Do you know whether it would be any use my going to the Mitchell library and looking up their List of convicts of Bathurst 1845-1855? Thank you again for your help, Linda --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: