Hi All, I would really appreciate some guidance on this as I am not sure where to look next.I am looking for place of birth and parents names This is the information I have to date.- Arrived Earl St Vincent 1820, 7 years, larceny. Tried at Suffolk Quarter Sessions.- Married to Jane GATTEN 9/9/1845- Fathered 4 children with Jane GATTEN between 1845 - 1852 in NSW and SA.- Death Certificate puts place of birth ESSEX. No parents named.- Age on death certificate makes likely year of birth 1792 (likely as he died in mid January)- Was definitely married before being sent to Australia. I got this information from the Christian Israelite Church, as he converted to this religion whilst i Australia. If I plug the year and name and Country into the Mormons Family Search site I get 1 hit which matches all these details. Except it puts his Christening place as Sudbury, Suffolk. I have done some investigating and found that there is a Sudbury in Essex also. So that makes me wonder as to how accurate the place of death on the death certificate is. Adding weight to this is the fact that Robert was also tried in Suffolk Quarter Sessions. However I don't want to make the assumption that this is his birth record. I would really like to find names of his English family on other records. Can anyone suggest where I might look next? Your help is greatly appreciated. Lisa _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $50 http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Hello Lisa Although the town of Sudbury is in Suffolk it is on the Suffolk/Essex border and it may be that Robert Cason was born just south-west of the town, and therefore just within Essex. I am not aware of a Sudbury in Essex, but you may be right. There is, for example, yet another Sudbury in North West London Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > > Hi All, I would really appreciate some guidance on this as I am not sure > where to look next.I am looking for place of birth and parents names This > is the information I have to date.- Arrived Earl St Vincent 1820, 7 years, > larceny. Tried at Suffolk Quarter Sessions.- Married to Jane GATTEN > 9/9/1845- Fathered 4 children with Jane GATTEN between 1845 - 1852 in NSW > and SA.- Death Certificate puts place of birth ESSEX. No parents named.- > Age on death certificate makes likely year of birth 1792 (likely as he > died in mid January)- Was definitely married before being sent to > Australia. I got this information from the Christian Israelite Church, as > he converted to this religion whilst i Australia. If I plug the year and > name and Country into the Mormons Family Search site I get 1 hit which > matches all these details. Except it puts his Christening place as > Sudbury, Suffolk. I have done some investigating and found that there is > a Sudbury in Essex also. So that makes me wonder as ! > to how accurate the place of death on the death certificate is. Adding > weight to this is the fact that Robert was also tried in Suffolk Quarter > Sessions. However I don't want to make the assumption that this is his > birth record. I would really like to find names of his English family on > other records. Can anyone suggest where I might look next? > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > Lisa > _________________________________________________________________ > It's simple! Sell your car for just $50 > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Lisa, I have had a bit of a look around and your Robert Cason, at least the one christened in Sudbury around 1790 is listed on a Rootsweb World Connect site called  Causton one name study (apparently Cason is a variation of Causton) see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.causton/ The marriage you talk of before his conviction is there - his wife was Mary Ann Grimwood and there was one Daughter Sarah Ann Cason born 1817. Robert's parents married in Diss, Norfolk which is on Northern border of Suffolk with Norfolk on 21/11/1786 (from IGI) Samuel Cason married Ann Warren (Waring on Robert's christening). Maybe you could email the people on the site and tell them that there is a convict in the family. All the best Linda --- On Mon, 16/2/09, CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> wrote: From: CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Received: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 12:13 PM Hello Lisa Although the town of Sudbury is in Suffolk it is on the Suffolk/Essex border and it may be that Robert Cason was born just south-west of the town, and therefore just within Essex. I am not aware of a Sudbury in Essex, but you may be right. There is, for example, yet another Sudbury in North West London Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > > Hi All, I would really appreciate some guidance on this as I am not sure > where to look next.I am looking for place of birth and parents names This > is the information I have to date.- Arrived Earl St Vincent 1820, 7 years, > larceny. Tried at Suffolk Quarter Sessions.- Married to Jane GATTEN > 9/9/1845- Fathered 4 children with Jane GATTEN between 1845 - 1852 in NSW > and SA.- Death Certificate puts place of birth ESSEX. No parents named.- > Age on death certificate makes likely year of birth 1792 (likely as he > died in mid January)- Was definitely married before being sent to > Australia. I got this information from the Christian Israelite Church, as > he converted to this religion whilst i Australia. If I plug the year and > name and Country into the Mormons Family Search site I get 1 hit which > matches all these details. Except it puts his Christening place as > Sudbury, Suffolk. I have done some investigating and found that there is > a Sudbury in Essex also. So that makes me wonder as ! > to how accurate the place of death on the death certificate is. Adding > weight to this is the fact that Robert was also tried in Suffolk Quarter > Sessions. However I don't want to make the assumption that this is his > birth record. I would really like to find names of his English family on > other records. Can anyone suggest where I might look next? > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > Lisa > _________________________________________________________________ > It's simple! Sell your car for just $50 > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, there is a marriage in NSW to a Robert CASON (note the misspelling) and Jane GATTEN in 1845. I had not been able to find a Marriage to a Robert CATON in England.. and given that he was only 18 years of age when he was convicted he would not have been able to marry. under 21. Plus he was a convict... they had to have permission to marry. Below is the references from NSW. V1845369 30B/1845 CASON ROBERT GATTON JANE CV The CV at the end represents the following information about the Church CHURCH OF ENGLAND, Berrima, Bong Bong, Sutton Forest, All Saints (co Camden) Do you have this Marriage certificate.. I note that you have the date of marriage as 9/9/1845 Perhaps the marriage certificate would have been more reliable than a death certificate as he had to have provided that information himself. I would write to the church in Sudbury in Essex.. ask for a lookup of the christening details. I hope this helps you... Sue.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Olsen" <sueolsensueolsen@gmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 >> Below is the references from NSW. > > V1845369 30B/1845 CASON ROBERT GATTON JANE > CV > > The CV at the end represents the following information about the > Church > > CHURCH OF ENGLAND, Berrima, Bong Bong, Sutton Forest, All Saints (co > Camden) > > Do you have this Marriage certificate.. I note that you have the > date of > marriage as 9/9/1845 > Perhaps the marriage certificate would have been more reliable than > a death > certificate as he had to have provided that information himself. Hi Lisa Pre 1857 NSW baptism burial & marriage records give very little additional info . If you havent got copy the church records are on film in many libraries . You can look up for just cost of your time . If you cant access the films get a transcription Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Hi Lisa, I have a Collins Road Atlas of Britain which shows three Sudbury listings: Sudbury on the A134 motorway south of Bury St. Edmonds in Suffolk Sudbury just off the A50 in Derbyshire, North west from Burton on Trent Sudbury also listed as part of the Greater London area not far from Wembley Essex as I understand it from the map, is presently north east of the greater London area, but may well have ecompassed a bigger portion of London and surrounds back in those times. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > Hi Lisa, > > I have a Collins Road Atlas of Britain which shows three Sudbury listings: > > Sudbury on the A134 motorway south of Bury St. Edmonds in Suffolk > > Sudbury just off the A50 in Derbyshire, North west from Burton on Trent > > Sudbury also listed as part of the Greater London area not far from > Wembley > > Essex as I understand it from the map, is presently north east of the > greater London area, but may well have ecompassed a bigger portion of > London > and surrounds back in those times. > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:10 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lyn and Lisa Sudbury in North West London is about a couple of miles away from where I live. It is, and was, in Middlesex - not Essex. Middlesex is no longer officially a county; it disappeared with the creation of Greater London in 1965. but its inhabitants still use it as the name of the area where they live. It's almost certain that Robert Cason born 1792 was born in the environs of Sudbury, Suffolk. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > Hi Lisa, > > I have a Collins Road Atlas of Britain which shows three Sudbury listings: > > Sudbury on the A134 motorway south of Bury St. Edmonds in Suffolk > > Sudbury just off the A50 in Derbyshire, North west from Burton on Trent > > Sudbury also listed as part of the Greater London area not far from > Wembley > > Essex as I understand it from the map, is presently north east of the > greater London area, but may well have ecompassed a bigger portion of > London > and surrounds back in those times. > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:10 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI Lisa, I've just tried to look up when Sudbury was part of Essex or when it changed to Suffolk. It seems the area as always been across the border between the two counties. Parts of what may be called Sudbury were in Essex and parts were in Suffolk. As late as 1989 parts of this area were being transferred between local government agencies. Information concerning registration districts on FreeBMD shows the area covering Suffolk and Essex. Is it quite possible that Robert was born in Essex and still considered himself from Sudbury. Many of my ancestors came from Huntingdonshire which was absorbed into Cambridgeshire so I know the feeling well. The Court quarter sessions would cover the area of the crime regardless of where he lived but in any case would certainly have covered all the area around Sudbury, Essex or Sufolk. There are certainly a number of CASON families in the area and I've come across a CATTON (2 Ts) in the same area. Good luck with your research, you could be looking for Smith or Brown Ted Drake NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Wright" <lisachicken@hotmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert CASON b.1792 > > Hi All, I would really appreciate some guidance on this as I am not sure > where to look next.I am looking for place of birth and parents names This > is the information I have to date.- Arrived Earl St Vincent 1820, 7 years, > larceny. Tried at Suffolk Quarter Sessions.- Married to Jane GATTEN > 9/9/1845- Fathered 4 children with Jane GATTEN between 1845 - 1852 in NSW > and SA.- Death Certificate puts place of birth ESSEX. No parents named.- > Age on death certificate makes likely year of birth 1792 (likely as he > died in mid January)- Was definitely married before being sent to > Australia. I got this information from the Christian Israelite Church, as > he converted to this religion whilst i Australia. If I plug the year and > name and Country into the Mormons Family Search site I get 1 hit which > matches all these details. Except it puts his Christening place as > Sudbury, Suffolk. I have done some investigating and found that there is > a Sudbury in Essex also. So that makes me wonder as ! > > to how accurate the place of death on the death certificate is. Adding > weight to this is the fact that Robert was also tried in Suffolk Quarter > Sessions. However I don't want to make the assumption that this is his > birth record. I would really like to find names of his English family on > other records. Can anyone suggest where I might look next? > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > Lisa > _________________________________________________________________ > It's simple! Sell your car for just $50 > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3853 (20090214) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >