Hi Greg, The only John Boyd on the 1828 census who arrived in 1827 came on the Countess of Harcourt. He was aged 24 years. Could this be your man? Carol

Hello Does anyone have access to assignment records, such as to the 1828 Census? I wonder about the Assignment details of convict JOHN BOYD of the Marquis of Hastings(2). He arrived in 1827 and had tickets of leave in 1836 and 1842 followed by a conditional pardon in 1845. Thanks Greg

HI Leanne Thank you for the information on the cadmans Pat Leanne <[email protected]> wrote: V1849348 155/1849 CADMAN SAMUEL LATHULEER HENRIETTA H IK V1849207 84/1849 CADMAN SAMUEL LETHULIAN HENRIETTA H IK IK = Wesleyan Methodist, West Maitland The surname obviously has been mis -transcribed. Leanne > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi lesley Thank you for your quick response, much appreciated Pat Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> wrote: They are very easy Name .. Lethulier, Henrietta / Harriet LU Codes .. *M*CP*R Arr. .. 1832 Ship .. Burrell (2) Tried .. Middlesex 1831 Sent. .. Life Age .. 22 Crime .. Man robbery Source; The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology and Barbara McCallum was a convict to Tasmania 44305 McCallum Barbara 05 Jun 1846 Emma Eugenia (3) 10 Feb 1846 Portsmouth Source Archives of Tasmania and marriage to Eliija Cadman took place in Tasmania in 1852] Source: Vital Records Index Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of PETER WILLIAMS Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] female convicts Hi I'm looking for two female convicts 1) Henrietta Lethieullier married a Samuel Cadman also a convict 2) Barbara McCallum married an Elijah Cadman This is all the info I have is there anyone who can help or point me in the right direction please Thanks Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I'm looking for two female convicts 1) Henrietta Lethieullier married a Samuel Cadman also a convict 2) Barbara McCallum married an Elijah Cadman This is all the info I have is there anyone who can help or point me in the right direction please Thanks Pat

How many generations ago? One of my convict ancestors is my great great grandfather, Peter Maguire, who was transported in 1829, married Johannah Foley or Murphy who arrived from County Cork in 1836, and settled around Milton on the south coast. His son Peter McGuire married Elen Ferguson, they settled at Tomerong, and their youngest son Peter was my grandfather - he died in the 1960s. A very strong streak of Irish larrikinism is still running very strongly in the family :) Leith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 213 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Andrew Hamilton Hume (South Coast Promotions) 2. convicts & generations (Lynette Twist) 3. William day (louise potterton) 4. Re: William day (Lesley Uebel) 5. Hamilton Hume (Lynette Crocker) 6. Re: how many generations ago (Sharon Robertson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:11:33 +1000 From: "South Coast Promotions" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Andrew Hamilton Hume To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Iam a descendant of Andrew Hamilton Hume and also via Kennedy line his wife line Elizabeth More Kennedy Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Element Sent: Friday, 1 August 2008 10:51 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convictancestorsonecould have? Hi Scott Thanks for your input. I have a small connection with the Hume family via the Huon's as the two families were connected by marriages in the early pioneer days. Are the Humes in your tree? From those early days I suspect nearly everyone today is related in some way to those pioneers! :) A few large families marrying back and forth over a few generations seems to have done it. If you have data on the Huon's I'd be interested in that, or if you would like what I have? Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Brown Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestorsonecould have? Tom You are correct. Andrew Hamilton Hume arrived in the colony as a free man with the position of Superintendant of Convicts. He originally embarked on the Guardian but after the sinking of this ship he transferred to the Lady juliana. Some of the notes I have regarding this man are 1782 - Enlisted in the Moira Regiment of Volunteers. He was cashiered in 1786 after being court-martialled over a duel with his commanding officer. After this he was employed as a Superintendent of Convicts on the Thames hulks at Woolwich until August 1789 when he embarked on the HMS Guardian bound for New South Wales. He was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana' at Table Bay following the Guardian's near sinking after striking an iceberg After the 'Guardian' sank, Hume was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana'. He transferred to Norfolk Island on the 'Surprise' in 1790 1792 - Superintendent of Convicts, Norfolk Island March 1793 - Returned to Sydney on the 'Kitty'. Here he was appointed as superintendent at Toongabbie April 1794 - Received a grant of 30 acres at Toongabbie August 1796 - Appeared in court on a charge of raping 11 year old Ann SMITH who had been employed as a servant in his household. Ann had arrived free in NSW with her convict mother on the First Fleet. He was acquitted of the charge after a two day trial March 1796 - Andrew was holding the position of Government Storekeeper at Parramatta 1800 - Dismissed from the position of Superintendent of Livestock by Governor KING 1811 - Received a grant of 100 acres at Appin He was born at Hillsborough, County Down, Ireland on 26 June 1862 to James and Isabella Hume. On 29 September 1796 he married Elizabeth More Kennedy at St John's Parramatta.They had five children being Hamilton, Isabella, John Kennedy, Andrew Hamilton and Francis Rawdon. Andrew Hamilton Hume died at home at "Glenrock" near Marulan on 23 September 1849 and was buried at St Saviour's Church at Bungonia, NSW. Scott Brown > Tom Element <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Christine > > I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father > of > Explorer > was a convict. > The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume > who > was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read > something incorrectly? > > Regards > Tom > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:31:09 +1000 From: "Lynette Twist" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-CON] convicts & generations To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear List, I understood the question to be 'how many original convicts do I come from. I have: Thomas PEARCE, 'Coromandel' 1804 Mary PRICE, 'Minstrel' 1812 William HAIGH, 'General Hewitt' 1814 William GAIT, 'Fame' 1817 James WHITNEY, 'Tottenham' 1818 James NYE & son James, 'General Stewart' 1818 Peter LARKIN, 'John Barry' 1821 Ann MCDONNELL, 'Elizabeth' 1828 Thomas RUDD, 'Camden' 1831 Above are my first generation convicts with 2 others to be verified. I have not gone down the married intos. Charles BIGGS, 'Westmoreland' 1835 Fanny JOHNSON, 'Mary 111' 1835 Catherine BYRNE, 'Minerva' 1839 (aka Mary Ann PURCELL) Daniel SULLIVAN, 'Bangalore' 1848 My husband's direct convicts with 2 others to verify. Lynette ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:54:03 +1000 From: louise potterton <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-CON] William day To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi Leslie & Listers , My ancestor is William Day,Father of Marcellas day b 1802 Sydney Apparently he was part of the NSW corps and was granted land in 1819 in Camden. I cant find record listing what ship he came in on or a true record of his wife Can You please help? Louise Potterton 2876 Pacific Hwy Tyndale NSw 2460 _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2 Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fa i%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:08:47 +1000 From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] William day To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Louise That William Day arrived Free on the Pitt in 1792 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of louise potterton Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] William day hi Leslie & Listers , My ancestor is William Day,Father of Marcellas day b 1802 Sydney Apparently he was part of the NSW corps and was granted land in 1819 in Camden. I cant find record listing what ship he came in on or a true record of his wife Can You please help? Louise Potterton 2876 Pacific Hwy Tyndale NSw 2460 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:14:51 +1000 From: "Lynette Crocker" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-CON] Hamilton Hume To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi to the listers that are related to Hamilton Hume, Just in case you don't know of this website, this link has lots of pictures of Hamilton Hume and the house "Meadowvale" on Appin Rd on Appin Rd also the house on the farm next door to Meadowvale called "Beulah" that the Hume family built. http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia/ Regards Lynette ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:19:33 +1000 From: "Sharon Robertson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] how many generations ago To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Darrell wrote: The other interesting metric is how many generations ago (ie. How recent) were your convict ancestors. My husband's convict is his great-great uncle: 1. Robert Ferris Allan ROBERTSON (father) (1917-1973) m.1941 Marion Stark BOLTON (1919-2008) 2. Philip ROBERTSON (grandfather) (1874-1939) m.1898 Martha ALLAN (1877-1961) 3. William ROBERTSON (G grandfather) (1843-1919) m.1866 Helen GOLD (great grandmother) (1844-1912) The convict Hugh Gold (1830-??) was Helen's oldest brother - Convict to VDL in 1850, after being convicted at 17 in Glasgow in 1847. Only 3 generations ago and my husband Colin is only 47. This is what can happen when two generations of children are born when their parents were in their forties. 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Darrell wrote: The other interesting metric is how many generations ago (ie. How recent) were your convict ancestors. My husband's convict is his great-great uncle: 1. Robert Ferris Allan ROBERTSON (father) (1917-1973) m.1941 Marion Stark BOLTON (1919-2008) 2. Philip ROBERTSON (grandfather) (1874-1939) m.1898 Martha ALLAN (1877-1961) 3. William ROBERTSON (G grandfather) (1843-1919) m.1866 Helen GOLD (great grandmother) (1844-1912) The convict Hugh Gold (1830-??) was Helen's oldest brother - Convict to VDL in 1850, after being convicted at 17 in Glasgow in 1847. Only 3 generations ago and my husband Colin is only 47. This is what can happen when two generations of children are born when their parents were in their forties. Regards Sharon

Hi to the listers that are related to Hamilton Hume, Just in case you don't know of this website, this link has lots of pictures of Hamilton Hume and the house "Meadowvale" on Appin Rd on Appin Rd also the house on the farm next door to Meadowvale called "Beulah" that the Hume family built. http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia/ Regards Lynette

Hi Louise That William Day arrived Free on the Pitt in 1792 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of louise potterton Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] William day hi Leslie & Listers , My ancestor is William Day,Father of Marcellas day b 1802 Sydney Apparently he was part of the NSW corps and was granted land in 1819 in Camden. I cant find record listing what ship he came in on or a true record of his wife Can You please help? Louise Potterton 2876 Pacific Hwy Tyndale NSw 2460

DAY William . Arrived 1792 Pitt Discharged Sydney Nov 1805 Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of louise potterton Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2008 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] William day hi Leslie & Listers , My ancestor is William Day,Father of Marcellas day b 1802 Sydney Apparently he was part of the NSW corps and was granted land in 1819 in Camden. I cant find record listing what ship he came in on or a true record of his wife Can You please help? Louise Potterton 2876 Pacific Hwy Tyndale NSw 2460 _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2 Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fa i%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Leslie & Listers , My ancestor is William Day,Father of Marcellas day b 1802 Sydney Apparently he was part of the NSW corps and was granted land in 1819 in Camden. I cant find record listing what ship he came in on or a true record of his wife Can You please help? Louise Potterton 2876 Pacific Hwy Tyndale NSw 2460 _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Dear List, I understood the question to be 'how many original convicts do I come from. I have: Thomas PEARCE, 'Coromandel' 1804 Mary PRICE, 'Minstrel' 1812 William HAIGH, 'General Hewitt' 1814 William GAIT, 'Fame' 1817 James WHITNEY, 'Tottenham' 1818 James NYE & son James, 'General Stewart' 1818 Peter LARKIN, 'John Barry' 1821 Ann MCDONNELL, 'Elizabeth' 1828 Thomas RUDD, 'Camden' 1831 Above are my first generation convicts with 2 others to be verified. I have not gone down the married intos. Charles BIGGS, 'Westmoreland' 1835 Fanny JOHNSON, 'Mary 111' 1835 Catherine BYRNE, 'Minerva' 1839 (aka Mary Ann PURCELL) Daniel SULLIVAN, 'Bangalore' 1848 My husband's direct convicts with 2 others to verify. Lynette

Hi Lesley Thank you for your reply, I am not sure about the death date of William, I shall check when I get home from work tonight, and no I wasn't aware there were two other William Greens born c 1821 and tried in Nottingham. How interesting. Thank you kind regards Julie Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Julie Just for interests sake, when did the William Green per Susan die ? As you aware that there were two other William Greens who were tried in Nottingham and who were born about 1821? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of JULIE MACDONALD Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] William Green Hi Lesley Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. I am pretty sure he was born in Nottinghamshire, but his death certificate does not list his parents, so until I can prove somehow he was from the village of Flintham I cannot say he was my gtgt grandfather's brother. Kind regards Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iam a descendant of Andrew Hamilton Hume and also via Kennedy line his wife line Elizabeth More Kennedy Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Element Sent: Friday, 1 August 2008 10:51 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convictancestorsonecould have? Hi Scott Thanks for your input. I have a small connection with the Hume family via the Huon's as the two families were connected by marriages in the early pioneer days. Are the Humes in your tree? From those early days I suspect nearly everyone today is related in some way to those pioneers! :) A few large families marrying back and forth over a few generations seems to have done it. If you have data on the Huon's I'd be interested in that, or if you would like what I have? Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Brown Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestorsonecould have? Tom You are correct. Andrew Hamilton Hume arrived in the colony as a free man with the position of Superintendant of Convicts. He originally embarked on the Guardian but after the sinking of this ship he transferred to the Lady juliana. Some of the notes I have regarding this man are 1782 - Enlisted in the Moira Regiment of Volunteers. He was cashiered in 1786 after being court-martialled over a duel with his commanding officer. After this he was employed as a Superintendent of Convicts on the Thames hulks at Woolwich until August 1789 when he embarked on the HMS Guardian bound for New South Wales. He was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana' at Table Bay following the Guardian's near sinking after striking an iceberg After the 'Guardian' sank, Hume was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana'. He transferred to Norfolk Island on the 'Surprise' in 1790 1792 - Superintendent of Convicts, Norfolk Island March 1793 - Returned to Sydney on the 'Kitty'. Here he was appointed as superintendent at Toongabbie April 1794 - Received a grant of 30 acres at Toongabbie August 1796 - Appeared in court on a charge of raping 11 year old Ann SMITH who had been employed as a servant in his household. Ann had arrived free in NSW with her convict mother on the First Fleet. He was acquitted of the charge after a two day trial March 1796 - Andrew was holding the position of Government Storekeeper at Parramatta 1800 - Dismissed from the position of Superintendent of Livestock by Governor KING 1811 - Received a grant of 100 acres at Appin He was born at Hillsborough, County Down, Ireland on 26 June 1862 to James and Isabella Hume. On 29 September 1796 he married Elizabeth More Kennedy at St John's Parramatta.They had five children being Hamilton, Isabella, John Kennedy, Andrew Hamilton and Francis Rawdon. Andrew Hamilton Hume died at home at "Glenrock" near Marulan on 23 September 1849 and was buried at St Saviour's Church at Bungonia, NSW. Scott Brown > Tom Element <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Christine > > I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father > of > Explorer > was a convict. > The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume > who > was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read > something incorrectly? > > Regards > Tom > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reply to be sent off-line On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:51:29 +1000, "Tom Element" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Scott > > Thanks for your input. I have a small connection with the Hume family via > the Huon's as the two families were connected by marriages in the early > pioneer days. > > Are the Humes in your tree? From those early days I suspect nearly > everyone > today is related in some way to those pioneers! :) A few large families > marrying back and forth over a few generations seems to have done it. If > you have data on the Huon's I'd be interested in that, or if you would > like > what I have? > > Regards > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Brown > Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 10:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict > ancestorsonecould have? > > > Tom > > You are correct. Andrew Hamilton Hume arrived in the colony as a free man > with the position of Superintendant of Convicts. He originally embarked on > the Guardian but after the sinking of this ship he transferred to the Lady > juliana. > > Some of the notes I have regarding this man are > > 1782 - Enlisted in the Moira Regiment of Volunteers. He was cashiered in > 1786 after being court-martialled over a duel with his commanding officer. > After this he was employed as a Superintendent of Convicts on the Thames > hulks at Woolwich until August 1789 when he embarked on the HMS Guardian > bound for New South Wales. He was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana' at > Table > Bay following the Guardian's near sinking after striking an iceberg > After the 'Guardian' sank, Hume was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana'. He > transferred to Norfolk Island on the 'Surprise' in 1790 > 1792 - Superintendent of Convicts, Norfolk Island > March 1793 - Returned to Sydney on the 'Kitty'. Here he was appointed as > superintendent at Toongabbie > April 1794 - Received a grant of 30 acres at Toongabbie > August 1796 - Appeared in court on a charge of raping 11 year old Ann > SMITH > who had been employed as a servant in his household. Ann had arrived free > in > NSW with her convict mother on the First Fleet. He was acquitted of the > charge after a two day trial > March 1796 - Andrew was holding the position of Government Storekeeper at > Parramatta > 1800 - Dismissed from the position of Superintendent of Livestock by > Governor KING > 1811 - Received a grant of 100 acres at Appin > > He was born at Hillsborough, County Down, Ireland on 26 June 1862 to James > and Isabella Hume. On 29 September 1796 he married Elizabeth More Kennedy > at > St John's Parramatta.They had five children being Hamilton, Isabella, John > Kennedy, Andrew Hamilton and Francis Rawdon. Andrew Hamilton Hume died at > home at "Glenrock" near Marulan on 23 September 1849 and was buried at St > Saviour's Church at Bungonia, NSW. > > Scott Brown > > >> Tom Element <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Christine >> >> I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father >> of >> Explorer >> was a convict. >> The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume >> who >> was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read >> something incorrectly? >> >> Regards >> Tom >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 66 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scott Thanks for your input. I have a small connection with the Hume family via the Huon's as the two families were connected by marriages in the early pioneer days. Are the Humes in your tree? From those early days I suspect nearly everyone today is related in some way to those pioneers! :) A few large families marrying back and forth over a few generations seems to have done it. If you have data on the Huon's I'd be interested in that, or if you would like what I have? Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Brown Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query: What is max # of direct convict ancestorsonecould have? Tom You are correct. Andrew Hamilton Hume arrived in the colony as a free man with the position of Superintendant of Convicts. He originally embarked on the Guardian but after the sinking of this ship he transferred to the Lady juliana. Some of the notes I have regarding this man are 1782 - Enlisted in the Moira Regiment of Volunteers. He was cashiered in 1786 after being court-martialled over a duel with his commanding officer. After this he was employed as a Superintendent of Convicts on the Thames hulks at Woolwich until August 1789 when he embarked on the HMS Guardian bound for New South Wales. He was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana' at Table Bay following the Guardian's near sinking after striking an iceberg After the 'Guardian' sank, Hume was transferred to the 'Lady Juliana'. He transferred to Norfolk Island on the 'Surprise' in 1790 1792 - Superintendent of Convicts, Norfolk Island March 1793 - Returned to Sydney on the 'Kitty'. Here he was appointed as superintendent at Toongabbie April 1794 - Received a grant of 30 acres at Toongabbie August 1796 - Appeared in court on a charge of raping 11 year old Ann SMITH who had been employed as a servant in his household. Ann had arrived free in NSW with her convict mother on the First Fleet. He was acquitted of the charge after a two day trial March 1796 - Andrew was holding the position of Government Storekeeper at Parramatta 1800 - Dismissed from the position of Superintendent of Livestock by Governor KING 1811 - Received a grant of 100 acres at Appin He was born at Hillsborough, County Down, Ireland on 26 June 1862 to James and Isabella Hume. On 29 September 1796 he married Elizabeth More Kennedy at St John's Parramatta.They had five children being Hamilton, Isabella, John Kennedy, Andrew Hamilton and Francis Rawdon. Andrew Hamilton Hume died at home at "Glenrock" near Marulan on 23 September 1849 and was buried at St Saviour's Church at Bungonia, NSW. Scott Brown > Tom Element <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Christine > > I'm a little confused by your statement which says: Hamilton Hume father > of > Explorer > was a convict. > The explorer was Hamilton Hume and his father was Andrew Hamilton Hume > who > was a Superintendent of Convicts, certainly not a convict. Have I read > something incorrectly? > > Regards > Tom > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

hi Janese this has got me thinking more than I expected! I have: 2 convict ancestors arrived 5 generations ago 4 convict ancestors arrived 6 generations ago 4 convict ancestors arrived 7 generations ago 1 convict ancestors arrived 8 generations ago = 11 convict ancestors arriving between 1792 and 1842 - I am 43 years old. I haven't done the maths yet for what is max possible convict ancestors for someone but it can't only be convict ancestors people need to come from their 'native' born child - who in turn can marry a convict, and so forth Also I am wondering what might be closest generation possible between convict ancestors and to the living now - a point which someone interestingly raised. Elderly people could have 4 convict great grandparents I think (?) Anyhow thanks to everyone for having this conversation Julie ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:35:09 +1000 >From: "Janese" <[email protected]> >Subject: [AUS-CON] Convicts and Generations >To: <[email protected]> > >Hullo List > I have been pondering the generation issue. >My grandson is a 7th generation Australian. >The normal or average time between a generations is about 35 years. This >gives him 245 years of Aussie relatives. So he would have 128 direct >Australian ancestors. >Which is correct that takes him back to 1763, the birth of my first convict. >If we went back 14 generations that is 490 years ago that would give us >about 16 thousand main relatives. >Given that some of our ancestors appear in our family trees more than once. >Convict transport ceased in NSW in October 1850 WA in 1863. >The most amount of convicts you can have? >If your first arrival was 1788. He/she married another convict. >There are your first two. Their child marries a convict. Now 3 convicts. >Remember that the first child is colonial born not a convict.1st generation >Australian. Colonial born child's in laws are both convicts. There are your >first 5 convicts. >You can have a good many convicts if your convicts were arriving right up >until the last ship. > >Between 1791 and 1846 I have 9 direct convicts but am related to 12. With >the early deaths of some, the remarriages were to other convicts, which bore >more children. > >So a marriage in 1788 can produce a child in 1789. Wait 16 years then the >next generation is born 1805. They wait 20 years1825 they wait 18 years 1843 >then another 16 years 1859. A young convict arriving on that last ship say >he's 17 years old, he does not get married for another 16 years but marries >the girl born in 1859 in 1875. He's 33 she is 16. >That is nearly 100 years later. If your convicts married only convicts that >is how many you can have? I know how many that is, who else can work it out? >Jen. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie Just for interests sake, when did the William Green per Susan die ? As you aware that there were two other William Greens who were tried in Nottingham and who were born about 1821? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of JULIE MACDONALD Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] William Green Hi Lesley Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. I am pretty sure he was born in Nottinghamshire, but his death certificate does not list his parents, so until I can prove somehow he was from the village of Flintham I cannot say he was my gtgt grandfather's brother. Kind regards Julie

Hullo List I have been pondering the generation issue. My grandson is a 7th generation Australian. The normal or average time between a generations is about 35 years. This gives him 245 years of Aussie relatives. So he would have 128 direct Australian ancestors. Which is correct that takes him back to 1763, the birth of my first convict. If we went back 14 generations that is 490 years ago that would give us about 16 thousand main relatives. Given that some of our ancestors appear in our family trees more than once. Convict transport ceased in NSW in October 1850 WA in 1863. The most amount of convicts you can have? If your first arrival was 1788. He/she married another convict. There are your first two. Their child marries a convict. Now 3 convicts. Remember that the first child is colonial born not a convict.1st generation Australian. Colonial born child's in laws are both convicts. There are your first 5 convicts. You can have a good many convicts if your convicts were arriving right up until the last ship. Between 1791 and 1846 I have 9 direct convicts but am related to 12. With the early deaths of some, the remarriages were to other convicts, which bore more children. So a marriage in 1788 can produce a child in 1789. Wait 16 years then the next generation is born 1805. They wait 20 years1825 they wait 18 years 1843 then another 16 years 1859. A young convict arriving on that last ship say he's 17 years old, he does not get married for another 16 years but marries the girl born in 1859 in 1875. He's 33 she is 16. That is nearly 100 years later. If your convicts married only convicts that is how many you can have? I know how many that is, who else can work it out? Jen.

Hi Lesley Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. I am pretty sure he was born in Nottinghamshire, but his death certificate does not list his parents, so until I can prove somehow he was from the village of Flintham I cannot say he was my gtgt grandfather's brother. Kind regards Julie Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Julie If you check the Indent for the 'Susan' you will see that his native place was noted as Nottinghamshire. Whilst that does not necessarily mean he was born there, it usually is a pretty good indication Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] William Green Is someone able to help find the place of birth of the following convict: William Green aged 14 who was sentenced to 7 years at Nottingham Quarter Sessions on 7th January 1835 for a crime (not detailed) committed in Nottngham and who was transported to New South Wales in 1835 on a ship named SUSAN I have a William Green born 1821 in Flintham, Nottingham who does not appear in any census and I wondered if he could be this person. Many thanks Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message