I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be off the air. I wonder can anyone help? Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Bill Moyle

Can't help with the pedigree but at that time the spelling was very much down to whoever happened to be writing the record so it could easily be different on every official document. Kind regards Maddy -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Moyle Sent: 20 February 2009 01:51 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be off the air. I wonder can anyone help? Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Bill Moyle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill I have sent you off list of a little bit of info that I have on Mary & William along with their signatures. Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moyle" <moylebill@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES >I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be >off the air. I wonder can anyone help? > > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary > GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included > William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter > Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? > > Bill Moyle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moyle" <moylebill@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES Hi Bill >I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems >to be off the air. Been into it a few time today with no problem . They do occasionally take this site down for maintenance but usually for a few weekend hours http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births > > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and > Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children > included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, > had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Hope you havent reinvented too many wheels............... William DOUGLAS is well documented and has been claimed 4 times in http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/ Info on him is in here http://firstfleet.uow.edu.au/index.html HTH Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Hi Bill The DOUGLAS/S spelling continues to vary to this day. My mother was a DOUGLASS and always had to say - with 2 esses at the end. But many of our family documents have both spellings. As to why William DOUGLASS (Coromandel 1804) who married Mary Ann CROSS starting using George is another quandry. To my knowledge there were no surviving male children of the first fleet William DOUGLAS/S. Best source for this is the Jurd association and the First Fleet Fellowship. Many of the DOUGLAS/S and CROSS descendants can be found in the Forgotten Valley Mailing List or the Cross Flud/Flood mailing list. Just to add to the mix, it would appear that William DOUGLAS/S (Coro 1804) Had a son to Ann PEAT, yet another William DOUGLASS b 10 Jun 1809 Pitt town, christened presbyterian, 2 Mar 1829 Portland Head. Ref NSW BDM 16 vol 162 A. There is a paper called the Douglas Contovery by Carol Baxter, I would be happy to email you a copy if you are interested please contact me off list. BFN OOROO Michelle ============== http://au.geocities.com/patientgenie/ On 20 Feb 2009 at 12:50, Bill Moyle wrote: > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary > GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children > included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had > a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? > > Bill Moyle