Hi Marie Female convicts who arrived on the first fleet certainly were given the lash. . You may have to check the journals of Philip Gidley King for details but.... Mary Gamble (Gambel, Gamol) had been sentenced to 12 dozen lashes on Norfolk Island for stealing - but then forgiven. A few months later she committed another crime and was given 3 dozen lashes Also Ann Coombs 50 lashes for defrauding Thomas Jones of a quantity of provisions and another 100 lashes for another crime There are others.... Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Marie Head Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:19 AM To: Alan Eade; aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Women Transported: Life in Australia's ConvictFemaleFactories It is with great interest I read the above article, & look forward to visiting the exhibition. One point I wish to comment on "Unlike their male counterparts, they were spared the lash." An ancestor , Elizabeth Hayward, arriving on the 'Lady Penryhn" with the First Fleet, a child of 13-14 yrs, sentenced 7years for theft, was assingned to The Reverend Richard Johnson & his wife, as a servant, on arrival. The chaplain charged her with insolence to his wife, & on 7th February 1789,she is sentenced to receive 30 lashes. I have a copy of the written entry recording this, but have never found any evidence that the sentence was carried out. Could the sentence be appealed, or reduced in any way? Any suggestions?

Hi Alan This seems to be an exhibition? Is the format objects with text panels? Is there a catalogue and how can we buy it? Is there a web site? Tour dates? Many questions! Julie ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:19:29 +1000 >From: "Marie Head" <marie.head@bigpond.com> >Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict FemaleFactories >To: "Alan Eade" <eade.alan@bigpond.com>, <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > >It is with great interest I read the above article, & look forward to >visiting the exhibition. >One point I wish to comment on "Unlike their male counterparts, they were >spared the lash." >An ancestor , Elizabeth Hayward, arriving on the 'Lady Penryhn" with the >First Fleet, a child of 13-14 yrs, sentenced 7years for theft, was assingned >to The Reverend Richard Johnson & his wife, as a servant, on arrival. >The chaplain charged her with insolence to his wife, & on 7th February >1789,she is sentenced to receive 30 lashes. >I have a copy of the written entry recording this, but have never found any >evidence that the sentence was carried out. Could the sentence be appealed, >or reduced in any way? >Any suggestions? >Marie Head. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Eade" <eade.alan@bigpond.com> >To: <AUS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:42 PM >Subject: [AUS-CON] Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict >FemaleFactories > > >> "Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories," whose >> national tour opens Aug. 2 at the Parramatta Heritage Centre. Between 1804 >> and the early 1850s, some 10,000 British women served in one of the 12 >> female work houses - known as factories - in New South Wales and Van >> Diemen's Land (Tasmania). Theirs is a tale of dislocation and suffering of >> which few Australians have more than the sketchiest knowledge, yet it's >> hardly stretching things to call these women the mothers of a nation, or >> to suggest that it was partly through their struggles that elements of the >> archetypal Australian character were forged. >> A common misconception is that most of the convict women were illiterate >> whores from the criminal class. Not so, according to documents of the >> time. Prostitution wasn't illegal in Britain in the early part of the 19th >> century, so it wasn't grounds for transportation. The convicts were no >> more likely to be illiterate than the Britons who were coming to Australia >> by choice, and more than 60% of them were transported for a first offence, >> usually theft. Between them, they brought some 180 trade skills. >> For the most part, in other words, these people were not horrible. But the >> conditions they faced often were. In Parramatta, by the 1840s, a Francis >> Greenway-designed factory built to accommodate 300 was holding 1,200 >> women, who worked from dawn to dusk on tasks that included stone breaking, >> spinning, needlework and laundry. Unlike their male counterparts, they >> were spared the lash. But they were not spared solitary confinement or the >> indignity of being gagged or having their head shaved for serious >> misconduct. >> >> Now, a new exhibition entitled 'Women Transported - Life in Australia's >> Convict Female Factories' will provide a unique insight into this part of >> our nation's history. >> "Following their arrival in Australia, most female convicts were assigned >> as household servants. However, if they were being punished for bad >> behaviour or were simply ill, injured, pregnant, or waiting for an >> assignment, they were sent to workhouses known as female factories," said >> Associate Professor Liston. "The conditions were harsh and the women were >> forced to undertake physically hard domestic chores such as laundering for >> the military, sewing clothes for convicts, and making the yarn that was to >> be woven into the woollen and linen cloth that was used for the clothing. >> "In six months, the women sewed on 50,000 buttons; their work as spinners >> assisted the development of the wool industry; and many women went on to >> do the myriad of occupations that kept the country going, such as running >> farms and businesses and raising families." >> Women Transported - Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories' will be >> opened by the Governor on 7 August at Parramatta Heritage Centre, Church >> Street, Parramatta. >> >>>From November 2008, the exhibition will travel to the ACT, Tasmania and >>>Queensland as part of a national tour. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is with great interest I read the above article, & look forward to visiting the exhibition. One point I wish to comment on "Unlike their male counterparts, they were spared the lash." An ancestor , Elizabeth Hayward, arriving on the 'Lady Penryhn" with the First Fleet, a child of 13-14 yrs, sentenced 7years for theft, was assingned to The Reverend Richard Johnson & his wife, as a servant, on arrival. The chaplain charged her with insolence to his wife, & on 7th February 1789,she is sentenced to receive 30 lashes. I have a copy of the written entry recording this, but have never found any evidence that the sentence was carried out. Could the sentence be appealed, or reduced in any way? Any suggestions? Marie Head. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Eade" <eade.alan@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict FemaleFactories > "Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories," whose > national tour opens Aug. 2 at the Parramatta Heritage Centre. Between 1804 > and the early 1850s, some 10,000 British women served in one of the 12 > female work houses - known as factories - in New South Wales and Van > Diemen's Land (Tasmania). Theirs is a tale of dislocation and suffering of > which few Australians have more than the sketchiest knowledge, yet it's > hardly stretching things to call these women the mothers of a nation, or > to suggest that it was partly through their struggles that elements of the > archetypal Australian character were forged. > A common misconception is that most of the convict women were illiterate > whores from the criminal class. Not so, according to documents of the > time. Prostitution wasn't illegal in Britain in the early part of the 19th > century, so it wasn't grounds for transportation. The convicts were no > more likely to be illiterate than the Britons who were coming to Australia > by choice, and more than 60% of them were transported for a first offence, > usually theft. Between them, they brought some 180 trade skills. > For the most part, in other words, these people were not horrible. But the > conditions they faced often were. In Parramatta, by the 1840s, a Francis > Greenway-designed factory built to accommodate 300 was holding 1,200 > women, who worked from dawn to dusk on tasks that included stone breaking, > spinning, needlework and laundry. Unlike their male counterparts, they > were spared the lash. But they were not spared solitary confinement or the > indignity of being gagged or having their head shaved for serious > misconduct. > > Now, a new exhibition entitled 'Women Transported - Life in Australia's > Convict Female Factories' will provide a unique insight into this part of > our nation's history. > "Following their arrival in Australia, most female convicts were assigned > as household servants. However, if they were being punished for bad > behaviour or were simply ill, injured, pregnant, or waiting for an > assignment, they were sent to workhouses known as female factories," said > Associate Professor Liston. "The conditions were harsh and the women were > forced to undertake physically hard domestic chores such as laundering for > the military, sewing clothes for convicts, and making the yarn that was to > be woven into the woollen and linen cloth that was used for the clothing. > "In six months, the women sewed on 50,000 buttons; their work as spinners > assisted the development of the wool industry; and many women went on to > do the myriad of occupations that kept the country going, such as running > farms and businesses and raising families." > Women Transported - Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories' will be > opened by the Governor on 7 August at Parramatta Heritage Centre, Church > Street, Parramatta. > >>From November 2008, the exhibition will travel to the ACT, Tasmania and >>Queensland as part of a national tour. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi listers, Thanks to Garry W and Liz P for their info utilised/pasted below re: John Simmons. nb: I had deftly assumed/inserted the wrong John Symmons as an ancestor - hence this call for help re: the new incoming convict John Simmonds. I will paste below what I now have re: Simmonds, his wife and their daughters, in the hope that anyone also related will get in touch and help to add more to the information - including verifying that this John Simmonds "GANGES" 1797 NSW is truly the correct one!... John Simmonds tried in London aged 16 upon his conviction at the Old Bailey 12 Dec 1792 according to Uebel and Baxter sentence 7 years = almost expired by the time he got to Australia given a 7 year sentence. Arrived NSW per "Ganges" on 2nd June 1797 "Ganges was built in 1794 in India she weighed 700 tons. Ganges departed Portsmouth in February 1797 arriving in NSW on 2/06/1797. 203 Males embarked 13 died on the voyage, disembarking 190. Master was Thomas Partickson & the surgeon was James Mileham. The Ganges was one of the first ships to be inspected by Sir James Fitzpatick, he ordered structural changes and placed ventilators on board, fumigants, medicines and water purifiers and only allowed 203 men onboard instead of the normal 300." (From Lynette Brown posting). The 1806 NSW Muster: Employed by Henry Kable as a sealer. We first find him in VDL in the 1817/18 Victualling List taken in Port Dalrymple his occupation is listed as constable at William Massey's farm. (Where is this farm? Whow was William Massey - was he Thomas William Massey?) How /where can I get more information about Simmonds work at this place? Is this the right Massey?: Perth’s history began in 1821 when Governor Macquarie, on a visit from Sydney, stayed with David Gibson of ‘Pleasant Banks’ across the river and selected the site for a township, naming it after his host’s native town in Scotland. In 1816 the site had been granted to Thomas Massey, for a time Chief Constable of early Launceston and described by Lt. Governor Sorrell as a ‘turbulent and troublesome man’, but Massey moved to land at Ellerslie near Ben Lomond, and so made way for the growth of the new settlement. http://www.nationaltrusttas.org.au/files/HeritageTouring_Perth.pdf 1819 Muster John Simmonds is still listed as "on stores", which would indicate he was still part of the constabulary in PD. "This man would have arrived VDL as an emancipated convict, and settled in the Port Dalrymple area where he married Catherine Tobin on the 1st January 1821". What was his life between 1797 and 1818??? Marriage John Simmons and Catherine Tobin M.1/1/1821 [nb: no permission needed]. Launceston St Johns Pr Ref: 506. Page 10 #505 by Banns His X Mark Her X Mark Witnesses: John Hughes Thomas W Hudson Clerk Chaplain John Youl Catherine Tobin Born: 1787 Sentenced in County Cork in August 1816 for stealing muslin 7 Years. Trade: Huckster. [Huckster: a seller of shoddy goods or to peddle: sell or offer for sale from place to place].AOT 318708? And Aot 70969. Literacy: Cannot write. Age 22;30 (1817) Police number 32: (Irish convicts to NSW by Peter Mayberry. Con 13/1 P102) Arrived on Canada (4) in 1817 to Sydney then Hobart.: arrived into Hobart on Elizabeth Henrietta. Con 40/9 p.164. #32 Arrived 27 August 1817 directly into Hobart on ELIZABETH HENRIETTA from Sydney where she had arrived from Cork on Canada (4) arrived 06 08 1817 NSW departed 21 03 1817 Cork 138 days 89 embarked 89 disembarked Jn Grigg Master Jas Allan Surgeon http://www.convictcentral.com/ Elizabeth Henrietta not listed: http://www.convictcentral.com/ 1817 Aug 11: On list of prisoners embarked per "Elizabeth Henrietta" for Hobart (Reel 6005; 4/3496 p.296) http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/t/f56c%5Fti%2Dty%2D03.htm CON 40/1/9 p164 CON 13/1/1/p92 #32 Q: Why did these women get sent onto VDL after arriving into NSW- was this regular or a one-off movment ? 1820 muster: Catherine Tobin at Port Dalrymple. Also: CARD INDEX ARCHIVES OF TASMANIA NS373/5 Archives of Tasmania (AOT) 3 entries from mouldy register from Launceston Church of England that are unscannable and were written onto card files (when?) (ref: AOT 20/3/2008): Yellow card Ref NS373/5 Thomas Symons (Sister to Ann Simons) Died 4 July 1820 Buried 6 July 1820 Age: 4 weeks Parish: Ltn Son of John Symons and Catherine Tobin Why is there no info, baptism, birth details for their middle child: Ann Simons/ Simmonds? Blue Card Ref NS373/5 Elizabeth Symmonds (Sister to Ann Simons) Parents John and Catherine Parish Launceston Abode: Near Launceston Profession: Settler Baptised: 4/5/1826 (by whom?) Elizabeth Symmonds married George Smith in 1840 in Launceston she was aged 16. Is anyone out there related to her? Catherine Tobin: 1/1/1821: Married John Simmons In Launceston St Johns Pr. Ref: 506. 1826: Free Cert. issued 8 Dec 1827: Wife of Simmons drunk and disorderly on the streets fined 5/- 25 April 1828: FS. W. Simmons D & D and fighting in the streets fined 5/- and ordered to find sureties for her good behaviour for 3 months. 8 Sept 1828: Wife of Simmons. D & D. Fined 5/- 7 Oct 1828: Wife of Simmons. D & D. Fined 5/- and ordered to find sureties for her good behaviour for 3 months. 1836-40: Four other convictions for drunkenness. Fined 5/- each time. 4 May 1839: Drunk. Fined 5/- (committed Female House of Correction 14 days in default). 26 Dec 1844: Using obscene language. Fined 5/-. 11 Sept 1852: Free cert reissued. (aged 65) (From Philip Tardiff: Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls). Died:? John Simmonds died 1847 in Launceston aged 80: Death Launceston: John Simmonds #846 Launceston rgd 35/16 15/11/1847 17/11/1847 registered Deputy Registrar George Cathcart John Simmonds Male 80 years old (born 1767?) Carpenter Died from decay of nature Informant: Catherine Simmonds HER X MARK Margaret St WIFE Ann SIMONS, eldest daughter of John and Catherine, was born c.1820 ? Launceston? but no birth or baptism is registered… LTN CSO 1/122A P75 REF (BIRTHS/BAPTISMS REGISTER) BUCHANAN BOOK. Ann died on 24 November 1900 at age 80, buried Sheffield as Ann Ewington “Native of Launceston”. Ann Simons married William Keep (Convict - 7 years for housebreaking CONVICT on CLYDE 1 18/12/1830 from Portsmouth convict # 42649 216 male convicts landed) ) married at New River (Where is this?) on 16 March 1836. William Keep died in a well accident at Longford in 1847. General Index AOT: Ann Simmons Age 7 (B.1821); Elizabeth Simmons Age 4 (B.1824), Residence Tamar East, Parent John Simmons Farmer FS (Free By Servitude?) Protestant 1828. [AOT Ref: CSO 1/122a P.75]. I wish to confirm or eliminate the John Simmons below as the same one as above from Ship departures: can anyone help with this?: Simmons John Boatswain Hugh Crawford 26 May 1825 Hobart Port Jackson CSO63/1/1 p143 Simmons John Seaman Mercury 21 Sep 1852 Launceston Melbourne Mercury Free POL220/1/2 p165 Simmons John Seaman Mercury 16 Jul 1852 Launceston Melbourne Mercury Free POL220/1/2 p78 Simmons John Seaman Sally 13 Oct 1825 Hobart New Zealand CSO63/1/1 p166 Also: I want to find out what happened to the PITT shipped convict John Simmonds to eliminate him as the convict who married Catherine Tobin: http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page74.html Lesley Uebel Claim a Convict has: [1] John Simmonds 1797 Ganges London 1792, 7 years, 16 years of age + [2] John Simmonds 1792 Pitt Old Bailey 1791 7 years ------------------------------------------- [1] http://www.historyaustralia.org.au/twconvic/tiki-index.php? page=Ganges+1797 Convicts on the Ganges in 1797 8083? Simmonds, John Convict Steal a silver table spoon First Middlesex Jury 13 April 1791 7 years (If aged 16 in 1792, born 1776, arrived Australia 1797 aged 21, married#1? in 1821 aged 45, died 1847 = 24 + 47 = aged 71. Death notice says aged 80) [2] John Simmons sent on the Pitt in 1792 aged 29 (Thus born c.1763, married 1821 aged 58, died 1847 = 47 + 37 = aged 84. Death notice says aged 80) http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp? path=sessionsPapers%2F17921215.xml end:

A part of Parramatta's convict history will be on display for the first time this weekend at the Heritage Centre's free exhibition focusing on the lives of convict women. Through films, interactives and artefacts, Women Transported documents the women's pioneering work; their involvement in farming, producing export products and in forming our national character. Women Transported at Parramatta Heritage Centre is open 10am - 1700 on Saturdays and Sundays until November 9. Address: 346a Church Street Parramatta.

"Women Transported: Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories," whose national tour opens Aug. 2 at the Parramatta Heritage Centre. Between 1804 and the early 1850s, some 10,000 British women served in one of the 12 female work houses - known as factories - in New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). Theirs is a tale of dislocation and suffering of which few Australians have more than the sketchiest knowledge, yet it's hardly stretching things to call these women the mothers of a nation, or to suggest that it was partly through their struggles that elements of the archetypal Australian character were forged. A common misconception is that most of the convict women were illiterate whores from the criminal class. Not so, according to documents of the time. Prostitution wasn't illegal in Britain in the early part of the 19th century, so it wasn't grounds for transportation. The convicts were no more likely to be illiterate than the Britons who were coming to Australia by choice, and more than 60% of them were transported for a first offence, usually theft. Between them, they brought some 180 trade skills. For the most part, in other words, these people were not horrible. But the conditions they faced often were. In Parramatta, by the 1840s, a Francis Greenway-designed factory built to accommodate 300 was holding 1,200 women, who worked from dawn to dusk on tasks that included stone breaking, spinning, needlework and laundry. Unlike their male counterparts, they were spared the lash. But they were not spared solitary confinement or the indignity of being gagged or having their head shaved for serious misconduct. Now, a new exhibition entitled 'Women Transported - Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories' will provide a unique insight into this part of our nation's history. "Following their arrival in Australia, most female convicts were assigned as household servants. However, if they were being punished for bad behaviour or were simply ill, injured, pregnant, or waiting for an assignment, they were sent to workhouses known as female factories," said Associate Professor Liston. "The conditions were harsh and the women were forced to undertake physically hard domestic chores such as laundering for the military, sewing clothes for convicts, and making the yarn that was to be woven into the woollen and linen cloth that was used for the clothing. "In six months, the women sewed on 50,000 buttons; their work as spinners assisted the development of the wool industry; and many women went on to do the myriad of occupations that kept the country going, such as running farms and businesses and raising families." Women Transported - Life in Australia's Convict Female Factories' will be opened by the Governor on 7 August at Parramatta Heritage Centre, Church Street, Parramatta. >From November 2008, the exhibition will travel to the ACT, Tasmania and Queensland as part of a national tour.

Hi, Sorry that I'm unable to help with your Mary POTTER. Our Mary POTTER came on the 'Mary Ann', one of the Third Fleet. She arrived in Australia in July 1791. She later married John McCLOUD in Hobart, after coming from Norfolk Island with John and children. She was convicted in Devon, England. Wish I'd been able to help more. Regards, Lynne

I have read your convict list with interest. Mary Ann Potter drew my attention, our gg grand mother was Mary Ann Potter convict arrived Sydney 1830 on the Forth 2 from Dublin Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au> To: <Aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] CONVICT ANCESTORS > Hi List, > My daughters compare their Dad's convicts to Mum's & who has the most - > They have both lots! > > Dave's - (the hubby) > Thomas HARRISON - Gilmore 1 > John WELLS - aka MEADOWS - Phoenix 1 > John NEWPORT - Dromedary > Mary WHITEAR - America > James PITSTOCK - L Hungerford > Edwin PICKEN - Agincourt > Stephen HOGGETT - Blundell > William HAWKINS - Andromeda > Benjamin CORBETT - Mt Stew.Ephinstone > Margaret VERNON - Cadet > Catherine WILLIAMS - Sir Robt Seppings > Ellen ALLEN - Midlothian > Robert SMITH - ? Moffat 3 > Mary Ann WALL - Hydery > David RITCHIE - Rodney 1 > Edward HULL - Rodney 1 > > Unknown - Catherine WADE, Mary McMANUS, Mary Ann GILBERT, MOORE, MURRAY, > TUNBRIDGE. > > Mine - > Isaac JACOBS - Atlas > James MAIN - Hibernia > John MCCLOUD - Admiral Barrington > Mary Potter - Mary Ann > Richard CROSBIE - Constant > William EVANS - ? > Jane FORD - Navarino?? > > POSSIBLE - Elizabeth ENO - L Wellington, William WELLS ?? > > UNKNOWN - EDWARDS (from Wiltshire), Alexander ROBERTSON/ROBINSON, Mary Ann > GREEN, James/John/William SYKES, John/Richard NEWMAN, Maria JONES and > father/mother of Maria LORD. > Plus heaps of connections through bro/sis/marriages.... > So - they have 24 direct, 2 possibles and 13 unknowns.... > If I can help anyone with any info - please ask.... > Lynne in Tassie. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gary, I found the following baptisms all before registration. V1846963 31A/1846 HALLAS WILLIAM N WILLIAM BRIDGET V18531598 39A/1853 HALLAS JOSEPH WILLIAM BRIDGET V18531597 39A/1853 HALLAS HARRIET WILLIAM BRIDGET All of these baptisms took place in the Church of England at Willoughby in Sydney. If you live in Brisbane you can look up these baptisms on the microfilm held at the State Library at South Bank as they are only Church records and not registered births, but they probably wouldn't be much help. Plus the following deaths V18586966 122A/1858 HALLAS WILLIAM 955/1858 HALLAS WILLIAM AGE 55 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY (Church of England at Newtown/Camperdown Parish) As your William Hollas was 29 in 1833 when he was tried the age of this man is about right for him to be yours. The death is after civil registration so you could buy this certificate which should list all of his children. If you order through a transcription agent it will be less expensive. I also couldn't find a death record or remarriage for Bridget. I don't think the convict records will help you at all as convict records usually do not list children. There is a convict muster in book form for 1837 which should list William but will only tell you who he was assigned to. This is also held in the Qld State Library, along with Sands Directories for Sydney. I think the Sands Directories start in the early 1860s but not sure about this. There is only one complete census for Australia (1828) which is too early for William. The 1841 census has partially survived but only names the head of the household. There are no other census for Australia surviving. Carol

Hi Gary There are no Musters or Census available for you to check in that time frame. When did Robert die as I cannot find a death in the BDMs that fits You could check the Grevilles Directory for 1872 at http://tinyurl.com/5ravc5 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gary and Donna Parker Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:41 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Convict musters and SANDS directoriesHOLLIS/HALLIS/HALLAS/HALLOS Hello Listers, I am trying to prove a connection between one ancestor and his supposed parents, and I thought maybe the convict musters/census may be able to help me. His name is Robert Hollis, who was born in 1850 at Auburn in Sydney. According to his death certificate his parents were William Hollis and Bridget O'Brien. I have found an application to marry for William Hallas (convict on Lloyds 1833) to Bridget O'Brien (arrived free) along with their marriage in 1844. I have found baptisms for children of this couple but not my ancestor, Robert. I thought I might be able to find him as part of the family on a convict muster or census, but can anyone tell me what years these census/musters were taken? and where I may be able to access them if appropriate. I live in Brisbane. Any other clues/suggestions would be most welcome as I have been stuck on this problem for some time. I am also having trouble finding the deaths of William and Bridget. I am also thinking about SANDS directories etc. What dates do they cover? On a death certificate for a William, it states that he has two sons in Lane Cove, so thought if I could find the sons listed in that area that would be a little more evidence for the file. Gary Gary & Donna Parker PO Box 89 Albany Creek Qld 4035 Australia pH 07 3862 8767 garyndonna@hotmail.com

Hi Julie and thanks for yr e-mail. It certainly would be interesting for a mathematician or statistician to work out the probabilities with respect to relationships/descendants, thats for sure. I was told once (and please don't quote me on exact figures - someone else may know tho') that at a time when Norfolk Islanders came to Tasmania, there were 1500 from Norfolk Islands and approximately 1500 Tasmanian's.... Maybe this is where the "two heads" come from (or the 1/2 brain)? No offence meant, I'm Tassie thru and thru and love it. An example of what you mention - my kids' first cousins, on their father's side, are 5th cousins on their father's wife's side, who shares a g g grandmother with me!! (HOGGETT, CASTLE, McCLOUD) And, also true, is that my mother's sister's husband, is my father's third cousin!! (FORD, SYKES, CROSSIN, LUTTRELL) And many more!!! Anyway thanks - and my offer holds good - if ever I can help anyone. Regards, lynne in Tassie

Hello, I use Ozemail (= iiNet) and recently all email sent to anybody with an OptusNet address was NOT getting through and was coming back undeliverable with 'explanations' as in the below example about why the mail was undeliverable. I think the key is "listed in multi.surbl.org" I suspect his means that OptusNet is using one of the mickey mouse or cowboy blacklisters or self-appointed "Sherrifs" of the internet .. and they decided iiNet is spam. This, also, is not the first time such spurious and very annoying blacklisting has happened. The two ISPs worst for this (for blacklisting other ISPs' outgoing servers), in my experience, have been Bigpond and Optus. Regards, John (in Sydney) """"""""" The following message to <petermead@optusnet.com.au> was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.7.1 URL(s) listed in multi.surbl.org: 104.175.85.209' Final-Recipient: rfc822;petermead@optusnet.com.au Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) Remote-MTA: dns; [211.29.133.14] Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.7.1 URL(s) listed in multi.surbl.org: 104.175.85.209' (delivery attempts: 0) Reporting-MTA: dns; outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out1.iinet.net.au Received: from unknown (HELO hp-pav-8984) ([124.170.165.12]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out1.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 08 Jun 2008 11:53:34 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO hp-pav-8984) ([124.170.165.12]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out1.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 08 Jun 2008 11:53:34 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20080608135329.00a70358@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: john.mail@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:53:29 +1000 To: petermead@optusnet.com.au """"""""" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:22 PM 8/4/2008 +0800, you wrote: >39 of our listers with optusnet addresses have today been unsubscribed >automatically because optusnet appears to have set it's filters to consider >Rootsweb traffic as spam. > >Most other Australian lists are experiencing the same problems. > >So if there are any listers with optusnet addresses still subscribed to this >list can I suggest you contact optus & request Rootsweb addresses be >"whitelisted" ASAP? > >I will of course manually resubscribe all optusnet listers but not until the >fairies at optus remove the blocks on our messages. > >Kim >List Admin > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

39 of our listers with optusnet addresses have today been unsubscribed automatically because optusnet appears to have set it's filters to consider Rootsweb traffic as spam. Most other Australian lists are experiencing the same problems. So if there are any listers with optusnet addresses still subscribed to this list can I suggest you contact optus & request Rootsweb addresses be "whitelisted" ASAP? I will of course manually resubscribe all optusnet listers but not until the fairies at optus remove the blocks on our messages. Kim List Admin

Hello Listers, I am trying to prove a connection between one ancestor and his supposed parents, and I thought maybe the convict musters/census may be able to help me. His name is Robert Hollis, who was born in 1850 at Auburn in Sydney. According to his death certificate his parents were William Hollis and Bridget O'Brien. I have found an application to marry for William Hallas (convict on Lloyds 1833) to Bridget O'Brien (arrived free) along with their marriage in 1844. I have found baptisms for children of this couple but not my ancestor, Robert. I thought I might be able to find him as part of the family on a convict muster or census, but can anyone tell me what years these census/musters were taken? and where I may be able to access them if appropriate. I live in Brisbane. Any other clues/suggestions would be most welcome as I have been stuck on this problem for some time. I am also having trouble finding the deaths of William and Bridget. I am also thinking about SANDS directories etc. What dates do they cover? On a death certificate for a William, it states that he has two sons in Lane Cove, so thought if I could find the sons listed in that area that would be a little more evidence for the file. Gary Gary & Donna Parker PO Box 89 Albany Creek Qld 4035 Australia pH 07 3862 8767 garyndonna@hotmail.com

Hi I am copying this message received on the Lancashire List in case anyone has any interest in any of the convicts named in the extract from the Manchester Times (October 1828). The convicts are: Andrew Liddell, John Edwards, John Collins and Robert Thomson (see below). Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: <arcmikmum@talktalk.net> To: "Manchester" <eng-manchester@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Lancsgen" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [LAN] Manchester Times October 1828 issue 2 Quarter Sessions Tuesday > The Manchester Times > Friday, October 24th 1828 > > Salford Michaelmas Sessions > > Tuesday: > > Andrew LIDDELL, John EDWARDS, John COLLINS and Robert THOMSON, were > charged with picking the pocket of a farmer names HULTON, of twenty three > sovereigns and a half, at Turton fair, on the 4th of September. > Dr BROWN stated the case, and called > Mr HULTON - I was in Turton fair about half-past eleven o'clock on the 4th > September. I had twenty three sovereigns and a half in a bag, in my > left-hand breeches pocket. My nephew Edward CHARNLEY, was with me. There > were seven or eight persons pushing about in the crowd. The prisoner, > LIDDELL, struck me with the back of his hand on the breast, saying "make > way." I then felt THOMSON's hand in my pocket, and missed my money > immediately. COLLINS was then in the crowd with three or four others. > They were pushing amongst the crowd. As soon as I could speak, I said > "mind the man with the cut in his face," (THOMSON). The four prisoners > and three or four others then went away. I pursued them as well as I > could. LIDDELL got on a horse. The others were on foot. I followed them > to a fold in the fair. LIDDELL then got off his horse, and they all went > together in a body behind a cart. I there saw them giving something to > one another out of their pockets, and one man went rou! > nd the corner of a building and disappeared. I stood beside the horse > from which LIDDELL had dismounted, The three other prisoners then passed > on one side. LIDDELL came up to the horse, and I asked him if it was on > sale. He said, yes sir, and I said, I'll take both you and your horse. He > said it was not he that had taken my money. I had not said anything about > money at that time. My nephew came up, and I sent him for a constable. > Jesse MORTON came and took him. After he was taken, I pursued the others. > I was looking for them for more than two hours. I at length found them > coming out of the fair. I met EDWARDS and THOMSON together. I met COLLINS > in less than half an hour afterwards. He was alone at Mr WOODS public > house, in the midst of the fair. They were delivered to the constable. I > am certain they are the men. > Cross-examined by Mr COLTMAN for COLLINS - The fair was pretty full. I was > present when COLLINS was taken up and searched. There were no sovereigns > found upon him. I went with the constable into a room where he was. > Cross-examined by Mr BRANDT for LIDDELL - It was about half-past eleven > that I lost my money. I did not call out that I had lost my money. The > breath was almost knocked out of me. I said mind the man with the cut > face. I am a farmer. I have been in the printing buisness. I have been in > Lancaster, but not for stealing. I never lost sight of the men until they > went behind the cart. LIDDELL was searched. There was some silver found > upon him. > By the Chairman - EDWARDS was pushing and making way in the crowd. I did > not see him do anything particular. > Edward CHARNLEY - I am nephew of the last witness. I was with him at > Turton fair. LIDDELL came up and pushed him on the breast. He pushed me > sideways. I said uncle, have they taken anything from you, for he just > favours a pickpocket. He said, take notice of the man with the marked > face. I did not notice any others but LIDDELL and THOMSON. When I saw > LIDDELL in custody, I knew him to be the same man that had pushed my > uncle. > Cross-examined by Mr COLTMAN - I did not see COLLINS until he appeared > before the magistrate. > Thomas THRELFALL - I was at Turton fair. I saw all the prisoners there > about half-past twelve, except LIDDELL. There were five or six others > with him. I took particular notice of them. I saw them together an hour > and a half. I was present when Thomson was taken. Mr HULTON immediately > identified him. > Jesse MORTON - I am constable of Ainsworth. I was at Turton fair, and was > present when EDWARDS and THOMSON were taken. > Cross-examined - LIDDELL said he came from Liverpool. He was a furniture > broker, and came over on business. He said he bought the horse from one Mr > EDWARDS, of Shaw's Brow, Liverpool, and had come over to sell it at Turton > fair. > This being the case for the prosecution, Mr BRANDT, in behalf of LIDDELL, > called > Peter COLLIER - I live at Pendleton. LIDDELL lived there formerly. He kept > a shop opposite Leaf Square. I knew him for five years. He was a furniture > broker, and removed to Liverpool, where he carried on the same business. > He had the character of an honest man. > Samuel JENKINSON - I have known LIDDELL two years. He always had a good > character, and paid his way. > Thomas ROYLANCE - I have known LIDDELL three or four years. I kept a small > shop next door to him for 12 months. > The Chairman having summed up the evidence, the jury, after a moment's > consultation, found all the prisoners guilty. > In answer to the inquiries of the chairman, Mr BARRETT, the constable of > Bolton, stated that he had received numerous complaints of robberies at > Turton fair. > The Chairman in passing sentence observed, that it was a painful duty > which the court had to perform in a case like this. The prisoners had been > convicted upon evidence which was quite sufficient to justify the verdict > of the jury. From that evidence, it appeared that a body of seven or > eight men had come from a distance to attend a fair for the purpose of > committing robberies. It was the bounden duty of the court, a duty from > which they dared not, and would not shrink, to take care that they (the > prisoners) should not have an opportunity of committing any further > robberies in this country for some time to come. It appeared that COLLINS > had been convicted at the sessions in July, 1825, for stealing from the > person, and was imprisoned for two years in Lancaster Castle. EDWARDS had > also been convicted under the name of Jacob HUGHES, and imprisoned three > months. Of LIDDELL and THOMSON there were no previous account. He should > therefore make a distinction in their sentence! > s. The sentence upon COLLINS was, that he be transported for life, and > upon each of the other three prisoners, that they be severally transported > for fourteen years. > > > The rest of the sessions for tuesday will follow in another email. > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

V1849348 155/1849 CADMAN SAMUEL LATHULEER HENRIETTA H IK V1849207 84/1849 CADMAN SAMUEL LETHULIAN HENRIETTA H IK IK = Wesleyan Methodist, West Maitland The surname obviously has been mis -transcribed. Leanne >

Hi Matthew Did you receive the following email from me as a result of your request to this list last month. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:25 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] George Henry Bliss, arrived 1839 on the Parkfield Hi Matthew Name: George Bliss Arrived: 1839 Transport: Parkfield Age: 20 Education: None (could not read nor write) Religion: Protestant Marital Status: Single Children: None Native place: Kent Occupation: Farm Labourer Crime: Stealing beef Tried: Kent Quarter Sessions When: 3 January 1839 Sentence: Life Previous crimes: 2 months Ticket of Leave: 47/9 Recommended for Conditional Pardon: 30 March 1853 and was Signed & dated 15 April 1854. Gazetted 27 June 1854 As a Lifer, he was not entitled to a Certificate of Freedom. The Parkfield arrived in PJ on 1 September 1839 from England. It was 496 tons. Master was J. T. Whitesides and Surgeon Super. Alexander Neill He did not apply to marry whilst a convict, nor did he marry a serving convict. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Hall Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:55 AM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] George Henry Bliss, arrived 1839 on the Parkfield I'd greatly appreciate any information/indents etc on George Henry Bliss, arrived in NSW in 1839 on board the Parkfield. He ultimately died in Yass in NSW, but I'd like to get a feel for whether he spent time in Sydney and his general time-line., that certificates of freedom, approval to marry etc. may

They are very easy Name .. Lethulier, Henrietta / Harriet LU Codes .. *M*CP*R Arr. .. 1832 Ship .. Burrell (2) Tried .. Middlesex 1831 Sent. .. Life Age .. 22 Crime .. Man robbery Source; The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology and Barbara McCallum was a convict to Tasmania 44305 McCallum Barbara 05 Jun 1846 Emma Eugenia (3) 10 Feb 1846 Portsmouth Source Archives of Tasmania and marriage to Eliija Cadman took place in Tasmania in 1852] Source: Vital Records Index Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of PETER WILLIAMS Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:57 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] female convicts Hi I'm looking for two female convicts 1) Henrietta Lethieullier married a Samuel Cadman also a convict 2) Barbara McCallum married an Elijah Cadman This is all the info I have is there anyone who can help or point me in the right direction please Thanks Pat

Maureen, I have nine so far (all great great grandparents) but possibly more. I need to trace/verify the parents of my great grandmother, Clara Smith, who are almost certainly convicts, that will make 11. Then the parents of my great great grandmother Mary Ann Brown, born in Colony c.1828 are most likely also convicts and will be the earliest arrivals for me in Tasmania. I have four Irish Great great grandparents and I am also yet to find out if if have any surprises ethere as well. > From: moeferris@bordernet.com.au> To: aus-tas-convicts@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:26:40 +1000> Subject: [TAS-CON] How many convict ancestors?> > Hi list,> > I'm just wondering what is the most number of direct line convict ancestors> you all have.> > My husband has 10 can anyone better that?> > Regards> > Maureen Martin Ferris, Pontypool, Tasmania> Administrator AUS-TAS-CONVICTS mailing list> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-TAS-CONVICTS.html> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your input Carol, but that is not my convict. He must not have been counted in that census. I guess many weren't. I'll have to think of another way to track his movements. Thanks Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Wood" <nanawood@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Convict Assignments > Hi Greg, > > The only John Boyd on the 1828 census who arrived in 1827 came on the > Countess of Harcourt. He was aged 24 years. Could this be your man? > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >