What a stroke of irony! I was just on Ancestry when a window came up saying I had been randomly chosen for a survey. There was a place at the end to tell them what I thought of the site. I have just raised the issue with them and given them a "blast" about this issue. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Robyn, a fair proportion of those of us who are retired and at last have the time and interest to do our family's genealogy are close to our use by date. Unfortunately once we drop off the twig there is no chance of contacting us to ammend records that appeared to be correct on the date they were entered. Perhaps Ancestry need to look at how to address the problem. Max -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Gross Date: 1/09/2008 9:32:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Listers, This use of unattributed material is not restricted memebrs of Ancestry.com Some of my material is posted unattributed, on a site by a researcher to whom I freely gave my research as it related to the name and region that he was researching, in an effort to assist his researches. Later he actaully refered me to his site to check for inforamtion on this family, even denying the site was maintained by him. A sharp publicly listed rebuke still bought no apology. At least the information was correct as at that date. I have not informed him of later removals etc as proof of the research mounted. The LDS site also has many ancestral files and pedigree files including my relations with incorrect parents, spouses etc. Have tried contacting the people posting the information with copies of the documentation refuting their entries, again no correction of the data. BEWARE, VERIFY ALL INTERNET INFORMATION!!! Robyn in Wodonga > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kim Where did you get his birth and parent details from? There is no record on Scotlands People of the birth of a John McCarter (or McArthur) to Thomas and Fanny (or Frances) - in Dundee or elsewhere in Scotland between 1800 and 1854. This doesn't necessarily mean that your details are wrong. The pre-1855 birth and marriage records are sourced from the parish records of the (established) Church of Scotland. Pre-1855 Roman Catholic and other Church records are not on the Scotland's People site - yet. They are promised. I couldn't find a record for a marriage for Thomas and Fanny (Frances) either. "Fanny" is not a very Scottish usage. It tends to appear more in England. Numbers of McCarters in the 1841 Scotland Census were born in Ireland. So it could be that your Thomas and Fanny were Irish born, and married in Ireland? Was your John a Catholic? Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Max, I don't think Ancestry care. It is a very big money making business and the more information that is submitted to them for free the more they have to offer their paying customers. Whether the information is right or wrong or whether people can be contacted or not is of no concern to them, the main object is to make money! The only way not to have your information copied is to not put it in the public domain in the first place. There are of course legal issues with copyright but it's all so expensive to pursue and so hard to prove that nobody much bothers. Carol

I guess I will just add to the complaints. I had a distant "maternal relative" steal my tree and add it to theirs, including all my living relatives etc on my paternal line as well as the maternal line even though they had no connection. This was also on GenesReuntied - I have since marked it private but the damage is done. I think these people are like bower birds and just collect to increase the size of their "tree". Like Julie I find the majority of people very helpful but it is a pity there are a few who spoil it for everyone. Cheers Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "JULIE MACDONALD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >I sympathise with everyone who has had their research stolen and or >misrepresented. I belong to Ancestry and have had amazing results from it. >I have not put my tree up as I had a bad experience with Genesreunited when >a relative copied my entire tree on to hers. I didn't mind that the family >we had in common was copied but not only did she copy her line but all my >lines and my husband's as well, something that has made me very reluctant >to share again my tree; and sadly that defeats the purpose of the website. >I have also seen my research up on Ancestry under someone elses name and as >another contributor said it is a very expensive exercise gathering >documents and photos together to find them stolen by others. I would >support the view that private trees and their related documents and photos >not be in the public arena. > Fortunately in my experience, 33 years, I mainly find 99% of people you > contact helpful, friendly and honest and the rest just the opposite. I > cannot understand why anyone would want to steal research when I have > always found the greatest pleasure is the pursuit of that elusive ancestor > and nothing can match the joy of the breakthrough, the clue that pops up > in a census or will etc, those robbers will never experience the sense of > achievement we have all experienced in the honest pursuit of our family > members. > > Julie MacDonald > > Barbara Sowter <[email protected]> wrote: > I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the > photos etc. are open to all and sundry. > > I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree > private if you don't want people to copy. > > The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the > end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way. > > Cheers > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Ferguson " > To: ; > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > >> This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. >> >> My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with >> 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own >> information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual >> (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every >> document, >> photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as >> her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it >> seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to >> collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! >> Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of >> work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) >> "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from >> public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had >> been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why >> should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. >> >> I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, >> and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't >> even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time >> ago). >> I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up >> to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is >> two way thing isn't it? >> >> Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she >> would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a >> profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't >> mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some >> "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and >> not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs >> money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over >> time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! >> >> There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an >> objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? >> >> Kerri >> >> Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through >> Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of faye lucas >> Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> >> I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years >> ago.Which I thought that I had done. >> I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed >> corrections. >> It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. >> Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to >> provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't >> have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . >> In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to >> find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other >> trees.Yes even the mistakes. >> I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. >> Regards >> Faye >> >> --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep wrote: >> >> From: Betty Keep >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> To: [email protected], [email protected], "List PJ >> Convicts" >> Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM >> >> Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated >> as >> I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I >> guess >> one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add >> to >> the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong >> convict >> attached to one of my lines. >> Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. >> >> Betty >> Devonport >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Strauss" > >> To: ; "List AUS Convicts" >> ; "List PJ Convicts" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM >> Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> >>> >>> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. >>> >>> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my >>> ancestors >>> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates >>> which include children born before a parent. >>> >>> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, >> have a "no >>> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the >> Stories >>> segment. >>> >>> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of >> my >>> parents >>> sides included. >>> >>> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. >>> >>> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be >>> fishing >>> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. >>> >>> Have other Listers encountered these situations? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Melbourne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: >> 8/30/2008 >> 5:18 PM >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. >> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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I was sent a CD by a frienn and I found my fmaily tree on it and quite a lot of others and I cannot find out who made the CD but they had it on sale on EB and when they found out I am complaining they took it off. My friend cannot find out who did it but it has thousands on it. At the moment I am too sick to do anyting about it. Best Wishes from Marie Please: do not send me photos or pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Yes Kerri > My whole Book was kidnapped and their > name placed as the author and once again no contact > very rude > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10590e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 > Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:19:24 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >

Hi Robyn, a fair proportion of those of us who are retired and at last have the time and interest to do our family's genealogy are close to our use by date. Unfortunately once we drop off the twig there is no chance of contacting us to ammend records that appeared to be correct on the date they were entered. Perhaps Ancestry need to look at how to address the problem. Max -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Gross Date: 1/09/2008 9:32:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Listers, This use of unattributed material is not restricted memebrs of Ancestry.com Some of my material is posted unattributed, on a site by a researcher to whom I freely gave my research as it related to the name and region that he was researching, in an effort to assist his researches. Later he actaully refered me to his site to check for inforamtion on this family, even denying the site was maintained by him. A sharp publicly listed rebuke still bought no apology. At least the information was correct as at that date. I have not informed him of later removals etc as proof of the research mounted. The LDS site also has many ancestral files and pedigree files including my relations with incorrect parents, spouses etc. Have tried contacting the people posting the information with copies of the documentation refuting their entries, again no correction of the data. BEWARE, VERIFY ALL INTERNET INFORMATION!!! Robyn in Wodonga > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, No you don't have to be a paid up member of Ancestry to access the Worldconnect site (www.ancestry.com.au) Just put the name in the search box and everything will come up. Carol

Hi Listers, This use of unattributed material is not restricted memebrs of Ancestry.com Some of my material is posted unattributed, on a site by a researcher to whom I freely gave my research as it related to the name and region that he was researching, in an effort to assist his researches. Later he actaully refered me to his site to check for inforamtion on this family, even denying the site was maintained by him. A sharp publicly listed rebuke still bought no apology. At least the information was correct as at that date. I have not informed him of later removals etc as proof of the research mounted. The LDS site also has many ancestral files and pedigree files including my relations with incorrect parents, spouses etc. Have tried contacting the people posting the information with copies of the documentation refuting their entries, again no correction of the data. BEWARE, VERIFY ALL INTERNET INFORMATION!!! Robyn in Wodonga >

I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the photos etc. are open to all and sundry. I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree private if you don't want people to copy. The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way. Cheers Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. > > My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with > 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own > information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual > (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every document, > photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as > her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it > seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to > collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! > Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of > work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) > "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from > public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had > been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why > should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. > > I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, > and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't > even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time ago). > I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up > to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is > two way thing isn't it? > > Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she > would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a > profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't > mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some > "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and > not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs > money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over > time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! > > There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an > objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? > > Kerri > > Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through > Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of faye lucas > Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years > ago.Which I thought that I had done. > I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed > corrections. > It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. > Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to > provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't > have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . > In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to > find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other > trees.Yes even the mistakes. > I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. > Regards > Faye > > --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Betty Keep <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > To: [email protected], [email protected], "List PJ > Convicts" <[email protected]> > Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM > > Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated > as > I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I > guess > one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add > to > the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong > convict > attached to one of my lines. > Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. > > Betty > Devonport > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "List AUS Convicts" > <[email protected]>; "List PJ Convicts" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > >> Hi Listers, >> >> >> >> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. >> >> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my >> ancestors >> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates >> which include children born before a parent. >> >> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, > have a "no >> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the > Stories >> segment. >> >> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of > my >> parents >> sides included. >> >> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. >> >> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be >> fishing >> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. >> >> Have other Listers encountered these situations? >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> Melbourne >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 > 5:18 PM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes Kerri My whole Book was kidnapped and their name placed as the author and once again no contact very rude Christene E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10590e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every document, photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time ago). I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is two way thing isn't it? Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? Kerri Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of faye lucas Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years ago.Which I thought that I had done. I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed corrections. It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other trees.Yes even the mistakes. I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. Regards Faye --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty Keep <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS To: [email protected], [email protected], "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated as I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I guess one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add to the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong convict attached to one of my lines. Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. Betty Devonport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "List AUS Convicts" <[email protected]>; "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Hi Listers, > > > > My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. > > I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my > ancestors > in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates > which include children born before a parent. > > Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, have a "no > contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the Stories > segment. > > One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of my > parents > sides included. > > Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. > > I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be > fishing > expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. > > Have other Listers encountered these situations? > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Melbourne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Yes "colaborate with" and "given"  to are some of your key words. I too have given much information ,Photos Certificates and received  help many times and  It was  truelly appreciated.Sharing between genies is very common and we appreciate it. But when it is put out there and is incorrect and they will not correct it ........... HAPPY HUNTING, Faye --- On Mon, 1/9/08, Matthew Hall <[email protected]> wrote: From: Matthew Hall <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS To: [email protected] Received: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 12:00 AM I do have my family tree out there, like many of us, and have found that I'd rather have my correct tree 'out there' to balance all the other inaccurate trees. I realise that many trees are on-line that were prepared quite a while back, and their owners are no longer around to emend them, but that's while I'd prefer to make mine available on-line (and it's updated regularly). I consider my family tree not to be mine, but to belong to everyone in that tree, and I share it freely as such. I've spent considerable amounts finding out about the details of some ancestors, but for others a distant relative has shared everything they have with me and i've not spent a cent. I'd hate to think I was secreting my family history and that others out there are reinventing that same wheel. If it weren't for those I've happily stumbled across (some on this mailing list) my tree would be a far less interesting one. Family history research can be expensive - I now have happy collaborations with common descendents on a few lines, where we take turns when money or time need to be spent. While i'm yet to have a negative experience, whenever I worry about handing over my hard-earned information, I think about all the wonderful things others have given to me without a second thought. cheers matt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset

I do have my family tree out there, like many of us, and have found that I'd rather have my correct tree 'out there' to balance all the other inaccurate trees. I realise that many trees are on-line that were prepared quite a while back, and their owners are no longer around to emend them, but that's while I'd prefer to make mine available on-line (and it's updated regularly). I consider my family tree not to be mine, but to belong to everyone in that tree, and I share it freely as such. I've spent considerable amounts finding out about the details of some ancestors, but for others a distant relative has shared everything they have with me and i've not spent a cent. I'd hate to think I was secreting my family history and that others out there are reinventing that same wheel. If it weren't for those I've happily stumbled across (some on this mailing list) my tree would be a far less interesting one. Family history research can be expensive - I now have happy collaborations with common descendents on a few lines, where we take turns when money or time need to be spent. While i'm yet to have a negative experience, whenever I worry about handing over my hard-earned information, I think about all the wonderful things others have given to me without a second thought. cheers matt

Yes Same here A lady has kidnapped my father in law who died 1985 and given him 5 wives..different kids .......and her email bounces...very disconcerting Christene E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10590e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated as I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I guess one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add to the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong convict attached to one of my lines. Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. Betty Devonport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "List AUS Convicts" <[email protected]>; "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Hi Listers, > > > > My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. > > I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my > ancestors > in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates > which include children born before a parent. > > Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, have a "no > contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the Stories > segment. > > One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of my > parents > sides included. > > Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. > > I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be > fishing > expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. > > Have other Listers encountered these situations? > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Melbourne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 5:18 PM

Hi Listers, My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my ancestors in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates which include children born before a parent. Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, have a "no contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the Stories segment. One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of my parents sides included. Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be fishing expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. Have other Listers encountered these situations? Cheers Peter Melbourne

Hi there Regarding the Ancestry site could you advise me if you need to be a paid member in order to research details on the site you mentioned. Thanks Judith Rowe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for your responses. Cheers Joy

Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/[email protected]@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. [email protected] Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol

It is very disheartening - all this. I have never submitted any trees to ancestry - or online - and never will. The copying and corruption can be wicked. Sources are not there. E-mail addresses are out of date or faulty. I have belonged to ancestry and its parents for almost 10 years. It is good for its copied records, not for family trees. Verify everything! I have registered a few surnames on Rootsweb. I deal only with online, location lists and local genealogy/historical societies. From these sources people can contact me. Jane in Los Angeles **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)