It have been a couple of year since I've had contact with Roger LINDHOLM regarding his ancestor Knud Geelmuyden Maleren BULL, 1811-1889. If Roger is on this list or anyone know of him could they let him know I'm trying to contact him? Thanking You Beryl Down Under

Back again Geoff - John Reeve/s arrived in Tassie on 19 Feb 1842 on the Tortoise. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Reeves" <greeves@cookaust.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme > Joan > I have been reading your emails and need to ask a question of you > I have a William Reeves in my family tree that I have never been able to > satisfactorily identify > when He came to Australia or why. > I have searched convict records no connection > The George Smith Alias William Reeves may be a reason why I have not > been able to trace the guy (outside Chance any way) > Ellen(Helen)Reeves was accompanied by William Reeves (son) & Jessie > Reeves (daughter) > The Dates appear to be a close fit as his wife Ellen Reeves came out on > the "Northampton" in 1850 and the documents indicate Husband all ready > in the Colony > Some major issue caused the family split almost on arrival, which has > not ever been explained. > Ring any bells that may help me > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ged & Joan BARRY > Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:03 AM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme > > > > > Thank you Scott and Lesley for explaining to me the Exile ships scheme. > > > > It was interesting read from you, Lesley, the rules applied to the > Exiles per the Hashemy. 20 pounds was a huge amount of money to apply > for a Conditional Pardon in those days, no wonder Philip Reeves did not > apply but George Smith (Reeves) about to be married considered it worth > while. > > > > Regards, > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM

Geoff - I doubt whether this is of any use to you, but eliminations can always help too. I have 3 Reeve/s convicts. John Reeve - was also known as Gypsy Jack. He was convicted in 1841 for burglary. He came from Buckinghamshire. He was married to a Mary Smith at the time and had 3 children of whom I know nothing. John married his second wife, Mary Ann McMaster in 1853 in Launceston Tas and had a tribe of children. His father Thomas Reeve (wife was Ann Ball) was convicted for murder and Thomas' brother William was an accomplice. Both from Aston Clinton in Buckinhamshire, and I have a 13 page transcript of their trial in March 1825. John was sent to Tasmania and William & Thomas to Sydney. Right throughout any records I have, the name is sometimes Reeves and sometimes Reeve. It still continues these days in the Reeve/s that I know. All the best with your hunting. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Reeves" <greeves@cookaust.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme > Joan > I have been reading your emails and need to ask a question of you > I have a William Reeves in my family tree that I have never been able to > satisfactorily identify > when He came to Australia or why. > I have searched convict records no connection > The George Smith Alias William Reeves may be a reason why I have not > been able to trace the guy (outside Chance any way) > Ellen(Helen)Reeves was accompanied by William Reeves (son) & Jessie > Reeves (daughter) > The Dates appear to be a close fit as his wife Ellen Reeves came out on > the "Northampton" in 1850 and the documents indicate Husband all ready > in the Colony > Some major issue caused the family split almost on arrival, which has > not ever been explained. > Ring any bells that may help me > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ged & Joan BARRY > Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:03 AM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme > > > > > Thank you Scott and Lesley for explaining to me the Exile ships scheme. > > > > It was interesting read from you, Lesley, the rules applied to the > Exiles per the Hashemy. 20 pounds was a huge amount of money to apply > for a Conditional Pardon in those days, no wonder Philip Reeves did not > apply but George Smith (Reeves) about to be married considered it worth > while. > > > > Regards, > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM

Hi, Can someone who has used transcription agents in London please let me know who they recommend please. I might have to go that way, with some of my missing links! Karen S Melbourne

Thanks very much Kerry, Ron and Rob. It seems that there were a few different Haynes/Haines families in the area. I can't see a definite likeness in the photos but can't really rule them out either! None of the names on the electoral roll ring a bell....I can remember seeing a headstone for a William Haynes at the Murrumburrah cemetery years ago I'll just have to bite the bullet and buy a few of the certificates I guess. Thanks again, anyhow. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Norton" <ronn007@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > Hi Jan, > > McHenry's Creek is a property just outside Young on the road to Grenfell > (and Forbes of course). It was close to the Lambing Flat goldfield. Some > of > its old buildings are still standing. > > Ron Norton > Canberra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > > >>......... One of Maria's brothers was Frank Haines who was a station >> overseer near Forbes. I think it was McHenry's Creek, if that was a >> property >> name! I would love to see the photograph you have if it's not too much >> trouble. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I went to their websites and emailed an order with my Credit card details. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2008 11:52 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Kerri - Did you actually send an order or just email them? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:27 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks Lesley, I had picked these ones up also and they are on my list. Very kind of you to take an interest and help out. Has anyone else had the same trouble I have in contacting the Transcription agents from the BDM. I have tried two different ones and get no response. One was two weeks ago and one two days ago. Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kerri - Did you actually send an order or just email them? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:27 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks Lesley, I had picked these ones up also and they are on my list. Very kind of you to take an interest and help out. Has anyone else had the same trouble I have in contacting the Transcription agents from the BDM. I have tried two different ones and get no response. One was two weeks ago and one two days ago. Kerri

Hi Geoff Do you mean the Northampton that arrived in NSW in 1880? >From the State Records of NSW - Assisted Immigrants REEVES Helen 27 and family Northampton Jan 1880 REEVES Helen 1 and family Northampton Jan 1880 REEVES Jessie 3 and family Northampton Jan 1880 REEVES William 7 and family Northampton Jan 1880 Given that the children were those of Helen (Ellen?) and William and the youngest being only one year old..... then I cannot see the father arriving as a convict or exile. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Geoff Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:15 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme Joan I have been reading your emails and need to ask a question of you I have a William Reeves in my family tree that I have never been able to satisfactorily identify when He came to Australia or why. I have searched convict records no connection The George Smith Alias William Reeves may be a reason why I have not been able to trace the guy (outside Chance any way) Ellen(Helen)Reeves was accompanied by William Reeves (son) & Jessie Reeves (daughter) The Dates appear to be a close fit as his wife Ellen Reeves came out on the "Northampton" in 1850 and the documents indicate Husband all ready in the Colony Some major issue caused the family split almost on arrival, which has not ever been explained. Ring any bells that may help me Geoff

Thanks Lesley, I had picked these ones up also and they are on my list. Very kind of you to take an interest and help out. Has anyone else had the same trouble I have in contacting the Transcription agents from the BDM. I have tried two different ones and get no response. One was two weeks ago and one two days ago. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 12:33 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions It may not be correct - but worth checking the film. I did check for her death with parents named but couldn't find it, although parents names are not always noted or known at the time. The only deaths I could find with those parents named are: 6455/1887 MACKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6455/1887 MCKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO 6888/1898 THOMSON ELIZABETH BARNARD ANN RANDWICK An Elizabeth Gallagher married a William Thomson at Scot's Church in Sydney: V18541010 81/1854 THOMPSON WILLIAM GALLAGHER ELIZABETH QC All needs checking - but that's what family history research is all about. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Thanks for that Lesley, I think I will give it go - just needed a little nudge ........... appreciate it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan I have been reading your emails and need to ask a question of you I have a William Reeves in my family tree that I have never been able to satisfactorily identify when He came to Australia or why. I have searched convict records no connection The George Smith Alias William Reeves may be a reason why I have not been able to trace the guy (outside Chance any way) Ellen(Helen)Reeves was accompanied by William Reeves (son) & Jessie Reeves (daughter) The Dates appear to be a close fit as his wife Ellen Reeves came out on the "Northampton" in 1850 and the documents indicate Husband all ready in the Colony Some major issue caused the family split almost on arrival, which has not ever been explained. Ring any bells that may help me Geoff -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ged & Joan BARRY Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:03 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Exile ships scheme Thank you Scott and Lesley for explaining to me the Exile ships scheme. It was interesting read from you, Lesley, the rules applied to the Exiles per the Hashemy. 20 pounds was a huge amount of money to apply for a Conditional Pardon in those days, no wonder Philip Reeves did not apply but George Smith (Reeves) about to be married considered it worth while. Regards, Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, McHenry's Creek is a property just outside Young on the road to Grenfell (and Forbes of course). It was close to the Lambing Flat goldfield. Some of its old buildings are still standing. Ron Norton Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES >......... One of Maria's brothers was Frank Haines who was a station > overseer near Forbes. I think it was McHenry's Creek, if that was a > property > name! I would love to see the photograph you have if it's not too much > trouble.

Dear Rob, It sounds like you're a descendant of a Haynes/Haines family who lived in the Coota/Harden/Boorowa/Forbes area. My great grandmother and her husband, Edwin, lived for some years on the bank of Cunningham's Creek, just outside Murrumburrah. Their children born after 1895 were born while they lived there. I'm thinking that maybe her father owned that land and the family moved there after his death. They subsequently moved back to "Rosehill", Cootamundra where they remained 'til they died. One of Maria's brothers was Frank Haines who was a station overseer near Forbes. I think it was McHenry's Creek, if that was a property name! I would love to see the photograph you have if it's not too much trouble. There may be a resemblance! When we attended Cootamundra school in the early 50's there were twins named Hains who were daughters of a local solicitor. When I recall how much they resembled some of my cousins, Maria Haynes's descendants, it makes me sure there was a connection. Working through all those certificates is beyond my budget limit infortunately. Maybe I can narrow it down further by searching for marriages between the parents named and eliminating some of them in that way. Thanks so much for your advice, Rob Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Fords" <rsforf@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > Hi Jan, > I have come into this thread rather late so forgive me if I am > going over old ground. Have you thought of HAYNES being spelt as HAINES?. > I > am currently going back over a HAINES line and have found the spelling > being > crossed over.There are several John HAYNES on the NSW State Records on > line > indexes for the 1840s and 1850s. Maybe a check of both spellings might > nail > it for you? .He may not have come into a Victorian Port but a Sydney one.I > gather from previous research on the discovery of gold that towns and > cities > like Sydney emptied quickly as workers went for the gold so he mayhave > landed in Sydney and gone very quickly to Victoria.? > > Just to confuse you more... there is a Deep Creek down around Crookwell > too.My HAINES moved around between Menangle and then down to Boorowa near > Young.There is a photo of him taken by a Cootamundra photographer He died > at > Nowra so there must be a reason HAINES/HAYNES left the south east region > to > go to the south coast! > > regards > Rob > Central Coast > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Marg. That was the first possible death certificate I purchased many years ago. It's not his. I also obtained the convict record for John Haynes who arrived in VDL on the Lord Lyndoch in 1836. That John was 19 when he arrived. One of his jobs as a convict was cutting down trees and this was how the John in Bombala died. However, this John Haynes gave his native place as Bristol. Thanks to Rob also. The branch of the family who settled in the Forbes area spelt their name "Haines" so yes, that could be how his name appears on any document. I have the birth certificate for Maria and she was born in the Maryborough District of Victoria. Thank you both so much Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES- Bombala ?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > > Hi Jan > >> . No, the death certificate for John HAYNES in >> Bombala gives no family details. We do know that John was present at >> the >> marriage of his daughter, Maria, to Edwin MANWARING near Cootamundra >> in >> 1876. > > Even in 2008 to drive from Cootamundra to Bombala would be a > reasonable journey ??? This doesnt give good vibes Have you > considered the death record of a John HAYNES who d Murrumburrah in > 1877 age 71 ?? Thats not many Ks from Cootamundra ? Do you have any > doc that records his age at any time ? > > > . >> I've looked at several convicts named John HAYNES arriving in >> Tasmania but >> have been unable to verify that any of them are the John we seek. >> Where can >> I search for other arrivals in Victoria pre 1849? > > A John HAYNES arrived in NSW in 1836 on the 'Duchess of Northumberland > ' ?? > > Since his marriage record has his surname as AYNES have you > considered HAINES ? > > I think this might be one of those 'get copy of any available doc' > that is affordable > > bye > MargM > Beautiful Wyong Shire > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES Hi Jan > . No, the death certificate for John HAYNES in > Bombala gives no family details. We do know that John was present at > the > marriage of his daughter, Maria, to Edwin MANWARING near Cootamundra > in > 1876. Even in 2008 to drive from Cootamundra to Bombala would be a reasonable journey ??? This doesnt give good vibes Have you considered the death record of a John HAYNES who d Murrumburrah in 1877 age 71 ?? Thats not many Ks from Cootamundra ? Do you have any doc that records his age at any time ? . > I've looked at several convicts named John HAYNES arriving in > Tasmania but > have been unable to verify that any of them are the John we seek. > Where can > I search for other arrivals in Victoria pre 1849? A John HAYNES arrived in NSW in 1836 on the 'Duchess of Northumberland ' ?? Since his marriage record has his surname as AYNES have you considered HAINES ? I think this might be one of those 'get copy of any available doc' that is affordable bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Hi Jan, I have come into this thread rather late so forgive me if I am going over old ground. Have you thought of HAYNES being spelt as HAINES?. I am currently going back over a HAINES line and have found the spelling being crossed over.There are several John HAYNES on the NSW State Records on line indexes for the 1840s and 1850s. Maybe a check of both spellings might nail it for you? .He may not have come into a Victorian Port but a Sydney one.I gather from previous research on the discovery of gold that towns and cities like Sydney emptied quickly as workers went for the gold so he mayhave landed in Sydney and gone very quickly to Victoria.? Just to confuse you more... there is a Deep Creek down around Crookwell too.My HAINES moved around between Menangle and then down to Boorowa near Young.There is a photo of him taken by a Cootamundra photographer He died at Nowra so there must be a reason HAINES/HAYNES left the south east region to go to the south coast! regards Rob Central Coast

Thanks for your reply, Lesley. No, the death certificate for John HAYNES in Bombala gives no family details. We do know that John was present at the marriage of his daughter, Maria, to Edwin MANWARING near Cootamundra in 1876. We have traced Mary Ann Sloman back to Dorset and Somerset and know that she wasn't a convict. I've looked at several convicts named John HAYNES arriving in Tasmania but have been unable to verify that any of them are the John we seek. Where can I search for other arrivals in Victoria pre 1849?Any suggestions would be thankfully received. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > Hi Jan > > They may not be convicts. > > Does the Death Certificate give the names of his children? The reason for > asking > is that you appear to be unsure if you have found the correct one. > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:27 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES > > > Hello there, > My ancestor, John HAYNES, married Mary Ann SLOMAN in > Melbourne in 1849. The couple had five children in different Victorian > mining townships, the last being my great grandmother, Maria, who was born > at Deep Creek (Maryborough District) in 1858. Her mother died soon > afterwards and John brought his surviving children to the > Cootamundra/Forbes > areas of NSW. > I have received some guidance but as yet have not been able to verify any > details regarding his background. On Maria's birth certificate John gives > his birthplace as London. The marriage certificate gives no clues, except > that he signed with an "X" and must have pronounced his surname "Aynes" as > that is how it was recorded. The death certificate I have could be his but > none of his details were known by his friends at the time of death in > Bombala....a long way from Cootamundra! > > Any help or advice would be most welcome. > Thank you > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Rhoda, I will try again. Strange that you were in bed when my message arrived....... I wasn't aware that genealogists ever slept! Will let you know how I get on. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 6:27 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri Sorry, I was in bed when this arrived! I am in the UK. The email address is correct BUT I typed in a comma after "gov" instead of a full-stop. Correct email address is enquiries@nas.gov.uk I have to admit that I cried when I found out about him. I thought he had died (in Scotland) before the 1841 Census and then I accidentally came across a reference to his conviction. He wasn't a young man. He was 45 with 8 daughters aged 18 and under. This was a man who had lived in a small town in Scotland all his life suddenly faced with being sent to an unknown land thousands of miles away from his family. Even the sentence is terrifying: "to be transported beyond the seas" for life. All for forging and uttering a bill of exchange. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi again Rhoda, My computer is coming up with a message which says that it does not recognise that email address. Could you check it again for me please. It doesn't seem to like the "uk" bit. I use Microsoft Outlook Express and operate with Windows Vista if that helps. Kerri P.S. Loved the details you learned about your family - what a buzz! Poor man - can't you just "feel" the stress he must have been experiencing? -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:04 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri I addressed my email to enquiries@nas.gov,uk and got a very helpful reply listing all the documents in the precognition and trial papers. I bought copies of all the documents that were available and it cost me about £120. You could be more selective. There is much more detail in the precognition and trial papers than is recorded in the online catalogue summary. You should get copies of the witness statements for a start. For example I learned what my GGG Grandfather had been wearing on the day that he tried to pass a forged bill of exchange; I learned that one of his younger daughters had recently suffered serious burns (probably fallen into the hearth); I learned something about the relationship between him and his older brother. Lots of little things that made me feel a close connection to this man and the way he lived almost 200 years ago. I suggest that you are quite specific about your request and ask them to list what documents are available in the precognition and trial papers relating to the trial of Bernard and Ann Hughes. This is the general information that the NAS gave me in their response: "For serious nineteenth century criminal cases two types of record usually survive. Firstly there is the precognition, which is the written report of the evidence of witnesses to a crime, taken before the trial in order to help prepare the case against the accused. This should include the indictment and the statements of the witnesses and the accused concerning the offence. Precognitions are contained among the records of the Lord Advocate's department (series ref: AD). Secondly, there are records of the High Court of the Justiciary (series ref: JC). Cases where sentence of transportation was handed down were tried before this court, which sat in Edinburgh and on circuit. The primary justiciary records to consult are the minute books, which contain a summary of the proceedings in court (series JC6-14) and the process or case papers (series ref JC-26). " Hope that helps Rhoda R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson " <kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > > > > > From: Kerri Ferguson [mailto:kerri.ferguson@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 9:30 AM > To: 'aus-convicts@rootsweb.com' > Subject: > > > > Hi Listers - can anyone help! > > > > I have several times sent emails to the NAS site with a question but all > get back is that voluminous electronic all-purpose message which does NOT > answer my question. > > > > In the Crown Office precognition, Ref:AD14/27/157 Bernard Hughes and Ann > Hughes (his wife) are named along with a John Reid (18 yrs) and Robert > Gallacher (17 yrs) as being the accused of the crime of theft. Both the > Hughes were eventually transported. I do not wish to go to the expense of > purchasing the records if this is all the information contained in them > i.e. > what is summed up on the "single record details" page? Can anyone tell > me > if there is more detail available in records such as these if one actually > orders and purchases them. > > > > It's just a GENERAL question about what one gets when one purchases the > records. That electronic message I keep getting does not answer this > specific question. > > > > Kerri > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan They may not be convicts. Does the Death Certificate give the names of his children? The reason for asking is that you appear to be unsure if you have found the correct one. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:27 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES Hello there, My ancestor, John HAYNES, married Mary Ann SLOMAN in Melbourne in 1849. The couple had five children in different Victorian mining townships, the last being my great grandmother, Maria, who was born at Deep Creek (Maryborough District) in 1858. Her mother died soon afterwards and John brought his surviving children to the Cootamundra/Forbes areas of NSW. I have received some guidance but as yet have not been able to verify any details regarding his background. On Maria's birth certificate John gives his birthplace as London. The marriage certificate gives no clues, except that he signed with an "X" and must have pronounced his surname "Aynes" as that is how it was recorded. The death certificate I have could be his but none of his details were known by his friends at the time of death in Bombala....a long way from Cootamundra! Any help or advice would be most welcome. Thank you

-----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 8:27 p.m. To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John HAYNES Hello there, My ancestor, John HAYNES, married Mary Ann SLOMAN in Melbourne in 1849. The couple had five children in different Victorian mining townships, the last being my great grandmother, Maria, who was born at Deep Creek (Maryborough District) in 1858. Her mother died soon afterwards and John brought his surviving children to the Cootamundra/Forbes areas of NSW. I have received some guidance but as yet have not been able to verify any details regarding his background. On Maria's birth certificate John gives his birthplace as London. The marriage certificate gives no clues, except that he signed with an "X" and must have pronounced his surname "Aynes" as that is how it was recorded. The death certificate I have could be his but none of his details were known by his friends at the time of death in Bombala....a long way from Cootamundra! Any help or advice would be most welcome. Thank you Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > It may not be correct - but worth checking the film. > > > I did check for her death with parents named but couldn't find it, > although > parents names are not always noted or known at the time. > > The only deaths I could find with those parents named are: > > > 6455/1887 MACKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO > 6455/1887 MCKEON ELIZABETH BERNARD ANN DUBBO > 6888/1898 THOMSON ELIZABETH BARNARD ANN RANDWICK > > > An Elizabeth Gallagher married a William Thomson at Scot's Church in > Sydney: > > V18541010 81/1854 THOMPSON WILLIAM GALLAGHER ELIZABETH QC > > All needs checking - but that's what family history research is all about. > > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions > > > Thanks for that Lesley, > > I think I will give it go - just needed a little nudge ........... > appreciate it. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, In my search for my LYNCHEY ancestors I have enquired previously about a series of tattoos recorded by the authorities as being in several places on the son Thomas. The most enigmatic being some initials. "TL" is very likely his own initials, "Thomas LYNCHEY". However I have been unable to come up with an acceptable solution to "CLAIJL". I have previously tried the Australian Convict sites on Rootsweb, and the County Down Site as he was probably born there. One response was to suggest that prisoners were "Branded". I have heard of this in earlier times but not in the 19th century. I am doubtful that this is the explanation as they are just part of other tattoos including the Three Legs of Man (he had lived for a fair time on the Isle of Man), a brother's name, anchors, dots and other symbols unlikely to be some jail reference. Was this practice carried possibly in England or in Australia? Peter Melbourne"