Do you know which Port "Hercules" arrived at? If so, some kind person might look at art galleries, local history centres , libraries etc. and photograph any painting they may find. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Bancroft" <maxwell1@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Photoe of convict ship Hercules > Hi Carol, I thought may be photoes of paintings of the ships somewhere. > many thanks > Max > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Carol Wood > Date: 2/09/2008 4:31:08 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Photoe of convict ship Hercules > > Hi Max, > > Not many photos of convict ships as most were well before photography. The > Mitchell Library has a data base of all ships' pictures, mostly paintings, > but not many convict ships amongst them. > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, I thought may be photoes of paintings of the ships somewhere. many thanks Max -------Original Message------- From: Carol Wood Date: 2/09/2008 4:31:08 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Photoe of convict ship Hercules Hi Max, Not many photos of convict ships as most were well before photography. The Mitchell Library has a data base of all ships' pictures, mostly paintings, but not many convict ships amongst them. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sue, I guess you already have the death certificate of your great grandfather X 2. This will tell you his birthplace and will usually give a break up of how long he lived in each state and his overall length of time in Australia. With the information you've already discovered you should be able to verify whether or not he was the convict described. Good luck, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Ahrens" <sue.ahrens@ntlworld.com> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert McLean, Neptune 1849-50 > Dear list, > > Does anyone have any information about what happened to the convict Robert > McLean, Neptune 1849-50, after he reached Melbourne in 1851? > > He might or might not be my gg-grandfather Robert Lean, whose arrival in > Australia remains an unresolved mystery to me. Since coming across this > Robert McLean a couple of days ago, I have been thinking about what sorts > of > evidence I could look for that might at least show that he isn't my > ancestor, such as did this Robert stay in Victoria, did he marry, did he > have children etc? > > Here's all I know so far. > > The Queensland Library database says that Robert McLean was: > "one of 289 convicts transported on the Neptune, 18 April 1849 > Sentence Details: Convicted at Court Martial, St Johns Newfoundland for a > term of 7 years. Ticket of Leave. > Vessel: Neptune (Ship) > Date of Departure: 18 April 1849 > Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land" > > The Tasmanian archives say, under Convicts: > "[Database no. 46410] McLean Robert [Date of arrival] 05 Apr 1850 Neptune > (2) [Date of departure] 21 Feb 1850 [Port of departure] Cape of Good Hope > [Remarks] Conditional pardon on arrival" > and under Departures: > "McLean Robert Steerage [Ship of departure] Shamrock [Date of departure] > 19 > Feb 1851 [Port of departure] Launceston [Where bound] Melbourne [Ship to > Colony] Neptune [Status] Conditional Pardon > > The Ancestry database 'Convicts transported 1849-50' says that the date of > Robert's Court Martial was 21 Oct 1845. > > According to the blog http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/ on 29 Aug > 08 - the writer is really telling the story of the Irish revolutionary > John > Mitchel, convicted of treason and on that ship - the Neptune landed its > convicts in Van Diemens Land only after attempting to offload (at least > some > of?) them in South Arica. After a stand-off of several months, this > attempt > was successfully resisted by the British settlers there. > > Hope someone out there knows a bit more, especially about Robert's life > post-1851. > > Thanks for reading this. > Sue > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Max, My convict was also transported on the Hercules and I have been looking for a picture of it for ages. I've found out enough to know that the HMS Hercules on the ships pictures website is not the right ship. According to the Convict Ships book, the transport Hercules was built at Whitby, whereas the HMS Hercules was built somewhere else, can't remember offhand. There were at least two ships named Hercules in the Lloyd's List at the time (1832). If you ever do find a picture of the right one, please let me know. You're more likely than me to be succesful as you're a bit closer to the sources. Best wishes Liz in very soggy rainy Lincolnshire _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/

Sue You could get a copy of the Ticket of Leave and/or Certificate of Freedom for the convict Robert MacLean. These would probably show his place of birth. Best wishes Liz _________________________________________________________________ Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/

[I don't know why or how, but the message I sent an hour or so ago seems to have arrived at the list with some bits missing. So here's another try (but I've removed the copies of previous messages in the thread, to keep it simple and hopefully problem-free).] Hi Jan, Yes, I have my Robert Lean's death certificate and his marriage cert and his wife's death certificate and the birth certificates of 6 of their 7 children. >From these, I know for sure that he was in Victoria by Nov 1852 (date of marriage) and that he died in Victoria in Feb 1900. Place of birth is given as Bodmin, Cornwall on the birth certs of two of the children - simply Cornwall or England on other certs. Stated ages imply probable year of birth between 1827 and 1832, although I have not been able to find this in any records from Cornwall, despite numerous attempts. Arrival in Victoria is consistent with what I know about the convict Robert McLean. I have to say that the possible birth years for my Robert do cast some doubt on the theory that these two might be the same person, as Robert McLean was convicted in Canada in 1845 - would he have been under 20 at the time? So to get any further with my comparison, I reckon I need to know a few more definite facts about the convict Robert McLean, such as where was he born, when did he die, when did he marry etc. Actually, on looking just now at the marriage certificate of my Robert, I was reminded that he couldn't write at the time - signed as Robert Lean his mark. So if anyone has the convict indent for Robert McLean, and if that says he could read and write, then I would probably call this a wild goose chase and give up on it. (Just hoping - long shot, I guess - that someone on this list already knows these things about Robert McLean!) Sue

try Melbourne state library may help you Jessie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Bancroft" <maxwell1@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Photoe of convict ship Hercules > Hello List, I would be interested in obtaining a copy of a photoe of the > convict ship Hercules and have googled it relentlessly until until I > finally gave up. Can anyone suggest a site where it is depicted? > regards > Max > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Kim, John McCarter also known as M'Arthur or M'Carter is on my data base of convicts assigned to the Cory Family of Paterson's Plains, see my web-page at www.thomasl.com/cory From my files this John M'Carter arrived on the Hercules in 1832 and was assigned to Edward G Cory as a boy convict. This meant that E G Cory was responsible for teaching him some useful skills. He was 16 when he arrived. Cheers, Jocelyn Lloyd

Hi Jan, Yes, I have my Robert Lean's death certificate and his marriage cert and his wife's death certificate and the birth certificates of 6 of their 7 children. >From these, I know for sure that he was in Victoria by Nov 1852 (date of marriage) and that he died in Victoria in Feb 1900. Place of birth is given as Bodmin, Cornwall on the birth certs of two of the children - simply Cornwall or England on other certs. Stated ages imply probable year of birth between 1827 and 1832, although I have not been able to find this in any records from Cornwall, despite numerous attempts. Arrival in Victoria is consistent with what I know about the convict Robert McLean. I have to say that the possible birth years for my Robert do cast some doubt on the theory that these two might be the same person, as Robert McLean was convicted in Canada in 1845 - would he have been under 20 at the time? So to get any further with my comparison, I reckon I need to know a few more definite facts about the convict Robert McLean, such as where was he born, when did he die, when did he marry etc. Actually, on looking just now at the marriage certificate of my Robert, I was reminded that he couldn't write at the time - signed as Robert Lean his mark. So if anyone has the convict indent for Robert McLean, and if that says he could read and write, then I would probably call this a wild goose chase and give up on it. (Just hoping - long shot, I guess - that someone on this list already knows these things about Robert McLean!) Sue |-----Original Message----- |From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts- |bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn |Sent: 02 September 2008 07:38 |To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert McLean, Neptune 1849-50 | |Dear Sue, | I guess you already have the death certificate of your |great grandfather X 2. This will tell you his birthplace and will usually |give a break up of how long he lived in each state and his overall length of |time in Australia. With the information you've already discovered you should |be able to verify whether or not he was the convict described. |Good luck, | |Jan |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Sue Ahrens" <sue.ahrens@ntlworld.com> |To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> |Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:33 AM |Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert McLean, Neptune 1849-50 | | |> Dear list, |> |> Does anyone have any information about what happened to the convict Robert |> McLean, Neptune 1849-50, after he reached Melbourne in 1851? |> |> He might or might not be my gg-grandfather Robert Lean, whose arrival in |> Australia remains an unresolved mystery to me. Since coming across this |> Robert McLean a couple of days ago, I have been thinking about what sorts |> of |> evidence I could look for that might at least show that he isn't my |> ancestor, such as did this Robert stay in Victoria, did he marry, did he |> have children etc? |> |> Here's all I know so far. |> |> The Queensland Library database says that Robert McLean was: |> "one of 289 convicts transported on the Neptune, 18 April 1849 |> Sentence Details: Convicted at Court Martial, St Johns Newfoundland for a |> term of 7 years. Ticket of Leave. |> Vessel: Neptune (Ship) |> Date of Departure: 18 April 1849 |> Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land" |> |> The Tasmanian archives say, under Convicts: |> "[Database no. 46410] McLean Robert [Date of arrival] 05 Apr 1850 Neptune |> (2) [Date of departure] 21 Feb 1850 [Port of departure] Cape of Good Hope |> [Remarks] Conditional pardon on arrival" |> and under Departures: |> "McLean Robert Steerage [Ship of departure] Shamrock [Date of departure] |> 19 |> Feb 1851 [Port of departure] Launceston [Where bound] Melbourne [Ship to |> Colony] Neptune [Status] Conditional Pardon |> |> The Ancestry database 'Convicts transported 1849-50' says that the date of |> Robert's Court Martial was 21 Oct 1845. |> |> According to the blog http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/ on 29 Aug |> 08 - the writer is really telling the story of the Irish revolutionary |> John |> Mitchel, convicted of treason and on that ship - the Neptune landed its |> convicts in Van Diemens Land only after attempting to offload (at least |> some |> of?) them in South Arica. After a stand-off of several months, this |> attempt |> was successfully resisted by the British settlers there. |> |> Hope someone out there knows a bit more, especially about Robert's life |> post-1851. |> |> Thanks for reading this. |> Sue |> |> |> ------------------------------- |> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to |> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the |> quotes in the subject and the body of the message |> | | | |------------------------------- |To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS- |request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject |and the body of the message

Thank you Scott and Lesley for explaining to me the Exile ships scheme. It was interesting read from you, Lesley, the rules applied to the Exiles per the Hashemy. 20 pounds was a huge amount of money to apply for a Conditional Pardon in those days, no wonder Philip Reeves did not apply but George Smith (Reeves) about to be married considered it worth while. Regards, Joan

Thank you Max for guessing I meant E-Bay. I didn not realise I had not spelt it wrong until Kerri questioned it. In that I said I am sick at the moment. I am still not very well so hope there ar no mistakes in this email for anyone to question Best Wishes from Marie Please: do not send me photos or pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: "heartseas" <heartseas@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS >I was sent a CD by a frienn and I found my fmaily tree on it and quite a >lot > of others and I cannot find out who made the CD but they had it on sale on > EB and when they found out I am complaining they took it off. > My friend cannot find out who did it but it has thousands on it. > At the moment I am too sick to do anyting about it. > Best Wishes from > Marie > Please: do not send me photos or pictures > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] ANONYMOUS ANCESTRY TREE OWNERS > > >> Yes Kerri >> My whole Book was kidnapped and their >> name placed as the author and once again no contact >> very rude >> Christene >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) >> Database version: 5.10590e >> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. >> Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 >> Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:19:24 AM >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080831-0, 08/31/2008 > Tested on: 9/1/2008 10:45:08 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >

Carol hello! ---- just opened your mail -- The Ralph family have been a stumbling block for quite some time - I was aware from early census etc. of Mary's arrival on the Minorca 1801 with 3 children --- and you've now presented me with additional names --- I found a Thomas at the Mitchell Library last week who returned to England 1820 on the "Little Mary" with his parents Mary and Luke's permission. So with your news of John Ralph so far that is 2 out of 3. My addiction to family history is only 2 years under way === a novice I know so there is a lot to learn e.g. your mention of "Worldconnect" etc. Many thanks for your help Cheers Joy -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: Sunday, 31 August 2008 3:13 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? Hi Joy, If you check out the Worldconnect site on Ancestry.com you will see someone has researched other children in this family. Name: Luke RALPH Given Name: Luke Surname: Ralph Sex: M Birth: 1763 in England 1 Change Date: 11 Feb 2006 Immigration: 14 Dec 1801 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 2 Note: On the 29/10/1823 Luke Ralph received permission for a grant of 100 acres of land in any part of the colony of NSW already surveyed. Certificate of Entitlement of Land dated 29/10/1823.@S34@Web site - RootsWeb.com. ID I4185. Elizabeth Pritchard. pritchliz@bigpond.com Marriage 1 Mary WHEATLEY b: Abt 1777 in England Married: in England Children Mary RALPH b: in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Thomas RALPH b: in England Unknown RALPH John RALPH b: 1801 in England Luke RALPH b: 13 Apr 1806 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia c: 06 Jul 1806 in New South Wales, Australia Christopher RALPH b: 1809 in Colony, New South Wales, Australia Matthew RALPH b: 19 Dec 1811 in Windsor, New South Wales, Australia c: 23 Feb 1812 in New South Wales, Australia Marriage 2 Spouse Unknown Married: 16 Nov 1829 in New South Wales, Australia 3 4 Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok me again - sorry if I am becoming a royal pain! John's death certificate has his parents as Thomas and Fanny on the BDM site. I ordered the certificate a couple of weeks ago, but am yet to receive it. Just while I think of it - would his death certificate be sufficient and have all info or is there more to be found if I ordered his marriage certificate to Isabella also? John then named a daughter Francis and his son John named one of his sons Thomas, which then seemed to tie in with his parents name (I was so glad that we started to get away from calling everyone John!) My grandmother long ago wrote some things out about the family and although there are some discrepancies in there (such as she changed the DOB for 1 of her kids who was born out of wedlock and she hasn't included the death of another born out of wedlock, but I think that this was more because it was frowned upon greatly in her time, rather than her trying to deceive anyone). She notes in there that we came from Scotland and I am a little emabarrassed to say that the year and place I came upon when I was first starting my research and was (and still am) a novice. I started a tree on Ancestory and found a John whos parents are Thomas and Fanny and the information listed was that John was born in 1832 from Dundee. I did send this person a message asking if this could be my John and that I had a lot of information from recent times that I could help with, but I never received a reply. Luckily I have listed where I got all my information from, but again, wrongly I shouldn't have assumed this to be correct. I really have no idea what religion he was and the McCarter's today are all over the place with their religions. -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 8:11 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter Kim Where did you get his birth and parent details from? There is no record on Scotlands People of the birth of a John McCarter (or McArthur) to Thomas and Fanny (or Frances) - in Dundee or elsewhere in Scotland between 1800 and 1854. This doesn't necessarily mean that your details are wrong. The pre-1855 birth and marriage records are sourced from the parish records of the (established) Church of Scotland. Pre-1855 Roman Catholic and other Church records are not on the Scotland's People site - yet. They are promised. I couldn't find a record for a marriage for Thomas and Fanny (Frances) either. "Fanny" is not a very Scottish usage. It tends to appear more in England. Numbers of McCarters in the 1841 Scotland Census were born in Ireland. So it could be that your Thomas and Fanny were Irish born, and married in Ireland? Was your John a Catholic? Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much to everyone who has tried and has helped me so much. I know there are a number of questions that need to be answered. I have the morning off work and will absorb all the information you have given me and answer the questions. In the mean time I just wanted to say thanks so much - will be back in a couple of hours with some answers - I hope! Regards Kim -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 8:11 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] McCarter Kim Where did you get his birth and parent details from? There is no record on Scotlands People of the birth of a John McCarter (or McArthur) to Thomas and Fanny (or Frances) - in Dundee or elsewhere in Scotland between 1800 and 1854. This doesn't necessarily mean that your details are wrong. The pre-1855 birth and marriage records are sourced from the parish records of the (established) Church of Scotland. Pre-1855 Roman Catholic and other Church records are not on the Scotland's People site - yet. They are promised. I couldn't find a record for a marriage for Thomas and Fanny (Frances) either. "Fanny" is not a very Scottish usage. It tends to appear more in England. Numbers of McCarters in the 1841 Scotland Census were born in Ireland. So it could be that your Thomas and Fanny were Irish born, and married in Ireland? Was your John a Catholic? Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list, Does anyone have any information about what happened to the convict Robert McLean, Neptune 1849-50, after he reached Melbourne in 1851? He might or might not be my gg-grandfather Robert Lean, whose arrival in Australia remains an unresolved mystery to me. Since coming across this Robert McLean a couple of days ago, I have been thinking about what sorts of evidence I could look for that might at least show that he isn't my ancestor, such as did this Robert stay in Victoria, did he marry, did he have children etc? Here's all I know so far. The Queensland Library database says that Robert McLean was: "one of 289 convicts transported on the Neptune, 18 April 1849 Sentence Details: Convicted at Court Martial, St Johns Newfoundland for a term of 7 years. Ticket of Leave. Vessel: Neptune (Ship) Date of Departure: 18 April 1849 Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land" The Tasmanian archives say, under Convicts: "[Database no. 46410] McLean Robert [Date of arrival] 05 Apr 1850 Neptune (2) [Date of departure] 21 Feb 1850 [Port of departure] Cape of Good Hope [Remarks] Conditional pardon on arrival" and under Departures: "McLean Robert Steerage [Ship of departure] Shamrock [Date of departure] 19 Feb 1851 [Port of departure] Launceston [Where bound] Melbourne [Ship to Colony] Neptune [Status] Conditional Pardon The Ancestry database 'Convicts transported 1849-50' says that the date of Robert's Court Martial was 21 Oct 1845. According to the blog http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/ on 29 Aug 08 - the writer is really telling the story of the Irish revolutionary John Mitchel, convicted of treason and on that ship - the Neptune landed its convicts in Van Diemens Land only after attempting to offload (at least some of?) them in South Arica. After a stand-off of several months, this attempt was successfully resisted by the British settlers there. Hope someone out there knows a bit more, especially about Robert's life post-1851. Thanks for reading this. Sue

Did you know that you can view Conduct records of female convicts arriving in the period of the probation System, 1844 - 1853 Online? CON41 http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/ Home > Name Indexes > Tasmanian convicts > The Name Indexes is 4th from the bottom of the left hand menu Tasmanian Convicts is 2nd from the top on the Right hand menu Enjoy Kaye

Hi Max, Not many photos of convict ships as most were well before photography. The Mitchell Library has a data base of all ships' pictures, mostly paintings, but not many convict ships amongst them. Carol

NSW State Records lists John McCarter, alias McArthur, who received a Certificate of Freedom on 13-05-1848. He arrived in NSW on Hercules in 1832. I'm not sure why you think this can't be him. There were other 10 year old convicts, assuming the birthyear you have is correct. A photocopy of this can be purchased online. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kim, A little more for you..... John Mc Carter, son of Thomas and Fanny, died in Newcastle in 1904. Isabella Mc Carter married George Pearce in Newcastle in 1905. Then, in 1919. Isabella Pearce passed away in Newcastle. Her parents were recorded as Alexander and Mary. All these certificates are available from NSW bdm and will give you lots more to go on. Best wishes, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim and Daz" <kim_daz@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] McCarter >I am so much at a loss - and thank you so much Max for trying your best to > help me. I am trying in vain to do my family tree, but there just seems > to > be people who existed, but are nowhere to be found anywhere as far as > birth/marriage/death records are concerned. > > I have no concrete information, but was always told by my uncles (who are > sadly now all deceased) that we are definitely convicts and they went so > far > as to tell me that it was for stealing bread. I have traced back to a > John > McCarter who was born in Dundee Scotland in 1822 but I cant find him > anywhere as a convict or really any information about him. There is a > John > McCarter who was a convict, but he arrived in about 1832 and I know there > is > sometimes a query on ages, but that would make my John 10 years old and I > doubt he could have passed for someone in their 20's. His parents were > Thomas and Fanny and I have no information on them or whether there were > other children. "My" John married Isabella Hicks on 25th June, 1859, she > was born in 1839, but that is the extent of the information I have for > her, > other than their children were John born in 1861 and Fanny in 1859. > > There does seem to be some info on the Scotlands People website, but I > cant > view it unless I pay for it and just at the moment I cant afford to pay > for > something that might not even be relevant. > > If anyone could help with any info and how these people could just > disappear > without death or burial notices, or how John got to Australia I would so > much appreciate it. > > Cheers > Kim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi carol, To get inot any info you have to subscribe. I have just tried it and it won't let me in. June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Wood" <nanawood@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] How to? > Hi, > > No you don't have to be a paid up member of Ancestry to access the > Worldconnect site (www.ancestry.com.au) Just put the name in the search > box > and everything will come up. > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1644 - Release Date: 8/31/2008 4:59 PM