Hi again Luke Ralph senior is mentioned on the Redcoats web site at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/ RALPH Luke Enlisted England 1801 Private arrived Transferred Veteran Company 24/4/1810 The reference to the Minorca can be found in the 1828 NSW Census The marriage of Luke junior may be this one - also found in the NSW BDMs V18294713 3B/1829 RALPH LUKE MORRISON JANE CC Buy Now V1829929 13/1829 RALPH LUKE MORISON JANE CC regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joy mcguire Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] How to? Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

There is an entry for him in the BDMs V1808944 4/1808 RALPH LUKE LUKE MARY therefore Luke was the son of Luke and Mary. Luke Ralph came free to the colony on the Minorca in 1801 and you will probably find he arrived as part of the military. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of joy mcguire Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] How to? Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

Joy, While you didn't give any clue as to possible dates you were interested in, your mention of census and musters probably indicates someone in the colony in early times. NSW BDM index on-line has death of a Luke RALPH aged 47, reference V18541774 41A/1854 and the index on the CD (which gives a little more information as regards where an event occurred) gives the detail that it is a Church of England burial from St. John's, Parramatta. The 1854 refers to the year of death. 1774 refers to the number in the church register. 41A is the volume of the church register. At a rough guess this particular entry and time period will be on NSW State Records film 5016 (give or take one film number either way) Registers pre 1856 (when civil registration began) are available in most family history centres, many municipal libraries, etc. They are free to view. You did not state where in Australia you are, but your relevant state library, archives office and/or genealogical society should have copies of these basic research films. Pre 1856 there were only baptism and burial records (rather than birth and death records where a certificate was issued). Burial records at this time will not give parent names or any details re spouse, children, etc. I hope this is helpful. Alison :-) Sydney Oz ---------------------------------------- joy mcguire wrote: > Hello to the list--- > > > > I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information > from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born > in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding > his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this > - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to > research. > > > > >

Hello to the list--- I need direction re a family member "Luke Ralph jnr." ---- have information from Census and Musters re his early life up to around 20 years of age (born in the colony) also his marriage and his children. My problem is finding his birth or death details (have his wife's) --- as the BDM do not show this - do I then search Church records and if so how do I know which Church to research. Would welcome any pointers ---- many thanks Joy.

yes --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Judith Rowe <[email protected]> wrote: From: Judith Rowe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? To: [email protected] Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 1:47 AM Hi there Regarding the Ancestry site could you advise me if you need to be a paid member in order to research details on the site you mentioned. Thanks Judith Rowe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset

I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years ago.Which I thought that I had done. I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed corrections. It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's  only to find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other trees.Yes even the mistakes. I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. Regards Faye --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty Keep <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS To: [email protected], [email protected], "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated as I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I guess one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add to the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong convict attached to one of my lines. Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. Betty Devonport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "List AUS Convicts" <[email protected]>; "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Hi Listers, > > > > My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. > > I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my > ancestors > in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates > which include children born before a parent. > > Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, have a "no > contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the Stories > segment. > > One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of my > parents > sides included. > > Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. > > I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be > fishing > expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. > > Have other Listers encountered these situations? > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Melbourne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset

Hi Joan The convicts per the Hashemy were not given pardons of any type before or 'on' arrival in the colony - they were issued with Tickets of Leave very shortly after arrival. The Tickets that I found were issued about 2 weeks after arrival in 1849 A letter from Earl Grey to Sir Charles Fitz Roy of 1848 states in part: Convicts to be sent in ship Hashemy ------------------------------------------ I have the honour to inform you that 236 convicts, who are described by the Secretary of State for the Home Department to be of a better class, and who have been selected principally from Pentonville and Wakefield Prisons, where they have undergone probationary confinement, will be sent to New South Wales at the same time as this despatch by the ship Hashemy. Tickets of Leave to be issued ---------------------------------- I have enclosed to you in my other communications of this day's date the usual assignment list, together with four separate description lists of these men; and, in conformity with the recommendation of the Secretary of State for the Home Department, I have to instruct you to issue to them Tickets of Leave unless any of them should be guilty of misconduct on the voyage. Conditional pardons subject to payment of cost of transport ----------------------------------------------------------------- None of these men are to be recommended for a Conditional Pardon, unless they may have repaid to the Government the cost of their conveyance, which is to be assumed for this purpose at the sum of twenty pounds; and you will take care that they are distinctly aware that this is a condition to be fulfilled, independently of any evidence required of their good conduct, before any of them can obtain a Conditional Pardon although I need scarcely observe that any regulation of this kind is merely to be received as a part of convict discipline, and cannot be of any force after the expiration of the sentence. HRA regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ged & Joan BARRY Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:03 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip Hi Scott, I had not heard of the Royal Pardon in conjunction with the Exile scheme until your recent letter in reply to Cherylanne. My 2 convicts, Philip Reeves, and his brother George Smith( William Reeves) were sentenced to 15 years in 1847 and arrived on the Hashemy in 1849. They were sent on to Moreton Bay. George was given a Condition Pardon in 1857, Philip wasn't. Why was it necessary to apply for a Condition Pardon if they had already received a Royal Pardon before leaving England? Or did this Pardon only extend to certain Exiles? Regards, Joan

Hi Scott, I had not heard of the Royal Pardon in conjunction with the Exile scheme until your recent letter in reply to Cherylanne. My 2 convicts, Philip Reeves, and his brother George Smith( William Reeves) were sentenced to 15 years in 1847 and arrived on the Hashemy in 1849. They were sent on to Moreton Bay. George was given a Condition Pardon in 1857, Philip wasn't. Why was it necessary to apply for a Condition Pardon if they had already received a Royal Pardon before leaving England? Or did this Pardon only extend to certain Exiles? Regards, Joan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Brown Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 11:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip Cherylanne George COOK alias George Smith per the Anna Maria in 1848. Tried at Abingdon Quarter Session on 29 June 1846 was sentenced to 7 years for stealing wearing apparel and for having a prior (details not provided) conviction. At the time of his trial he was emplyed as a Farm Labourer, his year of birth was given as 1823. In October 1846 he was accepted into the Exils Scheme and sentto Pentonville, entering there on 2 November 1846. He was trained as a Tailor while in Pentonville. Records state that he was married and that he was literate and able to read and write. The Anna Maria left Woolwich in England on 9 March 1848 and travelled via Hobart to arrive at Geelong on 23 June 1848. The ship carried 190 convicts, disembarking 27 at Hobart and 155 Exiles at Geelong, eight additional convicts being forwarded on to Sydney. George Cook was included on the Surgeon Superintendents list of "Exiles who have distinguished themselves by Exemplary conduct during the voyage". George's possesions on the voyage were 1 bag and 1 box plus wearing apparel (from the "Packages List"). He embarked the ship with 4 shillings in his pocket and spent 3 shillings and 11 pence on supplies before the ship departed. He received one penny when he disembarked (his change) [Details from the "Possessions List"]. George's signature appears on this document. There is a Victorian death registration for 1877 for a George Cook, son of John Cook and Martha Smith, birthplace Berkshire, age at death 55 (This matches your George's listed birth year and Native place) but I can not say tat this is definitely your man. There is also a marriage record for a George Cook to an Agnes Donaldson at Portland (Presbyterian) in 1852. Again, without viewing the full certificate I can not say that this is definitely your man. The Exiles scheme was set up in the late 1830's with the aim of provided workers trained in trades felt necessary for the colony and send them to Tasmania to address a labour shortage there. The scheme itself was modelled around the scheme that was used to send the Parkhurst Boys to the colonies (NZ and WA). Convicts could nominate for the scheme or could be nominated. They had to be of reasonable conduct and be under sentence for a minor offence. If they were eligible for the scheme they then had to undergo a period of seclusion in order to reflect upon their misbegotten ways - seclusion could be up to 12 months. They had to demonstrate that they felt remorse for their "life of crime" and show geneuine desire to rehabilitate. They were then trained up in a trade. Once this was completed they were added to the list of convicts recommended for Royal Pardons under te Exiles scheme. The list was then forwarded to Queen Victoria for signature (Royal Assent). Exiles were then to be sent to the colonies. By the time the first ship was chartered for thescheme (the Royal George in 1844) the labour shortage in Tasmania had eased. The British Government was determined to go ahead with the schem, fulfilling the promise made to the convicts who qualified, that they instructed the Governors of the colonies to meet and agree on a proposal for the dispersal of the Exiles as they arrived. The procedure ended up that the ships carrying the Exiles were to first call in at Hobart where they could disembark convicts who were not part of the scheme, take on supplies and then they were to head to Launceston to lay at anchor until advised which colony was going to accept them. Victoria accepted 9 ships between 1844 and 1849. An additional four ships were turned away and had to sail on to Sydney or Brisbane. All up 1724 Exiles were disembarked in the Port Phillip districts. The Exiles were provided with Government support in finding housing and employment, but they had the opton to forgo this assistance and be disembarked to their own devices. Upon disembarking their Pardons took effect and, initially there was no restriction on their movements and if they wished to return to England thay could jump on the next available ship if they could afford the fare. None took this opton, however the possibility of this happened had the government impose the restriction that they were notto return to the United Kingdom until the expiry of their original sentence. Their movement to other colonies or countries was not restricted as long as they did not return to the UK. Scott Brown HistoryAustralia http://www.historyaustralia.org.au P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cherylanne Bailey Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip Hi Greetings from Newcastle I am a newby to this list so hello I have recently been informed that my 4 x G Grandfather is possibly the George COOK alias George SMITH who was convicted at Berkshire Quarter Sessions (Abingdon) on 29 June 1846 for a term of 7 years. I tried to search using Google to ascertain what Gaol he would have ended up in without success but believe what what info follows that he initially went to either Millbank, Parkhurst or Pentonville Prison. I do know he at some point after conviction he became part of the Exile Ships Scheme. Victorian Shipping records (Australia) has revealled the arrival of a George COOK aboard the ship "Anna Maria" in 1848 from England to Port Phillip. Apparently he appears part of the Scheme introduced whereby very well behaved and better class prisoners in Millbank, Parkhurst and Pentonville Prisons in England were offered the chance to come to Australia, as convicts, but as soon as they stepped on land they were free, on condition that they didn't return to England during the period of their conviction. They had to have been very well behaved to be considered and offered this chance. They were allowed to bring belongings and money, and many did very well after they arrived. The exiles actually received a Royal Pardon before embarking, and only nine ships ever actually came out - all referred to now as 'the exile ships'. The scheme only went from 1844 to 1849, and some ships offloaded at Launceston, others at Melbourne or Geelong. So my question are would there be any further records in existence detailing the reason he was convicted and from where he originated? Can anyone offer any information in relation to the Exile Ships Scheme. Can anyone offer any advice as to how I can prove or disprove that this gentleman is is in fact my George? I look forward to hearing from you or anyone in fact that may be able to help. Regards Cherylanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, Tony and all on the list who has so generously given of their time to answer my questions. What a very informative list you are - very much appreciated. Only 48 hours ago I have to say that even as an Aussie I had absolutely no knowledge that there ever was an Exile Scheme but now have that much information I'm all but drowning in it!!! So very wonderful. Now Carol in relation to proving whether or not the George listed as arriving aboard the Anna Maria is indeed my George, I am indeed working backwards. Unable to find any George COOK emigrating to NSW pre 1850 (either assisted or unassisted) that fitted the fact my George (according to his Death Certificates was born in 1823 somewhere in England - yes, that's what's on the DC - to parents William COOK and Charlotte FOSTER., the George COOK alias George SMITH which was transported on the Anna Maria in 1848 (having been born 1823) certainly fitted the profile. HOWEVER, my George married in 1851 and the marriage register does not not he was previously married, nor does his DC detail he was a convict with 2 wives, not one. So, guess I am stuck until I get his baptismal records (hopefully this will happen in next month or so) and that way I can either prove or disprove this gentleman is in fact my George COOK. I appreciate all the advice, assistance and info given to me in such a short space of time Truly Truly appreciate. Kind regards Cherylanne ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:45:30 +1000 From: "Carol Wood" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, This is what the Qld State Library Convict database has to say about him, most of which information you already have. Title: Cook, George Description: George Cook, one of 190 convicts transported on the Anna Maria, 06 March 1848 Sentence Details: Convicted at Berkshire. Abingdon Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years on 29 June 1846. Conditional Pardon. Vessel: Anna Maria (Ship) Date of Departure: 06 March 1848 Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land or Port Phillip Alias(es): Smith, George (Alias) Subject(s): Convicts - Australia - Registers Australia - Genealogy Source: Australian Joint Copying Project Microfilm Roll 92, Class and Piece Number HO11/15, Page Number 265 (134) Creator: Great Britain. Home Office Publisher: State Library of Queensland Digital ID: ctr-011077 Rights: Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2. 5 Australia License Is Part Of: Convict Transportation Register. As for proving whether or not he is your George, I assume you have worked backwards from yourself and found that you have a g grandfather named George Cook. Was he single or married when he arrived? You will have to compare ages and get marriage certificates and death certificates which list the names of his children. Hope he didn't marry under the name of George Smith or you might have a problem (grin). Cheers, Carol

Cherylanne George COOK alias George Smith per the Anna Maria in 1848. Tried at Abingdon Quarter Session on 29 June 1846 was sentenced to 7 years for stealing wearing apparel and for having a prior (details not provided) conviction. At the time of his trial he was emplyed as a Farm Labourer, his year of birth was given as 1823. In October 1846 he was accepted into the Exils Scheme and sentto Pentonville, entering there on 2 November 1846. He was trained as a Tailor while in Pentonville. Records state that he was married and that he was literate and able to read and write. The Anna Maria left Woolwich in England on 9 March 1848 and travelled via Hobart to arrive at Geelong on 23 June 1848. The ship carried 190 convicts, disembarking 27 at Hobart and 155 Exiles at Geelong, eight additional convicts being forwarded on to Sydney. George Cook was included on the Surgeon Superintendents list of "Exiles who have distinguished themselves by Exemplary conduct during the voyage". George's possesions on the voyage were 1 bag and 1 box plus wearing apparel (from the "Packages List"). He embarked the ship with 4 shillings in his pocket and spent 3 shillings and 11 pence on supplies before the ship departed. He received one penny when he disembarked (his change) [Details from the "Possessions List"]. George's signature appears on this document. There is a Victorian death registration for 1877 for a George Cook, son of John Cook and Martha Smith, birthplace Berkshire, age at death 55 (This matches your George's listed birth year and Native place) but I can not say tat this is definitely your man. There is also a marriage record for a George Cook to an Agnes Donaldson at Portland (Presbyterian) in 1852. Again, without viewing the full certificate I can not say that this is definitely your man. The Exiles scheme was set up in the late 1830's with the aim of provided workers trained in trades felt necessary for the colony and send them to Tasmania to address a labour shortage there. The scheme itself was modelled around the scheme that was used to send the Parkhurst Boys to the colonies (NZ and WA). Convicts could nominate for the scheme or could be nominated. They had to be of reasonable conduct and be under sentence for a minor offence. If they were eligible for the scheme they then had to undergo a period of seclusion in order to reflect upon their misbegotten ways - seclusion could be up to 12 months. They had to demonstrate that they felt remorse for their "life of crime" and show geneuine desire to rehabilitate. They were then trained up in a trade. Once this was completed they were added to the list of convicts recommended for Royal Pardons under te Exiles scheme. The list was then forwarded to Queen Victoria for signature (Royal Assent). Exiles were then to be sent to the colonies. By the time the first ship was chartered for thescheme (the Royal George in 1844) the labour shortage in Tasmania had eased. The British Government was determined to go ahead with the schem, fulfilling the promise made to the convicts who qualified, that they instructed the Governors of the colonies to meet and agree on a proposal for the dispersal of the Exiles as they arrived. The procedure ended up that the ships carrying the Exiles were to first call in at Hobart where they could disembark convicts who were not part of the scheme, take on supplies and then they were to head to Launceston to lay at anchor until advised which colony was going to accept them. Victoria accepted 9 ships between 1844 and 1849. An additional four ships were turned away and had to sail on to Sydney or Brisbane. All up 1724 Exiles were disembarked in the Port Phillip districts. The Exiles were provided with Government support in finding housing and employment, but they had the opton to forgo this assistance and be disembarked to their own devices. Upon disembarking their Pardons took effect and, initially there was no restriction on their movements and if they wished to return to England thay could jump on the next available ship if they could afford the fare. None took this opton, however the possibility of this happened had the government impose the restriction that they were notto return to the United Kingdom until the expiry of their original sentence. Their movement to other colonies or countries was not restricted as long as they did not return to the UK. Scott Brown HistoryAustralia http://www.historyaustralia.org.au P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cherylanne Bailey Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip Hi Greetings from Newcastle I am a newby to this list so hello I have recently been informed that my 4 x G Grandfather is possibly the George COOK alias George SMITH who was convicted at Berkshire Quarter Sessions (Abingdon) on 29 June 1846 for a term of 7 years. I tried to search using Google to ascertain what Gaol he would have ended up in without success but believe what what info follows that he initially went to either Millbank, Parkhurst or Pentonville Prison. I do know he at some point after conviction he became part of the Exile Ships Scheme. Victorian Shipping records (Australia) has revealled the arrival of a George COOK aboard the ship "Anna Maria" in 1848 from England to Port Phillip. Apparently he appears part of the Scheme introduced whereby very well behaved and better class prisoners in Millbank, Parkhurst and Pentonville Prisons in England were offered the chance to come to Australia, as convicts, but as soon as they stepped on land they were free, on condition that they didn't return to England during the period of their conviction. They had to have been very well behaved to be considered and offered this chance. They were allowed to bring belongings and money, and many did very well after they arrived. The exiles actually received a Royal Pardon before embarking, and only nine ships ever actually came out - all referred to now as 'the exile ships'. The scheme only went from 1844 to 1849, and some ships offloaded at Launceston, others at Melbourne or Geelong. So my question are would there be any further records in existence detailing the reason he was convicted and from where he originated? Can anyone offer any information in relation to the Exile Ships Scheme. Can anyone offer any advice as to how I can prove or disprove that this gentleman is is in fact my George? I look forward to hearing from you or anyone in fact that may be able to help. Regards Cherylanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cherylanne Bailey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile Ships Scheme from England to Port Phillip > Hi > Greetings from Newcastle > > I am a newby to this list so hello > > I have recently been informed that my 4 x G Grandfather is possibly > the George COOK alias George SMITH who was convicted at Berkshire > Quarter Sessions (Abingdon) on 29 June 1846 for a term of 7 years. > > I tried to search using Google to ascertain what Gaol he would have > ended up in without success but believe what what info follows that > he initially went to either Millbank, Parkhurst or Pentonville > Prison. I do know he at some point after conviction he became part > of the Exile Ships Scheme. Victorian Shipping records (Australia) > has revealled the arrival of a George COOK > aboard the ship "Anna Maria" in 1848 from England to Port Phillip. > Hi Cherylann While not this ship yesterday someone posted some info on another 'exiles' ship on TheShipsList, that also went to Melbourne. Thought it might be of general interest to you ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: [TSL] Literature in a convict-ship > > Came across the following, which may be of interest to > somebody.......... > From The Illustrated London News, January 16th, 1847 > The Thomas Arbuthnot, convict ship, Captain Thompson, sailed from > Spithead > on Sunday morning, the 10th, for Port Philip, with a superior class > of > delinquents, officially called "exiles." These are the first > "exiles" sent to the > above settlement, which the inhabitants of that respectable place > are very > wroth at, and have memorialised the Government on the subject. The > most > ingenious trades and professions are carried on, on board this > ship; in fact, all > trades in vogue have their representatives on board. The most > ingenious affair, > however, is a newspaper in manuscript, published every Saturday, > having its > foreign and domestic correspondence, advertisements, and, indeed, > all the > necessary accessories to an apparently well-conducted journal. The > articles are > well-written, and the arrangements well made. The name of this > paper is the > Citadel, and the conductors dub the captain of the ship "the > governor." The > Citadel, having no opponents, enjoys a large circulation. The > editor is a man > who has been of considerable note in the legitimate literary world; > but all > names and circumstances in connection with their present position > are strictly > preserved secret with regard to those "exiles," the great majority > of whom > are juvenile offenders from the Millbank, Pentonville and Parkhurst > prisons. > ................ > Regards, > Tony > > > > > ------------------------------- > visit TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > ------------------------------- There is a book on Exiles/ Convicts to VIC .............. Possibly be in Newcastle City Library HTH Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

The Exiles to Victoria did indeed receive Royal Pardons. Copies of the Royal Assent papers are in the Collection of Public Record Office Victoria. There is also material with more information relating to the individuals. When I am at home I will send you further details regarding this man from the PROV papers, copies of which I have in my collection. The Pardons did not originally have any restrictions preventing return to England but following the arrival of the second (of 9) ships to go to the Port Phillip Districts the colonial Government did impose the restriction that the Exiles could not return to the United Kingdom until the expiration of their original sentence. This has been a specific area of research for me for five years now and, if you are in Melbourne, I am giving a talk about the Exiles at the Sussex Neighbourhood House Family History Open Day on 6 September. This is a free event being run as part of Adult Education week. Details can be found at http://historyaustralia.org.au Scott Brown On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:45:30 +1000, "Carol Wood" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > This is what the Qld State Library Convict database has to say about him, > most of which information you already have. > > Title: Cook, George > Description: George Cook, one of 190 convicts transported on the Anna > Maria, > 06 March 1848 > Sentence Details: Convicted at Berkshire. Abingdon Quarter Sessions for a > term of 7 years on 29 June 1846. Conditional Pardon. > Vessel: Anna Maria (Ship) > > Date of Departure: 06 March 1848 > > Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land or Port Phillip > Alias(es): Smith, George (Alias) > Subject(s): Convicts - Australia - Registers > Australia - Genealogy > Source: Australian Joint Copying Project Microfilm Roll 92, Class and > Piece > Number HO11/15, Page Number 265 (134) > Creator: Great Britain. Home Office > Publisher: State Library of Queensland > Digital ID: ctr-011077 > Rights: Licensed under the Creative Commons > Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2. 5 Australia License > Is Part Of: Convict Transportation Register. > > > You will see it says Conditional Pardon. I had not heard that the exiles > received Royal Pardons before they left England. If they had received a > Royal Pardon they would have been able to return to England as free men. > I > have doubts about this piece of information. Do you have a copy of the > Conditional Pardon? You should also look up the Convict Indent for the > Anna > Maria. The Indent is just another name for the passenger list, and see > what > that has to say about him. Most large libraries should hold this Indent. > > All I know about the Exile scheme is that Australia was refusing to take > convicts by this time so England had to revise its methods of sending > convicts. Some exiles ships came to Brisbane because NSW refused to let > them land in Sydney. > > To find out more about his trial you could probably contact the Public > Records Office in Berkshire and see if the trial papers have survived. > Try > the Genuki site for Berkshire and also Free BMD site for his birth. > > As for proving whether or not he is your George, I assume you have worked > backwards from yourself and found that you have a g grandfather named > George > Cook. Was he single or married when he arrived? You will have to compare > ages and get marriage certificates and death certificates which list the > names of his children. Hope he didn't marry under the name of George > Smith > or you might have a problem (grin). > > Cheers, > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, This is what the Qld State Library Convict database has to say about him, most of which information you already have. Title: Cook, George Description: George Cook, one of 190 convicts transported on the Anna Maria, 06 March 1848 Sentence Details: Convicted at Berkshire. Abingdon Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years on 29 June 1846. Conditional Pardon. Vessel: Anna Maria (Ship) Date of Departure: 06 March 1848 Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land or Port Phillip Alias(es): Smith, George (Alias) Subject(s): Convicts - Australia - Registers Australia - Genealogy Source: Australian Joint Copying Project Microfilm Roll 92, Class and Piece Number HO11/15, Page Number 265 (134) Creator: Great Britain. Home Office Publisher: State Library of Queensland Digital ID: ctr-011077 Rights: Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2. 5 Australia License Is Part Of: Convict Transportation Register. You will see it says Conditional Pardon. I had not heard that the exiles received Royal Pardons before they left England. If they had received a Royal Pardon they would have been able to return to England as free men. I have doubts about this piece of information. Do you have a copy of the Conditional Pardon? You should also look up the Convict Indent for the Anna Maria. The Indent is just another name for the passenger list, and see what that has to say about him. Most large libraries should hold this Indent. All I know about the Exile scheme is that Australia was refusing to take convicts by this time so England had to revise its methods of sending convicts. Some exiles ships came to Brisbane because NSW refused to let them land in Sydney. To find out more about his trial you could probably contact the Public Records Office in Berkshire and see if the trial papers have survived. Try the Genuki site for Berkshire and also Free BMD site for his birth. As for proving whether or not he is your George, I assume you have worked backwards from yourself and found that you have a g grandfather named George Cook. Was he single or married when he arrived? You will have to compare ages and get marriage certificates and death certificates which list the names of his children. Hope he didn't marry under the name of George Smith or you might have a problem (grin). Cheers, Carol

Hi Greetings from Newcastle I am a newby to this list so hello I have recently been informed that my 4 x G Grandfather is possibly the George COOK alias George SMITH who was convicted at Berkshire Quarter Sessions (Abingdon) on 29 June 1846 for a term of 7 years. I tried to search using Google to ascertain what Gaol he would have ended up in without success but believe what what info follows that he initially went to either Millbank, Parkhurst or Pentonville Prison. I do know he at some point after conviction he became part of the Exile Ships Scheme. Victorian Shipping records (Australia) has revealled the arrival of a George COOK aboard the ship "Anna Maria" in 1848 from England to Port Phillip. Apparently he appears part of the Scheme introduced whereby very well behaved and better class prisoners in Millbank, Parkhurst and Pentonville Prisons in England were offered the chance to come to Australia, as convicts, but as soon as they stepped on land they were free, on condition that they didn't return to England during the period of their conviction. They had to have been very well behaved to be considered and offered this chance. They were allowed to bring belongings and money, and many did very well after they arrived. The exiles actually received a Royal Pardon before embarking, and only nine ships ever actually came out - all referred to now as 'the exile ships'. The scheme only went from 1844 to 1849, and some ships offloaded at Launceston, others at Melbourne or Geelong. So my question are would there be any further records in existence detailing the reason he was convicted and from where he originated? Can anyone offer any information in relation to the Exile Ships Scheme. Can anyone offer any advice as to how I can prove or disprove that this gentleman is is in fact my George? I look forward to hearing from you or anyone in fact that may be able to help. Regards Cherylanne

Many thanks Stan. I am looking further. Janice Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Elgood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Tasmanian Convict > Hi Janice, > > Have you looked at the Tasmanian Archives website which is very > informative. > There is a Robert Martin departing Launceston for Adelaide on 26-1-1849 > aboard the ship Tamar. > > However, he is listed as 'born in the colonies'. > > You could also try listing your query on the Tasmanian rootsweb list > [email protected] > > Good luck with your search, > Lyn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Janice Taylor" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:03 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Tasmanian Convict > > >> Can anyone suggest where I might find more info on a convict Robert >> Martin, guilty of stealing at Tautan Courts, deported to Tasmania >> 14/4/1838 on the Lord William Bentink. He was the father of 10. >> Pardoned >> 28/12/1845 and then shows up as purchasing land in South Australia, Clare >> District. >> >> I am looking for a way of finding his movements from Tassi to SA and how >> to find his death. >> >> Any suggestions would be welcome. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Janice Taylor >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janice, Have you looked at the Tasmanian Archives website which is very informative. There is a Robert Martin departing Launceston for Adelaide on 26-1-1849 aboard the ship Tamar. However, he is listed as 'born in the colonies'. You could also try listing your query on the Tasmanian rootsweb list [email protected] Good luck with your search, Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janice Taylor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Tasmanian Convict > Can anyone suggest where I might find more info on a convict Robert > Martin, guilty of stealing at Tautan Courts, deported to Tasmania > 14/4/1838 on the Lord William Bentink. He was the father of 10. Pardoned > 28/12/1845 and then shows up as purchasing land in South Australia, Clare > District. > > I am looking for a way of finding his movements from Tassi to SA and how > to find his death. > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Many thanks, > > Janice Taylor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Try the following :- http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/AboutSydney/HistoryAndArchives/OldSydneyB urialGround.asp#DL Hope it works? Regards Janet -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 8:37 PM To: List PJ Convicts; List AUS Convicts; [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] CATHOLIC CEMETERY-SYDNEY Hi List, In 1860 my GGG grandmother was buried in Sydney in the "CATHOLIC CEMETERY". She lived at Chippendale so could this be the Catholic section of the Sandhills or Devonshire St. Cemetery? Or would there have been a cemetery attached to St. Benedicts? I have tried several times with email enquiries to the Catholic Cemeteries Board but they do not respond. If the burial was at Devonshire St any remains would have been removed to another location when Central Railway Station was constructed. Is there any directory as to where individual remains may have been reinterred? Cheers Peter Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM

Peter I have a copy of "Sydney Burial Ground 1819-1901" by Keith A Johnson and Malcolm R Sainty (2001). This includes transcripts of the re-interment registers from the Devonshire cemetery. If you send me the name of your ggg grandmother I shall check the list - there might be some information if this is where she was originally buried. Regards Jan Daly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss Sent: 25 August 2008 20:37 To: List PJ Convicts; List AUS Convicts; [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] CATHOLIC CEMETERY-SYDNEY Hi List, In 1860 my GGG grandmother was buried in Sydney in the "CATHOLIC CEMETERY". She lived at Chippendale so could this be the Catholic section of the Sandhills or Devonshire St. Cemetery? Or would there have been a cemetery attached to St. Benedicts? I have tried several times with email enquiries to the Catholic Cemeteries Board but they do not respond. If the burial was at Devonshire St any remains would have been removed to another location when Central Railway Station was constructed. Is there any directory as to where individual remains may have been reinterred? Cheers Peter Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, In 1860 my GGG grandmother was buried in Sydney in the "CATHOLIC CEMETERY". She lived at Chippendale so could this be the Catholic section of the Sandhills or Devonshire St. Cemetery? Or would there have been a cemetery attached to St. Benedicts? I have tried several times with email enquiries to the Catholic Cemeteries Board but they do not respond. If the burial was at Devonshire St any remains would have been removed to another location when Central Railway Station was constructed. Is there any directory as to where individual remains may have been reinterred? Cheers Peter Melbourne

Can anyone suggest where I might find more info on a convict Robert Martin, guilty of stealing at Tautan Courts, deported to Tasmania 14/4/1838 on the Lord William Bentink. He was the father of 10. Pardoned 28/12/1845 and then shows up as purchasing land in South Australia, Clare District. I am looking for a way of finding his movements from Tassi to SA and how to find his death. Any suggestions would be welcome. Many thanks, Janice Taylor