Hi Thanks Les for your help with Robert Lovelock. With my earlier question if convicts where able to marry, I was referring to a Thomas Howard who was transported on the Indian in 1810 with a life sentence but supposedly has married Ann Williams 1811, My Thomas Howard who married Mary Tobin in 1841 according to a family tree on rootsweb was the third child of Thomas and Ann, but I can't find any evidence that Thomas was their third child and now I am baffled how my Thomas came out to Australia and who his parents are.Any one with any clues? Please help. Also I find it puzzling that a life sentenced convict had permission to marry within twelve months of arriving in Australia. and his ticket of leave is 1814 and a pardon around 1818, does this mean that Thomas was still fulfilling his convict sentence after marriage, or when permission for marriage was granted you were set free? Thank you, Gav