Dear Kim, I suppose you've purchased the relevant certificates from BDM NSW which will give you further information. I see that John and Isabella were married in Newcastle in 1859. Their children were born there, Francis in 1859 and John in 1861 with John passing away in 1928 in Newcastle as well. If you work your way back you should find what really happened for yourself without relying on the stories from your Uncles. The marrige cerificate, for example, should give you the birthplace of the bride and groom as well as the name and occupation of their fathers. Hope this helps, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, I would be interested in obtaining a copy of a photoe of the convict ship Hercules and have googled it relentlessly until until I finally gave up. Can anyone suggest a site where it is depicted? regards Max

Hello List, I would be interested in obtaining a copy of a photoe of the convict ship Hercules and have googled it relentlessly until until I finally gave up. Can anyone suggest a site where it is depicted. regards Max

I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems to be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as birth/marriage/death records are concerned. I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so far as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a John McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a John McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there is sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for her, other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I cant view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay for something that might not even be relevant. If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just disappear without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so much appreciate it. Cheers Kim

Hey Max, it's what I do best!! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 1:13 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Go kerry sic em girl -------Original Message------- From: Kerri Ferguson Date: 1/09/2008 1:09:06 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS What a stroke of irony! I was just on Ancestry when a window came up saying I had been randomly chosen for a survey. There was a place at the end to tell them what I thought of the site. I have just raised the issue with them and given them a "blast" about this issue. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:12 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Robyn, a fair proportion of those of us who are retired and at last have the time and interest to do our family's genealogy are close to our use by date. Unfortunately once we drop off the twig there is no chance of contacting us to ammend records that appeared to be correct on the date they were entered. Perhaps Ancestry need to look at how to address the problem. Max -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Gross Date: 1/09/2008 9:32:49 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Listers, This use of unattributed material is not restricted memebrs of Ancestry.com Some of my material is posted unattributed, on a site by a researcher to whom I freely gave my research as it related to the name and region that he was researching, in an effort to assist his researches. Later he actaully refered me to his site to check for inforamtion on this family, even denying the site was maintained by him. A sharp publicly listed rebuke still bought no apology. At least the information was correct as at that date. I have not informed him of later removals etc as proof of the research mounted. The LDS site also has many ancestral files and pedigree files including my relations with incorrect parents, spouses etc. Have tried contacting the people posting the information with copies of the documentation refuting their entries, again no correction of the data. BEWARE, VERIFY ALL INTERNET INFORMATION!!! Robyn in Wodonga > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, I think unless you are a member you only get a little bit of info. You have to pay for the details. Unless i am wrong and I would like to be. Every time I try to down load it says I have to join and offers me package deals. Being a Pensioner that cant happen unless I give up food altogether! Karen Melbourne.

Go kerry sic em girl -------Original Message------- From: Kerri Ferguson Date: 1/09/2008 1:09:06 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS What a stroke of irony! I was just on Ancestry when a window came up saying I had been randomly chosen for a survey. There was a place at the end to tell them what I thought of the site. I have just raised the issue with them and given them a "blast" about this issue. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:12 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Robyn, a fair proportion of those of us who are retired and at last have the time and interest to do our family's genealogy are close to our use by date. Unfortunately once we drop off the twig there is no chance of contacting us to ammend records that appeared to be correct on the date they were entered. Perhaps Ancestry need to look at how to address the problem. Max -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Gross Date: 1/09/2008 9:32:49 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Hi Listers, This use of unattributed material is not restricted memebrs of Ancestry.com Some of my material is posted unattributed, on a site by a researcher to whom I freely gave my research as it related to the name and region that he was researching, in an effort to assist his researches. Later he actaully refered me to his site to check for inforamtion on this family, even denying the site was maintained by him. A sharp publicly listed rebuke still bought no apology. At least the information was correct as at that date. I have not informed him of later removals etc as proof of the research mounted. The LDS site also has many ancestral files and pedigree files including my relations with incorrect parents, spouses etc. Have tried contacting the people posting the information with copies of the documentation refuting their entries, again no correction of the data. BEWARE, VERIFY ALL INTERNET INFORMATION!!! Robyn in Wodonga > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

Hi Kim I have just sent you a copy of a page of references to John McCarter alias McCarthur that I found in the Scottish National archives (NAS). I think this is the same John that Jan mentioned in one of her emails. However I see that this John McCarter tried in Edinburgh in 1832 was the son of John McCarthur, joiner. He was aged 14 and born in Edinburgh. (In a later document he is referred to as son of Hugh McCarthur, joiner). He was found guilty in the High Court of Edinburgh on 12 March 1832 of theft, habit and repute and sentenced to 14 years transportation. Best wishes Rhoda

Hi Carol and everyone who answered my question. Thank you all for your time, the help is much appreciated. In regards to the Ancestry Web Page Discussion I have been watching with interest the dialogue on the Ancestry webpage and as I am only fairly new to this site I hope no one minds my posting a reply. After reading all of the emails I believe that yes you do need to verify things just to satisfy your own mind BUT most importantly I believe that all of the listers of this site who have had a bad experience with the Ancestry web site should forward their emails onto Ancestry today. Putting myself in their shoes, I would most certainly become very concerned if I was receiving heaps of emails complaining of site problems. I also think that at the start of your emails to Ancestry you begin with the heading. Complaint regarding the Ancestry web site. I think from memory, if a complaint is put into writing than it has only a limited time where it must be replied to, so please also ask for a response by return email and also there must be some type of regulartory body that copies of these emails sent to Ancestry can also be sent to as well. After reading the emails I would most certainly NOT put my family tree onto their site, if I become a member with them. Thanks to everyone for the sharing and it just makes us all realise that we must always remain vigilant even when we don't think we should have to do that. Regards Judith Rowe In a very windy St Helens ---- Carol Wood <nanawood@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi, > > No you don't have to be a paid up member of Ancestry to access the > Worldconnect site (www.ancestry.com.au) Just put the name in the search box > and everything will come up. > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol and everyone who answered my question. Thank you all for your time, the help is much appreciated. In regards to the Ancestry Web Page Discussion I have been watching with interest the dialogue on the Ancestry webpage and as I am only fairly new to this site I hope no one minds my posting a reply. After reading all of the emails I believe that yes you do need to verify things just to satisfy your own mind BUT most importantly I believe that all of the listers of this site who have had a bad experience with the Ancestry web site should forward their emails onto Ancestry today. Putting myself in their shoes, I would most certainly become very concerned if I was receiving heaps of emails complaining of site problems. I also think that at the start of your emails to Ancestry you begin with the heading. Complaint regarding the Ancestry web site. I think from memory, if a complaint is put into writing than it has only a limited time where it must be replied to, so please also ask for a response by return email and also there must be some type of regulartory body that copies of these emails sent to Ancestry can also be sent to as well. After reading the emails I would most certainly NOT put my family tree onto their site, if I become a member with them. Thanks to everyone for the sharing and it just makes us all realise that we must always remain vigilant even when we don't think we should have to do that. Regards Judith Rowe In a very windy St Helens ---- Carol Wood <nanawood@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi, > > No you don't have to be a paid up member of Ancestry to access the > Worldconnect site (www.ancestry.com.au) Just put the name in the search box > and everything will come up. > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Max, I must be getting OLD! How much more can the world get "abbreviated"! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 11:39 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS my guess is Ebay -------Original Message------- From: Kerri Ferguson Date: 09/01/08 11:38:02 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Pardon my ignorance but what is "EB" please? Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of heartseas Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:24 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS I was sent a CD by a frienn and I found my fmaily tree on it and quite a lot of others and I cannot find out who made the CD but they had it on sale on EB and when they found out I am complaining they took it off. My friend cannot find out who did it but it has thousands on it. At the moment I am too sick to do anyting about it. Best Wishes from Marie Please: do not send me photos or pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Yes Kerri > My whole Book was kidnapped and their > name placed as the author and once again no contact > very rude > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10590e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 > Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:19:24 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some people hey?? You wonder why they put their email to things if they are just going to be a pain in the.... Cheers Liz On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Kim and Daz <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > On a different note, but kinda the same subject .... wow I am making sense > today!! > > I have a tree on there and when I looked at other peoples trees I saw that > someone had my grandfather listed, so I had a look and the person had quite > a few mistakes in their tree, the glaring one to me was that they had my > grandfathers brother listed as his son. I sent her a really nice message > saying that it was an error and that I had all the brothers birth dates, > marriage dates, deaths, illnesses etc and that I would be happy to send > them > along and perhaps we could figure out how we are related. > > Unfortunately I got a very rude message back saying I didn't know what I > was > talking about, to get my facts straight etc etc. I again tried to explain > that Alfred was my grandfather and Eric his brother, not his son and that > if > Eric was his son, that would make him my Dads brother which isn't the case > - > I then got an even ruder message - so I just gave up! > >

I too had a relative of a relative (No connection to me) take all my information from Genes Reunited and add it to their tree - without first asking. I don't mind sharing family information with any genuine member of my family tree but if I've gone to years of trouble (and expense) doing the research I feel they should at least have the couyrtesy to ask first before printing all in the public domain. Well, that's my dummy spit for the day. The other problem is totally incorrrect info on the IGI -no way of fixing it but it must be confusing. Sp far, I've not had a problem on Ancestry but thanks for making me aware. Aharon> From: tand3867@bigpond.net.au> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:55:40 +1000> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> > I guess I will just add to the complaints. I had a distant "maternal > relative" steal my tree and add it to theirs, including all my living > relatives etc on my paternal line as well as the maternal line even though > they had no connection. This was also on GenesReuntied - I have since marked > it private but the damage is done. I think these people are like bower birds > and just collect to increase the size of their "tree".> > Like Julie I find the majority of people very helpful but it is a pity there > are a few who spoil it for everyone.> > Cheers> Tom> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JULIE MACDONALD" <juliemacd@xtra.co.nz>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:42 AM> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> > > >I sympathise with everyone who has had their research stolen and or > >misrepresented. I belong to Ancestry and have had amazing results from it. > >I have not put my tree up as I had a bad experience with Genesreunited when > >a relative copied my entire tree on to hers. I didn't mind that the family > >we had in common was copied but not only did she copy her line but all my > >lines and my husband's as well, something that has made me very reluctant > >to share again my tree; and sadly that defeats the purpose of the website. > >I have also seen my research up on Ancestry under someone elses name and as > >another contributor said it is a very expensive exercise gathering > >documents and photos together to find them stolen by others. I would > >support the view that private trees and their related documents and photos > >not be in the public arena.> > Fortunately in my experience, 33 years, I mainly find 99% of people you > > contact helpful, friendly and honest and the rest just the opposite. I > > cannot understand why anyone would want to steal research when I have > > always found the greatest pleasure is the pursuit of that elusive ancestor > > and nothing can match the joy of the breakthrough, the clue that pops up > > in a census or will etc, those robbers will never experience the sense of > > achievement we have all experienced in the honest pursuit of our family > > members.> >> > Julie MacDonald> >> > Barbara Sowter <barbara.sowter@bigpond.com> wrote:> > I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the> > photos etc. are open to all and sundry.> >> > I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree> > private if you don't want people to copy.> >> > The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the> > end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way.> >> > Cheers> > Barbara> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerri Ferguson "> > To: ;> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> >> >> >> This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain.> >>> >> My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with> >> 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own> >> information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual> >> (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every > >> document,> >> photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as> >> her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it> >> seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to> >> collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply!> >> Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of> >> work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both)> >> "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from> >> public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had> >> been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why> >> should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us.> >>> >> I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found,> >> and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't> >> even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time > >> ago).> >> I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up> >> to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is> >> two way thing isn't it?> >>> >> Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she> >> would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a> >> profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't> >> mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some> >> "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and> >> not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs> >> money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over> >> time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything!> >>> >> There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an> >> objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together?> >>> >> Kerri> >>> >> Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through> >> Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think.> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com> >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of faye lucas> >> Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM> >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> >>> >> I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years> >> ago.Which I thought that I had done.> >> I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed> >> corrections.> >> It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified.> >> Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to> >> provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't> >> have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore .> >> In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to> >> find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other> >> trees.Yes even the mistakes.> >> I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply.> >> Regards> >> Faye> >>> >> --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep wrote:> >>> >> From: Betty Keep> >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com, AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com, "List PJ> >> Convicts"> >> Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM> >>> >> Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated> >> as> >> I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I> >> guess> >> one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add> >> to> >> the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong> >> convict> >> attached to one of my lines.> >> Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted.> >>> >> Betty> >> Devonport> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peter Strauss"> >> >> To: ; "List AUS Convicts"> >> ; "List PJ Convicts"> >>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM> >> Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS> >>> >>> >>> Hi Listers,> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday.> >>>> >>> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my> >>> ancestors> >>> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates> >>> which include children born before a parent.> >>>> >>> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume,> >> have a "no> >>> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the> >> Stories> >>> segment.> >>>> >>> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of> >> my> >>> parents> >>> sides included.> >>>> >>> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted.> >>>> >>> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be> >>> fishing> >>> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale.> >>>> >>> Have other Listers encountered these situations?> >>>> >>> Cheers> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Peter> >>>> >>> Melbourne> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -------------------------------> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe'> >> without the> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> >>> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: > >> 8/30/2008> >> 5:18 PM> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >>> >>> >> Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7.> >> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >>> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1644 - Release Date: 8/31/2008 > 4:59 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers A few years ago when I was starting out on this journey of discovery about my family, I had heard of all the trouble people were having by putting their Family Tree online and being stolen. I have not done so, I only have my Grandparents, Gr Grandparents & Gr Gr Grandparents. Just their Names year of birth & the Place of birth. If I do get contacted, I will screen very carefully who I send my information to and up to date I have not had any problems (touch wood). I don't mind sharing my information, but why should someone else get the credit when I have done all the work spending hours on the computer and buying certificate's and so on. I like all of the listers that have contributed their dislike for plagiarism, I have always promised my relatives that I would not put information on the Internet and it is very annoying that other people do. Well I have had my gripe for the day Regards Lynette

I sympathise with everyone who has had their research stolen and or misrepresented. I belong to Ancestry and have had amazing results from it. I have not put my tree up as I had a bad experience with Genesreunited when a relative copied my entire tree on to hers. I didn't mind that the family we had in common was copied but not only did she copy her line but all my lines and my husband's as well, something that has made me very reluctant to share again my tree; and sadly that defeats the purpose of the website. I have also seen my research up on Ancestry under someone elses name and as another contributor said it is a very expensive exercise gathering documents and photos together to find them stolen by others. I would support the view that private trees and their related documents and photos not be in the public arena. Fortunately in my experience, 33 years, I mainly find 99% of people you contact helpful, friendly and honest and the rest just the opposite. I cannot understand why anyone would want to steal research when I have always found the greatest pleasure is the pursuit of that elusive ancestor and nothing can match the joy of the breakthrough, the clue that pops up in a census or will etc, those robbers will never experience the sense of achievement we have all experienced in the honest pursuit of our family members. Julie MacDonald Barbara Sowter <barbara.sowter@bigpond.com> wrote: I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the photos etc. are open to all and sundry. I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree private if you don't want people to copy. The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way. Cheers Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " To: ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. > > My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with > 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own > information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual > (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every document, > photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as > her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it > seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to > collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! > Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of > work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) > "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from > public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had > been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why > should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. > > I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, > and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't > even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time ago). > I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up > to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is > two way thing isn't it? > > Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she > would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a > profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't > mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some > "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and > not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs > money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over > time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! > > There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an > objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? > > Kerri > > Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through > Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of faye lucas > Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years > ago.Which I thought that I had done. > I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed > corrections. > It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. > Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to > provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't > have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . > In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to > find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other > trees.Yes even the mistakes. > I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. > Regards > Faye > > --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep wrote: > > From: Betty Keep > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com, AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com, "List PJ > Convicts" > Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM > > Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated > as > I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I > guess > one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add > to > the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong > convict > attached to one of my lines. > Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. > > Betty > Devonport > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Strauss" > To: ; "List AUS Convicts" > ; "List PJ Convicts" > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > >> Hi Listers, >> >> >> >> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. >> >> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my >> ancestors >> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates >> which include children born before a parent. >> >> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, > have a "no >> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the > Stories >> segment. >> >> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of > my >> parents >> sides included. >> >> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. >> >> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be >> fishing >> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. >> >> Have other Listers encountered these situations? >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> Melbourne >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: 8/30/2008 > 5:18 PM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On a different note, but kinda the same subject .... wow I am making sense today!! I have a tree on there and when I looked at other peoples trees I saw that someone had my grandfather listed, so I had a look and the person had quite a few mistakes in their tree, the glaring one to me was that they had my grandfathers brother listed as his son. I sent her a really nice message saying that it was an error and that I had all the brothers birth dates, marriage dates, deaths, illnesses etc and that I would be happy to send them along and perhaps we could figure out how we are related. Unfortunately I got a very rude message back saying I didn't know what I was talking about, to get my facts straight etc etc. I again tried to explain that Alfred was my grandfather and Eric his brother, not his son and that if Eric was his son, that would make him my Dads brother which isn't the case - I then got an even ruder message - so I just gave up! -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Anderson Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:56 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS I guess I will just add to the complaints. I had a distant "maternal relative" steal my tree and add it to theirs, including all my living relatives etc on my paternal line as well as the maternal line even though they had no connection. This was also on GenesReuntied - I have since marked it private but the damage is done. I think these people are like bower birds and just collect to increase the size of their "tree". Like Julie I find the majority of people very helpful but it is a pity there are a few who spoil it for everyone. Cheers Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "JULIE MACDONALD" <juliemacd@xtra.co.nz> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >I sympathise with everyone who has had their research stolen and or >misrepresented. I belong to Ancestry and have had amazing results from it. >I have not put my tree up as I had a bad experience with Genesreunited when >a relative copied my entire tree on to hers. I didn't mind that the family >we had in common was copied but not only did she copy her line but all my >lines and my husband's as well, something that has made me very reluctant >to share again my tree; and sadly that defeats the purpose of the website. >I have also seen my research up on Ancestry under someone elses name and as >another contributor said it is a very expensive exercise gathering >documents and photos together to find them stolen by others. I would >support the view that private trees and their related documents and photos >not be in the public arena. > Fortunately in my experience, 33 years, I mainly find 99% of people you > contact helpful, friendly and honest and the rest just the opposite. I > cannot understand why anyone would want to steal research when I have > always found the greatest pleasure is the pursuit of that elusive ancestor > and nothing can match the joy of the breakthrough, the clue that pops up > in a census or will etc, those robbers will never experience the sense of > achievement we have all experienced in the honest pursuit of our family > members. > > Julie MacDonald > > Barbara Sowter <barbara.sowter@bigpond.com> wrote: > I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the > photos etc. are open to all and sundry. > > I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree > private if you don't want people to copy. > > The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the > end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way. > > Cheers > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Ferguson " > To: ; > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > >> This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. >> >> My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with >> 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own >> information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual >> (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every >> document, >> photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as >> her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it >> seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to >> collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! >> Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of >> work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) >> "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from >> public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had >> been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. Why >> should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. >> >> I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, >> and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't >> even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time >> ago). >> I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping up >> to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is >> two way thing isn't it? >> >> Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she >> would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a >> profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't >> mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some >> "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and >> not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It costs >> money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over >> time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! >> >> There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an >> objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? >> >> Kerri >> >> Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through >> Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of faye lucas >> Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> >> I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years >> ago.Which I thought that I had done. >> I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed >> corrections. >> It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. >> Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to >> provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't >> have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . >> In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to >> find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other >> trees.Yes even the mistakes. >> I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. >> Regards >> Faye >> >> --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep wrote: >> >> From: Betty Keep >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com, AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com, "List PJ >> Convicts" >> Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM >> >> Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated >> as >> I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I >> guess >> one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add >> to >> the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong >> convict >> attached to one of my lines. >> Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. >> >> Betty >> Devonport >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Strauss" > >> To: ; "List AUS Convicts" >> ; "List PJ Convicts" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM >> Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> >>> >>> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. >>> >>> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my >>> ancestors >>> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates >>> which include children born before a parent. >>> >>> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, >> have a "no >>> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the >> Stories >>> segment. >>> >>> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of >> my >>> parents >>> sides included. >>> >>> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. >>> >>> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be >>> fishing >>> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. >>> >>> Have other Listers encountered these situations? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Melbourne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: >> 8/30/2008 >> 5:18 PM >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. >> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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my guess is Ebay -------Original Message------- From: Kerri Ferguson Date: 09/01/08 11:38:02 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS Pardon my ignorance but what is "EB" please? Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of heartseas Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:24 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS I was sent a CD by a frienn and I found my fmaily tree on it and quite a lot of others and I cannot find out who made the CD but they had it on sale on EB and when they found out I am complaining they took it off. My friend cannot find out who did it but it has thousands on it. At the moment I am too sick to do anyting about it. Best Wishes from Marie Please: do not send me photos or pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Yes Kerri > My whole Book was kidnapped and their > name placed as the author and once again no contact > very rude > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10590e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 > Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:19:24 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is all very sad these days when others just copy what others have researched and then try and pass it off as their own research. I, too, have found my family information on the net and the excuse was that the information was public domain! thing is the birth details of my siblings it NOT public domain at present and will not be for many years to come. You will find that some of these *contributors* have tens of thousands of names up and many of these are not even connected to their families. Some harvest information found on the net.... and on Mailing Lists and because of this you should take care about the type of information you share. One should also be cautious about adding family information to web sites, which is why, on my web site, I only allow people to add their email address to convicts. There have always been the 'doers' and the' takers' in life, and since the invention of computers, theft of family history information has become rife. It is just so easy to copy and paste. I find information I have transcribed on many lists with absolutely no attribution at all. It is a sad day indeed when a few ruin it for others. There are also those who take information on an extensive basis i.e. copy complete CDs and then put the information up on the net as their own.. or try to. It is for this reason that some will no longer make available anything on a CD and are compelled to produce a book instead as a book is far more difficult to copy. CD piracy is widespread and some have complete disregard for copyright. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

I must be unlucky then as I see some photos of my father's family on Ancestry, but I can't access them as they are private.. would love to know how to LOL. Cheers Liz On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Barbara Sowter <barbara.sowter@bigpond.com>wrote: > I've had the same problem--so made mine a private tree--only to find the > photos etc. are open to all and sundry. > > I wrote to Ancestry with no real answer--they said to just make your tree > private if you don't want people to copy. > > The person who copies my tree got a very unkind letter from me in the > end --to which she answered--most upset at being treated that way. > > Cheers > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> > To: <fayelucas@yahoo.com>; <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > > > This ANCESTRY thing is a real pain. > > > > My experience is this. I don't really care if people have trees with > > 'wrong' information on them as everyone should be verifying their own > > information for themselves. But I became aware of a certain individual > > (and it is a Sydney woman) who was just simply downloading every > document, > > photograph and piece of information from my own tree and claiming it as > > her own. I wrote a very courteous and kind letter and told her that it > > seemed we have might have a connection and asked if she would like to > > collaborate and exchange information etc. You guessed it - no reply! > > Totally ignored me. It infuriated me to be doing hundreds of hours of > > work only to have some person who is too cheap or too lazy (or both) > > "using" me this way. I have tried everything to get my tree removed from > > public view and have only "invited' people access it and thought I had > > been successful but only last night found it is still open to anyone. > Why > > should these "leeches" ruin something for the rest of us. > > > > I enjoy my visits to Ancestry as an extra part of my research. I found, > > and was reunited with my family through one of these sites and I didn't > > even know the relatives existed (due to a family dispute a long time > ago). > > I think Ancestry should sort out this problem. They should be keeping > up > > to their part of the contract agreed to when one signs up. A contract is > > two way thing isn't it? > > > > Meanwhile, the person plagiarising my tree (and I wouldn't mind if she > > would just have some courtesy about it an answer my messages) has a > > profile on Ancestry. Maybe it's time she was named and shamed. I don't > > mind who uses my information as we are all in this together and some > > "genies" can be all too "precious". But I do object to being "used" and > > not even acknowledged as the owner of the photos, documents etc. It > costs > > money to obtain a document and this can be a very expensive hobby over > > time - what a sneaky way to avoid "paying" for anything! > > > > There's power in numbers - is it possible for this site to lodge an > > objection with Ancestry and tell them to get their act together? > > > > Kerri > > > > Having said all that, I have had contact with some lovely people through > > Ancestry so there are only a few bad apples I think. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of faye lucas > > Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 4:33 PM > > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > > > I have a similiar experience tried to delete my tree several years > > ago.Which I thought that I had done. > > I deleted it because I found out that it had several things that needed > > corrections. > > It was therefore easier to delete it and start over once verified. > > Then only to find that it still appeared.Ancestry said that I need to > > provide the URL's that some relatives had seen the tree on and I didn't > > have acess to them (Ancestry) anymore . > > In a fit of anger I rejoined so I could at least find the URL's only to > > find that my information have been picked apart and inserted into other > > trees.Yes even the mistakes. > > I am busy trying to correct it but some people don't reply. > > Regards > > Faye > > > > --- On Sun, 31/8/08, Betty Keep <b.keep@tassie.net.au> wrote: > > > > From: Betty Keep <b.keep@tassie.net.au> > > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com, AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com, "List PJ > > Convicts" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 2:18 AM > > > > Hi All - I have experienced the same thing too, and am most frustrated > > as > > I have no way of contacting anyone to sort out the discrepancies. I > > guess > > one way would be to lodge your own tree, but then that would probably add > > to > > the confusion. I have one situation where 'whoever' has the wrong > > convict > > attached to one of my lines. > > Ideas for solutions would be gratefully accepted. > > > > Betty > > Devonport > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Strauss" <pstrauss@aapt.net.au> > > To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com>; "List AUS Convicts" > > <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com>; "List PJ Convicts" > > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:58 PM > > Subject: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > > > > >> Hi Listers, > >> > >> > >> > >> My children gave me a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday. > >> > >> I have found several ambiguous tree owners listing a number of my > >> ancestors > >> in their trees with many of the names incorrect and also incorrect dates > >> which include children born before a parent. > >> > >> Generally these "ambiguous names" hide behind a non de plume, > > have a "no > >> contact" stipulation and do not respond to queries raised in the > > Stories > >> segment. > >> > >> One has 10 "Public" Family trees listed with people from both of > > my > >> parents > >> sides included. > >> > >> Only one has responded to "Stories" inserted. > >> > >> I am not sure of the purpose of such listings, although they may be > >> fishing > >> expeditions looking to make up bogus family trees for sale. > >> > >> Have other Listers encountered these situations? > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> Melbourne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1643 - Release Date: > 8/30/2008 > > 5:18 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. > > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pardon my ignorance but what is "EB" please? Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of heartseas Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:24 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS I was sent a CD by a frienn and I found my fmaily tree on it and quite a lot of others and I cannot find out who made the CD but they had it on sale on EB and when they found out I am complaining they took it off. My friend cannot find out who did it but it has thousands on it. At the moment I am too sick to do anyting about it. Best Wishes from Marie Please: do not send me photos or pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > Yes Kerri > My whole Book was kidnapped and their > name placed as the author and once again no contact > very rude > Christene > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10590e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 > Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:19:24 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message