many thanks Leslie -------Original Message------- From: Lesley Uebel Date: 17/04/2008 9:52:15 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John John Hi John William John arrived as a convict on board the "Albemarle" in 1791. His wife Mary Jenkins arrived on the "Royal Admiral" in 1792, also as a convict. Both have been claimed on my web site regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] John John Hello List does anyone have information about John John. He was the father of Elizabeth John who married James Roberts the son of William Roberts and Kezia Brown. I would like to know if John John was a convict or a free immigrant or soldier. Note.. I am unable to find him in the book Early Hawkesbury Settlers by Bobbie Hardie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

Hi Lynne, Re: James Bruce and Co please contact me off line. Max -------Original Message------- From: mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au Date: 31/07/2008 8:37:10 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] JAMES BRUCE Hi list and listers re James. To add to my entry and to tie up my ends (in knots) - our James BRUCE was born c 1874 in the Albury District and married Alice CRAWFORD c 1900. I believe they went on to the Ballarat area at some stage and then on to Tasmania. Their daughter, my Nanna, Sadie Muriel BRUCE, was born in 1903 in Albury, NSW. She married Ernest Main Luttrell FORD in 1850, (but I don't know if this was her only marriage) in Hobart, Tasmania. James' father was James BRUCE also. He married Harriet FENNELL in 1864 in Albury. It seems (guess) that James' father, yet again was James BRUCE. Thus we have the three generations of Jameseses. I come to a halt there when I find a James BRUCE who married in 1829 to a Maria CONNELL in Albury. Without spending heaps on certificates etc., it seems his father James was born c 1800 and not sure who mother was. so - Sadie Muriel BRUCE- b 1903 James BRUCE - b 1874 - m Harriet FENNELL James BRUCE - b 1823 - m Mary CONNELL James BRUCE - b c 1800s - m Mary or Maria 'someone'. Needs lot more research, but they don't appear connected to James BRUCE and Sarah BURNEY, of whom most entries are about, but it has been helpful and I most sincerely thank all who helped. Regards, Lynne in Tassie. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

Hi Julie If you check the Indent for the 'Susan' you will see that his native place was noted as Nottinghamshire. Whilst that does not necessarily mean he was born there, it usually is a pretty good indication Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Julie MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:49 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] William Green Is someone able to help find the place of birth of the following convict: William Green aged 14 who was sentenced to 7 years at Nottingham Quarter Sessions on 7th January 1835 for a crime (not detailed) committed in Nottngham and who was transported to New South Wales in 1835 on a ship named SUSAN I have a William Green born 1821 in Flintham, Nottingham who does not appear in any census and I wondered if he could be this person. Many thanks Julie

Tom You are correct. Andrew Hamilton Hume arrived in the colony as a free man with the position of Superintendant of Convicts. He originally embarked on the Guardian but after the sinking of this ship he transferred to the Lady juliana. Some of the notes I have regarding this man are 1782 - Enlisted in the Moira Regiment of Volunteers. He was cashiered in 1786 after being court-martialled over a duel with his commanding officer. After this he was employed as a Superintendent of Convicts on the Thames hulks at Woolwich until August 1789 when he embarked on the HMS Guardian bound for New South Wales. He was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana' at Table Bay following the Guardian's near sinking after striking an iceberg After the 'Guardian' sank, Hume was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana'. He transferred to Norfolk Island on the 'Surprise' in 1790 1792 - Superintendent of Convicts, Norfolk Island March 1793 - Returned to Sydney on the 'Kitty'. Here he was appointed as superintendent at Toongabbie April 1794 - Received a grant of 30 acres at Toongabbie August 1796 - Appeared in court on a charge of raping 11 year old Ann SMITH who had been employed as a servant in his household. Ann had arrived free in NSW with her convict mother on the First Fleet. He was acquitted of the charge after a two day trial March 1796 - Andrew was holding the position of Government Storekeeper at Parramatta 1800 - Dismissed from the position of Superintendent of Livestock by Governor KING 1811 - Received a grant of 100 acres at Appin He was born at Hillsborough, County Down, Ireland on 26 June 1862 to James and Isabella Hume. On 29 September 1796 he married Elizabeth More Kennedy at St John's Parramatta.They had five children being Hamilton, Isabella, John Kennedy, Andrew Hamilton and Francis Rawdon. Andrew Hamilton Hume died at home at "Glenrock" near Marulan on 23 September 1849 and was buried at St Saviour's Church at Bungonia, NSW. Scott Brown > Tom Element <telement@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Hi Christine > > I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father > of > Explorer > was a convict. > The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume > who > was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read > something incorrectly? > > Regards > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of christene > Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:53 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict > ancestorsonecould have? > > I have a few on my tree > Hamilton Hume father of Explorer > was a convict > John Taber was a teacher and started the > first private school in Sydney leaving a parcel of land > that he was given for the first Jewish church and school > and another was a poor Irish catholic farmer from Tyrone > James Mcgrath who had a run in with > the constabulary in 1827 and was sentenced to life in the colony > Not 1 of these were from *villainous families * all 3 were what we > in todays colloquialisms were *set up*..what ever the colony needed > was supplied one way or the other > I am sure when I go further I will find more > It would be interesting to have the time to just collect a convict and > bring him to modern time rather than just spending time on our own lines > Christene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 66 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list and listers re James. To add to my entry and to tie up my ends (in knots) - our James BRUCE was born c 1874 in the Albury District and married Alice CRAWFORD c 1900. I believe they went on to the Ballarat area at some stage and then on to Tasmania. Their daughter, my Nanna, Sadie Muriel BRUCE, was born in 1903 in Albury, NSW. She married Ernest Main Luttrell FORD in 1850, (but I don't know if this was her only marriage) in Hobart, Tasmania. James' father was James BRUCE also. He married Harriet FENNELL in 1864 in Albury. It seems (guess) that James' father, yet again was James BRUCE. Thus we have the three generations of Jameseses. I come to a halt there when I find a James BRUCE who married in 1829 to a Maria CONNELL in Albury. Without spending heaps on certificates etc., it seems his father James was born c 1800 and not sure who mother was. so - Sadie Muriel BRUCE- b 1903 James BRUCE - b 1874 - m Harriet FENNELL James BRUCE - b 1823 - m Mary CONNELL James BRUCE - b c 1800s - m Mary or Maria 'someone'. Needs lot more research, but they don't appear connected to James BRUCE and Sarah BURNEY, of whom most entries are about, but it has been helpful and I most sincerely thank all who helped. Regards, Lynne in Tassie.

The other interesting metric is how many generations ago (ie. How recent) were your convict ancestors. I have: 1. Elinor SHAW (Mother) (1914-) m.1939 Terence Joseph HIGGINS (1912-1994) 2. Cristine SAMIN (GrandMother) (1876-1974) m. Thomas Frederick SHAW (1874-1963) 3. Agnes Lavinia ROBERTS (G GrandMother) (1850-1941) m.1867 Henri SAMIN (1834-1886) 4. Agnes McMILLAN (GG GrandMother - Convict to Hobart in 1836) (1820-1877) 4. William ROBERTS (GG GrandFather - Convict to Hobart in 1828) (1803-1870) Now not only am I still alive (as of this morning), my mother is also alive and well. Cheers Darrell Higgins in Sydney -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Steer Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 3:23 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestors one could have? Julie Gough <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> writes: > Hello Listers, > > I was speaking with someone today who mentioned that they had 22 convict > ancestors. > > I have since been wondering what IS the most possible convict (direct line, > blood) ancestors that one person could have in Australia? > > ie: given timeframe span of convict arrivals across various states > and across generations of arrival and maximum number of generations within > the transportation period - c60 years = 4? generations? = how many potential > convicts could one have ? > > Does anyone have more than 22 convict ancestors? > > I have 12 convicts = on one side only of my family - plus 6 unknown ancestors > who were born during or prior to the early period of transportation in that same > family. > > Thanks for any #figures/conversation re: this. > Rather than generations of arrivals, I think the question is better considered in terms of how many early places in your tree could be filled by a convict. On my maternal grandmother's side I have 4 gggg-grandparents who I know were convicts. That leaves 12 gggg-gparents on that side who might have been convicts. So, four gparents x 16 would be 64 possible convicts at the sixth generation from me. My children, of course, could have twice as many convict ancestors as I. That said, I think it's unlikely that anyone would have so many. The early Australian communities were small and, at least in my family, people married into families close by. 5 out of 6 known convicts on my maternal gmother's side turn up twice in the tree. -- Martin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is someone able to help find the place of birth of the following convict: William Green aged 14 who was sentenced to 7 years at Nottingham Quarter Sessions on 7th January 1835 for a crime (not detailed) committed in Nottngham and who was transported to New South Wales in 1835 on a ship named SUSAN I have a William Green born 1821 in Flintham, Nottingham who does not appear in any census and I wondered if he could be this person. Many thanks Julie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1580 - Release Date: 29/07/2008 05:26

Hi Christine I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father of Explorer was a convict. The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume who was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read something incorrectly? Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of christene Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:53 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestorsonecould have? I have a few on my tree Hamilton Hume father of Explorer was a convict John Taber was a teacher and started the first private school in Sydney leaving a parcel of land that he was given for the first Jewish church and school and another was a poor Irish catholic farmer from Tyrone James Mcgrath who had a run in with the constabulary in 1827 and was sentenced to life in the colony Not 1 of these were from *villainous families * all 3 were what we in todays colloquialisms were *set up*..what ever the colony needed was supplied one way or the other I am sure when I go further I will find more It would be interesting to have the time to just collect a convict and bring him to modern time rather than just spending time on our own lines Christene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Julie Gough <julie.gough@jcu.edu.au> writes: > Hello Listers, > > I was speaking with someone today who mentioned that they had 22 convict > ancestors. > > I have since been wondering what IS the most possible convict (direct line, > blood) ancestors that one person could have in Australia? > > ie: given timeframe span of convict arrivals across various states > and across generations of arrival and maximum number of generations within > the transportation period - c60 years = 4? generations? = how many potential > convicts could one have ? > > Does anyone have more than 22 convict ancestors? > > I have 12 convicts = on one side only of my family - plus 6 unknown ancestors > who were born during or prior to the early period of transportation in that same > family. > > Thanks for any #figures/conversation re: this. > Rather than generations of arrivals, I think the question is better considered in terms of how many early places in your tree could be filled by a convict. On my maternal grandmother's side I have 4 gggg-grandparents who I know were convicts. That leaves 12 gggg-gparents on that side who might have been convicts. So, four gparents x 16 would be 64 possible convicts at the sixth generation from me. My children, of course, could have twice as many convict ancestors as I. That said, I think it's unlikely that anyone would have so many. The early Australian communities were small and, at least in my family, people married into families close by. 5 out of 6 known convicts on my maternal gmother's side turn up twice in the tree. -- Martin

Hi Lesley I have seen this entry thankyou for looking it up. did you also notice the enrty for a James Bruce married to Sarah Graham on the 4 aug 1822 at the same place .26 days apart 2 Sarah's (Graham & Burney) Thankfully I had the maiden name or it could have been a dellimmar !!! Lorraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > Hi Lorraine > > Following on from Margaret's message I also check the year of marriage for > James > and Sarah yesterday on the IGI and found the marriage listed > > JAMES BRUCE > > Marriages: > Spouse: SARAH ANN BURNEY Family > Marriage: 28 AUG 1822 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England > > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > Heuston > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:55 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > Hi Lesley, > > A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the > blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my > grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was > married > to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as > Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have > been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) > James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. > Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thankyou Margaret for the information I really appreciate the way every one helps out,. Could you also look up a marriage for James father and mother . I think they were John Bruce and Sarah Butler No other info . I do Know that James was born on 6 Aug 1791 but no copy of birth cert yet. Thanks again Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Usmar" <margaretusmar@gmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > Hello Paul > > Hope you don't think I'm being nosey and butting in, but I've just found > this on Pallot's Marriage Index: > > Jas. BRUCE to Sarah BURNEY > Both residents of Poplar parish > Married 1822 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney > > Sarah made her 'mark', but it appears James signed his name. > > Happy to do other look-ups if you would like. > > Best wishes > > Margaret (Warwickshire, England) > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston < > pauleonlad1@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi Lesley, >> >> A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the >> blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my >> grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was >> married >> to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as >> Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have >> been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) >> James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. >> Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce >> >> >> > Hi Lorraine >> > >> > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years >> > of >> > age >> > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a >> > Protestant >> > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His >> > native >> > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North >> > East >> > of >> > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. >> > He >> > was >> > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life >> > sentence >> > for >> > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. >> > >> > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional >> > Pardon >> > and he >> > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a >> > Ticket >> > of >> > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. >> > F. >> > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie >> > of >> > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) >> > >> > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas >> > Munro >> > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on >> the >> > 11 >> > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following >> people >> > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney >> in >> > 1833. >> > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 >> > children >> > of >> > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart >> > on >> > the Sir >> > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Lesley Uebel >> > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> > CLAIM A CONVICT >> > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> > Paul,Lorraine,Des >> > Heuston >> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM >> > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce >> > >> > >> > Hi Lesley, >> > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London >> > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. >> > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey >> > 1831.His wife >> > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in >> > 1839. >> > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of >> > which I >> > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . >> > Thankyou >> > for your help Lorraine >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christene You mentioned the name Hamilton Hume, I am not a relative of his, but one family member still has that house that Hamilton built on Appin Road Campbelltown. It is now called "Meadowvale" My father actually passed away there in 1990 as he stayed at the house quite a lot and I have some lovely photos of the house and cottage. Would be interested to hear of some of the stories about him that you may have as in my family book I like to give a story about where the people lived. If that would be OK with your family. Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestorsonecould have? >I have a few on my tree > Hamilton Hume father of Explorer > was a convict > John Taber was a teacher and started the > first private school in Sydney leaving a parcel of land > that he was given for the first Jewish church and school > and another was a poor Irish catholic farmer from Tyrone > James Mcgrath who had a run in with > the constabulary in 1827 and was sentenced to life in the colony > Not 1 of these were from *villainous families * all 3 were what we > in todays colloquialisms were *set up*..what ever the colony needed > was supplied one way or the other > I am sure when I go further I will find more > It would be interesting to have the time to just collect a convict and > bring him to modern time rather than just spending time on our own lines > Christene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a few on my tree Hamilton Hume father of Explorer was a convict John Taber was a teacher and started the first private school in Sydney leaving a parcel of land that he was given for the first Jewish church and school and another was a poor Irish catholic farmer from Tyrone James Mcgrath who had a run in with the constabulary in 1827 and was sentenced to life in the colony Not 1 of these were from *villainous families * all 3 were what we in todays colloquialisms were *set up*..what ever the colony needed was supplied one way or the other I am sure when I go further I will find more It would be interesting to have the time to just collect a convict and bring him to modern time rather than just spending time on our own lines Christene

I did some maths and (I'm not so good at this) assuming -That every single ancestor was a convict .If a convict child of first fleeters(Currency Lad or Lass) was a lass who married and had her first child at 16 and she married a currency lad. That means in 1804 a child would have had 4 convict grandparents, the next generation would have 8 convict great grandparents the next 16 2XGGrandparents the next 32 3XGGrandparents etc for the number of generations possible in Australia. If we assume that we could have 20 year generations we could fit 11 generations for a child born this year and that means that theoretically an Australian could have 2048 convicts all on the first fleet. BUT this assumes we have not doubled up and that there where 2048 people on the first fleet half of whom where female. It could happen that if other more realistic assumptions were made a realistic number could be well over 500 convict ancestors. A good question! Regards Gillian -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Gough Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:24 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestors one could have? Hello Listers, I was speaking with someone today who mentioned that they had 22 convict ancestors. I have since been wondering what IS the most possible convict (direct line, blood) ancestors that one person could have in Australia? ie: given timeframe span of convict arrivals across various states and across generations of arrival and maximum number of generations within the transportation period - c60 years = 4? generations? = how many potential convicts could one have ? Does anyone have more than 22 convict ancestors? I have 12 convicts = on one side only of my family - plus 6 unknown ancestors who were born during or prior to the early period of transportation in that same family. Thanks for any #figures/conversation re: this. Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret of Warwickshire, Excuse me also for butting in on your reply to Paul. I have ancestors in Birmingham, Warwickshire would you mind doing a look up for me. Philip Reeves m. Sarah Eames 1814 St.Martins, Caroline c.3.3.1817 St.Philips, Eliza c.9.10.1820 St.Philips, Philip and William c.27.12.1825 St. Martins. I believe that Philip married in 1845. He was sentenced in 1847 with his brother and sent to Australia in the Hashemy as a convict exile in 1849 for 15 years. Did Caroline and Eliza marry? Please help if you can, Joan, Queensland. Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Usmar Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 10:16 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce Hello Paul Hope you don't think I'm being nosey and butting in, but I've just found this on Pallot's Marriage Index: Jas. BRUCE to Sarah BURNEY Both residents of Poplar parish Married 1822 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney Sarah made her 'mark', but it appears James signed his name. Happy to do other look-ups if you would like. Best wishes Margaret (Warwickshire, England) On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston < pauleonlad1@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Lesley, > > A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the > blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my > grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was > married > to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as > Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have > been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) > James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. > Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > Hi Lorraine > > > > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years of > > age > > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a > > Protestant > > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His > > native > > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North East > > of > > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. He > > was > > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life sentence > > for > > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. > > > > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional Pardon > > and he > > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a Ticket > > of > > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. F. > > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie of > > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) > > > > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas > > Munro > > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on > the > > 11 > > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following > people > > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney > in > > 1833. > > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 children > > of > > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart on > > the Sir > > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > CLAIM A CONVICT > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > > Heuston > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM > > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > > > Hi Lesley, > > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London > > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. > > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey > > 1831.His wife > > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in 1839. > > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of > > which I > > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . > > Thankyou > > for your help Lorraine > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lorraine Following on from Margaret's message I also check the year of marriage for James and Sarah yesterday on the IGI and found the marriage listed JAMES BRUCE Marriages: Spouse: SARAH ANN BURNEY Family Marriage: 28 AUG 1822 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:55 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce Hi Lesley, A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was married to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine.

Hello Listers, I was speaking with someone today who mentioned that they had 22 convict ancestors. I have since been wondering what IS the most possible convict (direct line, blood) ancestors that one person could have in Australia? ie: given timeframe span of convict arrivals across various states and across generations of arrival and maximum number of generations within the transportation period - c60 years = 4? generations? = how many potential convicts could one have ? Does anyone have more than 22 convict ancestors? I have 12 convicts = on one side only of my family - plus 6 unknown ancestors who were born during or prior to the early period of transportation in that same family. Thanks for any #figures/conversation re: this. Julie

Hi Lesley, A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was married to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > Hi Lorraine > > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years of > age > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a > Protestant > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His > native > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North East > of > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. He > was > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life sentence > for > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. > > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional Pardon > and he > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a Ticket > of > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. F. > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie of > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) > > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas > Munro > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on the > 11 > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following people > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney in > 1833. > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 children > of > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart on > the Sir > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > Heuston > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > Hi Lesley, > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey > 1831.His wife > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in 1839. > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of > which I > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . > Thankyou > for your help Lorraine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Lesley. May be back to the drawing board, this family is driving me mad trying to find leads, Thanks for your help. June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Duncan Robertson > > http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/ > > > The one and only Duncan Robinson/Robertson to PJ arrived in 1839 on the > John > Barry > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of june m robinson > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:41 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Duncan Robertson > > > Hi Lesley, > The info came from List of male Convicts. George Robertson indent no > 257 > George Robertson in the remarks column Scar back of little finger on left > hand. Brother Duncan Robertson per Waterloo 1832 this all came from State > Library of Queensland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Duncan Robertson > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of june m robinson >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:58 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Duncan Robertson >> >> >> Thanks Lesley, >> It must of been 1831 as it was Waterloo 2 >> Thanks for that >> greatly appreciated as I know dates can be mixed up. >> >> June >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of june m robinson >>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:23 PM >>> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-CON] Duncan Robertson >>> >>> >>> Hi list looking for info on DUNCAN ROBERTSON, arrived on the Waterloo 2 >>> in >>> 1832. >>> Have just found out that he could be the Brother on my husbands >>> GGGrandfather >>> Geoge Robertson who arrived on Susan 1 in 1834 >>> any info greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks >>> June >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 >> 5:42 PM >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1571 - Release Date: 7/24/2008 > 5:42 PM > >

Hello Paul Hope you don't think I'm being nosey and butting in, but I've just found this on Pallot's Marriage Index: Jas. BRUCE to Sarah BURNEY Both residents of Poplar parish Married 1822 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney Sarah made her 'mark', but it appears James signed his name. Happy to do other look-ups if you would like. Best wishes Margaret (Warwickshire, England) On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston < pauleonlad1@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Lesley, > > A big THANKYOU for your infomation . It is helping to fill in the > blanks. I have a copy of James Bruce's death cert purchased by my > grandfather in 1957 when he was reseaching. It states that James was > married > to Sarah Ann Burney in Stepney England (no date) Children are listed as > Henry ,George, Ellen ,Robert and 3 males deceased. I think they may have > been John Joesph and Frances.(unconfirmed) > James was 84yrs when he died in 1874. > Many thanks again ,,,,still searching for more ,,,,,,Lorraine. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > Hi Lorraine > > > > The Indent for the "Surrey" 1831 states that James Bruce was 40 years of > > age > > when he arrived (that agrees with your year of birth). James was a > > Protestant > > and could read and write. He was a married man with 2 children. His > > native > > place was stated to be Arbroath (this is about 17 miles to the North East > > of > > Dundee). He gave his occupations as Seaman, Mill Wright and Labourer. He > > was > > tried at Winchester on the 28 February 1831 and received a Life sentence > > for > > robbing a pantry. It was his first conviction. > > > > On the 24th February 1847 James was recommended for a Conditional Pardon > > and he > > received it on the 1 March 1848 - No. 48/640. He was issued with a Ticket > > of > > Leave in 1840 No. 40/1690. On arrival he has been assigned to a Mr J. F. > > Hawkins of Bathurst and then had been assigned to Mr. A. K. McKenzie of > > Bathurst (according to the General Return of Convicts in NSW - 1837) > > > > A Mrs Sarah Bruce and 2 children arrived from Hobart on the Sir Thomas > > Munro > > (see Archives Office of Tasmania web site) - this ship left Hobart on > the > > 11 > > February 1833. According to the Convictions web site the following > people > > departed on the Sir Thomas Munro Sarah, James, Henry & John for Sydney > in > > 1833. > > I am a little confused here as I do not know the names of the 2 children > > of > > James and Sarah. These people do not appear to have arrived IN Hobart on > > the Sir > > Thomas Munro so may have arrived on another ship. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > CLAIM A CONVICT > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des > > Heuston > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:31 PM > > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-CON] james bruce > > > > > > Hi Lesley, > > I have some info about James and family. He was b. London > > 6/8/1791 father John m Sarah. > > He was married to Sarah Ann Burney & had 2 sons. Arrived on Surrey > > 1831.His wife > > and 2 children arrived on Sir thomas Munro 1832/3 James pardoned in 1839. > > As this was all in hard to read notes by unknown person/ sources, (of > > which I > > have a poor photocopy ) I want to verify this and find out more . > > Thankyou > > for your help Lorraine > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >