from Colonial Secretary Correspondence www.records.nsw.gov.au I would contact Michelle Nichols at Hawkesbury City Library for help. LAKE, Miles. Per "Earl Spencer", 1813 1823 Jan Servant of Harriet Robinson; testimony as to his character for a ticket of leave (Reel 6026; 4/1715 pp.239-40) 1823 Jan 29 On list of persons who obtained tickets of leave during the last week (Reel 6039; 4/424 p.131) 1824 Nov 2 Re permission to marry at Windsor (Reel 6013; 4/3512 p.692) Leanne

looks like he was taken into the orphan school in 1833 along with brother James and another child Thomas, who I assume is a brother as registration was not compulsory then he may have been not registered and possibly too young to be baptised yet, no sign of Sarah. Index to Orphan Schools www.records.nsw.gov.au Leanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE

Hi Christene A few months ago you wrote to this list - and I answered giving further information and corrections ""Listers My convict is Miles LAKE of the Earl Spencer 1813. Miles was transported from Nottingham A year later he was granted a ticket of leave to marry Jane Arthur in 1824 at Windsor. Janes father served in the 102nd Foot Regiment His sentence was life and he was aged 38 They married in St Andrews Windsor Christene"" Miles could not have received a Certificate of Freedom because he had been sentenced to Life. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of christene Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] LAKE I am trying to find entry to NSW for Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area 1825... Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. They had 3 children Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck can anyone help? Christene

I am trying to find entry to NSW for Miles Lake and Jane Arthur who married in the Windsor area 1825... Miles died 1832 aged 57 I have no other details of either of their pasts. They had 3 children Sarah I think I have found..James I have to modern times but there is no sign of a rd boy Miles bn 1830 I have checked tickets of freedom etc no luck can anyone help? Christene E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Is this an error? I find it totally immature and offensive and am wondering how it got through. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Strauss Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 4:28 PM To: List AUS Convicts; WILMA; 'Paula T Rieger'; Marty Rieger Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim From: colin strauss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss Parrett Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim : Fw: Dave & Jim Dave & Jim Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft mechanics in Melbourne . One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with nothing to do. Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a buzz. You wanna try it?' So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get completely smashed. The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. Nothing! Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this morning?' Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We ought to do this more often.' ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' 'What's that?' 'Have you farted yet?' 'No.' 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, Please excuse me if I should be making enquiries elsewhere but I am trying to find out what happened to two relatives that were transported to VDL (Tasmania) in 1840 and 1843. Joseph Henry Newnham was transported on the Asia in 1840 and his brother, Robert Newnham on the Gilmore in 1843. According to the Tasmanian archives Joseph Henry received his conditional pardon in 4th December 1849. His brother may have received his pardon on 5th October 1847 but there is another entry on his record for 1st July 1848 when he was fined for "resisting a constable in the execution of his duty". After that I have no idea of what happened to the two brothers. I haven't found them back home in Kent so perhaps they stayed in Australia. Joseph was married so his wife and child may have gone out to Australia. I don't have a record of a marriage for Robert but the records show he claimed to be married. Can anyone advise me, please, where I could look in the Australia records to see if I can locate either of them? Are there records of transportees being returned to the UK or of wives and children going out to Australia? I would be most grateful for any help. Many thanks, Gerry

Hi Julie, In my tree I have 3 convict brothers married 3 convict women, a sister of the brothers also married a convict and I am looking at the possibility of the father also marrying a convict. Fantastic stuff. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Query - # of convicts sent from same family (determinable?) > (Julie Gough) > 2. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) (kaye vernon) > 3. Re: Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) (Betty Keep) > 4. FW: Dave & Jim (Peter Strauss) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:33:03 +1000 (EST) > From: Julie Gough <[email protected]> > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > hi listers > > I have been wondering about something and would value anyone > ideas/findings > about this. > > Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 > generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - > wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a > family was > sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at > least > another family member was also sent to Australia? > > I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little > about an > uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. > > To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent to > Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the > implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members > heading > to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are > already > here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single > person > search approach in ancestral research. > > Julie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:04:14 +1000 > From: "kaye vernon" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I found a family of brothers who came out as convicts one went to > Tasmania, > two to Victoria and one to NSW. Only in recent times,have the families > connected. To add to this,I found that they had left a sister behind in > England and she has descendents who have contacted me with a whole new > branch of the family tree. > I have not followed this line with any other branch of my family but you > have prompted me to consider the possibility. > Kaye Vernon > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.hrm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Gough > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 7:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > > hi listers > > I have been wondering about something and would value anyone > ideas/findings > about this. > > Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 > generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - > wouldn't it be > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:44:15 +1000 > From: "Betty Keep" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Julie > I have often thought of all that you say in your email. I have a g g > grandfather whose father and uncle were already in Aus - in the Sydney > area > when he was convicted. My gg grandfather also had a wife and some family > prior to his conviction, but they never came to Aus and my convict > remarried > after he was free. (This is not our mutual rellies that I am talking > about!). > Cheers > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Gough" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:33 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family > (determinable?) > > >> hi listers >> >> I have been wondering about something and would value anyone >> ideas/findings >> about this. >> >> Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 >> generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people >> here - >> wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a >> family was >> sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at >> least >> another family member was also sent to Australia? >> >> I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little >> about an >> uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. >> >> To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent >> to >> Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the >> implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members >> heading >> to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are >> already >> here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single >> person >> search approach in ancestral research. >> >> Julie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:27:44 +1000 > From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> > Subject: [AUS-CON] FW: Dave & Jim > To: "List AUS Convicts" <[email protected]>, "WILMA" > <[email protected]>, "'Paula T Rieger'" <[email protected]>, > "Marty Rieger" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > From: colin strauss [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM > To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss > Parrett > Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > : Fw: Dave & Jim > > > > > > > > > > Dave & Jim > > > > > Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft > mechanics in Melbourne . > > One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with > nothing to do. > > Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' > Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a > buzz. > > You wanna try it?' > So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get > completely smashed. > The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. > > In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. > > Nothing! > > Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this > morning?' > > Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' > Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' > Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We > ought to do this more often.' > > ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' > 'What's that?' > > 'Have you farted yet?' > > 'No.' > > 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 283 > ******************************************** >

From: colin strauss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 3:28 PM To: Peter William Strauss; Greta Vargas; Les Law; Phil Evans; Colliss Parrett Subject: Fw: Dave & Jim : Fw: Dave & Jim Dave & Jim Dave and Jim were a couple of drinking buddies who worked as Aircraft mechanics in Melbourne . One day the airport was fogged in and they were stuck in the hangar with nothing to do. Dave said, 'Man, I wish we had something to drink!' Jim says, 'Me too. Y'know, I've heard you can drink jet fuel and get a buzz. You wanna try it?' So they pour themselves a couple of glasses of high octane booze and get completely smashed. The next morning Dave wakes up and is surprised at how good he feels. In fact he feels GREAT! NO hangover! NO bad side effects. Nothing! Then the phone rings. It's Jim . Jim says, 'Hey, how do you feel this morning?' Dave says, 'I feel great, how about you?' Jim says, 'I feel great, too. You don't have a hangover?' Dave says, 'No that jet fuel is great stuff -- no hangover, nothing. We ought to do this more often.' ' Yeah, well there's just one thing.' 'What's that?' 'Have you farted yet?' 'No.' 'Well, DON'T, ' cause I'm in Perth .' __________ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM

Chain migration, where a "pioneer" goes ahead to check things out first, is a very common migration pattern. Geographers see this in both assisted and unassisted movements. I have one man who was followed a year later by his brother and parents.Many of our modern families move the same way. In fact the Australian migration schemes depend on those patterns to ease the culture shock of new arrivals. In fact the presence of family or fellow country communities dramaticly enhances success of the individual. Hats off to our convict ancestors who figured out how to make the system work for them! And while we are at it if you have Irish assisted immigrants besure to look at all the paperwork as they were lots of kids who officials noted were 'small' for their age-- i.e. their age was put up to make them qualify for assisted passage!Regards

Hi Julie I have often thought of all that you say in your email. I have a g g grandfather whose father and uncle were already in Aus - in the Sydney area when he was convicted. My gg grandfather also had a wife and some family prior to his conviction, but they never came to Aus and my convict remarried after he was free. (This is not our mutual rellies that I am talking about!). Cheers Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Gough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family (determinable?) > hi listers > > I have been wondering about something and would value anyone > ideas/findings > about this. > > Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 > generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - > wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a > family was > sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at > least > another family member was also sent to Australia? > > I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little > about an > uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. > > To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent to > Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the > implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members > heading > to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are > already > here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single > person > search approach in ancestral research. > > Julie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM

I found a family of brothers who came out as convicts one went to Tasmania, two to Victoria and one to NSW. Only in recent times,have the families connected. To add to this,I found that they had left a sister behind in England and she has descendents who have contacted me with a whole new branch of the family tree. I have not followed this line with any other branch of my family but you have prompted me to consider the possibility. Kaye Vernon www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.hrm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Gough Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2008 7:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] Query - # of convicts sent from same family (determinable?) hi listers I have been wondering about something and would value anyone ideas/findings about this. Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - wouldn't it be

hi listers I have been wondering about something and would value anyone ideas/findings about this. Given that convicts were sent across to various parts of Australia for 4 generations and given the drastic circumstances that brought people here - wouldn't it be not only possible but likely that if one member of a family was sent across that in the same generation - or adjacent generations. at least another family member was also sent to Australia? I have only focussed on my direct convict ancestors, but know a little about an uncle of one ancestor also sent to Australia. To find the data on all families affected with multiple members sent to Australia is very interesting. It seems more holistic to think about the implications for the whole famiy left behind, and about the members heading to Australia knowing even which others may follow, or which others are already here to possibly seek. This is very different to the one-by-one single person search approach in ancestral research. Julie

Hi Peter, A small paragraph from Sydney Burial Ground 1819-1901 [Johnson and Sainty] : "More than 30,000 remains were uncovered at the time of resumption of the cemetery. The total number buried between 1819 and 1888 will never be known with certainty. As many as 20,000 are not identified in this compilation. As separate interment registers do not appear to have been maintained, those of the city parishes of the relevant denomination should be consulted to ascertain if they record the deceased that are unidentified. It is likely that any person dying in what is now the inner city and near suburbs, such as Woolloomooloo, Surry Hill, Redfern, Ultimo and Pyrmont, would have been buried in the SBG from 1819 to 1849 for adherents of the Church of England and until the mid 1860's for other denominations. From July 1856 official certificates of registered deaths record place of burial". So, from the above numbers, it appears that at least two thirds of those buried there are not mentioned. Regards, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]> To: "List AUS Convicts" <[email protected]>; "List PJ Convicts" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] DEVOSHIRE (SANDHILLS) CEMETERY RELOCATIONS > Hi Listers, > The Sainty book on relocation of burials from the Sandhill's cemetery does > not include my GGG grandmother buried at the "Catholic Cemetery" in 1860. > Having lived and died in Chippendale I cannot imagine her being interred > somewhere else. > I understand that there are/were records of those originally buried there > and also of families contacted regarding relocation. > Would these be available on line or in some library searchable form > please? > Cheers > Peter > Melbourne

Hi Listers, The Sainty book on relocation of burials from the Sandhill's cemetery does not include my GGG grandmother buried at the "Catholic Cemetery" in 1860. Having lived and died in Chippendale I cannot imagine her being interred somewhere else. I understand that there are/were records of those originally buried there and also of families contacted regarding relocation. Would these be available on line or in some library searchable form please? Cheers Peter Melbourne

Thanks Lesley, Just being careless with my language - of course I realise it was not a marriage certificate. More concentration needed and less excitement at times. What a buzz when a name pops up of some other little familiar bit of information - especially when you are not expecting it. I, too, think this is Bernard and Ann's Elizabeth. Elizabeth was DEFINITELY taken from Ann at age 3 years upon Ann's entry in the Female Factory. I have the documents from State Archives entering all four girls into the orphanage. Poor babies! I am moved by how Ann and Bernard seemed to stick so close together and am convinced that this is a real love story. I suspect that they and their little family may have been an attractive proposition to transport when the government was looking to populate a new country. They have done all they could to be together and to get their little ones returned to them - and sadly it looks like that within a couple of years of receiving their pardons, they even died in the same year. It seems if the Government couldn't separate, them then death had no hope! They were a church going family and Margaret married one of Rev. John Dunmore Lang's Scottish immigrants before they went off in a horse and cart and helped found the town of Scone ("before a tree was felled"). I am proud of this truly remarkable little family group. I am still anxious to know how Robert "however-he-spells-his-name" fits in to the story but it has been a little difficult to find information on his death since there are SO many variances of the spelling of that name. Every time he gave his name to a clerk in that thick brogue, they wrote it down a different way! Bernard claims to have come from Armagh (not Glasgow where he was convicted and where he lived with Ann) and Robert's surname sounds Irish so they may have met through both being Irish (kindred spirits). Though Bernard was thirty years older than Robert!!!! When they were all convicted of this crime of "receiving stolen goods" on the same day. I have been unable to find any record of Bernard Hughes birth in Ireland whatsoever despite hours upon hours or research. Thank you for the information about Henry Ledge. I think this is also a variant spelling. Could be Lodge of could be Ledger. I like having something more concrete to work and go methodically from documents with but I think I may have to go 'sideways' on this one and take a punt. Henry Lodge sounds like he may be the one. Thank you for that information. An "e" and an "o" can look similar in handwriting. Thank you also for the information about the graves and the link to the cemetery. It is much appreciated. Kerri From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 6:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Kerri Just a few corrections to ensure your records are correct. Ann and Bernard/Barnard had both received Conditional Pardons by the time they had died. A Conditional Pardon allowed them much more freedom than just a Ticket of Leave - it gave them freedom (although not being allowed to leave the colony at that stage) :) whereas a TOL could be revoked at any time and had certain restrictions. Being in possession of a TOL still meant that you were classed as a convict. You also stated that you had received the marriage certificate for Elizabeth Hughes. This was not a marriage certificate but a church record of their marriage. Some people say that they don't contain very much information, but I don't agree with them, as they often include some clues.... as your one did. It sounds to me as though you have found the correct marriage because of the inclusion of the witnesses. You also say that you are unsure if Robert Gallagher, Gallocher and Callocher and any other variations of the spelling is the person who was convicted in Scotland at the same time. Have you found his death records ? as this may state the number of years in the colony. Have you obtained the birth certificates of any children born or died after 1856, as these also may provide further evidence. Then, on the other hand, they may not provide you with any concrete. There was no convict by the name of Henry Ledge to arrive as a convict. There was a convict by the name of Henry Lodge who arrived in 1836 on the ":Lady Kennaway" and was free by 1842. There is a book available about the Sydney Burial Ground 1819-1901 and History of Sydney's Early Cemeteries from 1788 by Johnson and Saintly and you will find a copy of this is many libraries..... some listers may have a copy of it. The headstones were moved to a variety of locations, but you could check the Botany Cemetery at: http://www.esmp.net.au/index.htm This web site is searchable - go to Search & Map facility on the left hand side. Are you certain that all the children were taken from Ann on arrival? A child of the age of 3 was sometimes still feeding from her mothers breast and was therefore allowed to stay with the mother at the Factory. That's it for now regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Leslie, To jog your memory. Ann Goldie (alias Hughes) arrived on the Louisa in 1827 with 4 little girls. Mary Ann (11) Isabella (7) Margaret (5) Elizabeth (3) All taken from her as she was put into the Female factory. I come from Margaret's line and doing pretty well with her but want to know about the other girls. I am following all leads as per your suggestions in the previous email below. I have now found on that (Marriage Certificate) that Elizabeth did marry one Robert Gallocher (you may remember that Ann Goldie was and her husband were convicted along with two teenage boys and that it occurred to me that Elizabeth may have actually married one of those boys when he arrived in the colony as the spelling of his name was different but sounded similar. (Robert Gallocher/Callocher). The Certificate arrived but did not give me the clues I was seeking. There is no age for Elizabeth Hughes given - just that she was a spinster. If it is the right Elizabeth she would have been about 18 in 1842 at the time of this marriage so the time is okay. Still don't know if it the same "Robert". I was disappointed until I decided to look up the witnesses. Henry Ledge and Mary Ledge. That marriage told me that Mary Ledge was originally Mary HUGHES! This may be Mary Ann - Elizabeth's big sister !!!! It was an exciting find BUT doesn't help a great deal as I see poor Henry Ledge died a year later! Poor Mary ...... what a life! I would have thought Mary would have remarried . There is a Mary LODGE married to a John Robinson in 1855. Could be her with a different spelling? Does anyone know if Henry Ledge was a convict? Maybe that would help me with some clues. These girls are proving very elusive but does go to show how checking every detail even the witnesses can lead to something. That is, IF this is Elizabeth's sister. It seems Ann and Bernard Hughes died soon after receiving their TOL's (they were older parents of a young family when they arrived) but it looks like the girls may have stayed "close". I am no closer to knowing if this Robert Gallocher/Callocher is the same one convicted along with the girls' parents. Has anyone any ideas? Also - is there a list anywhere of the names of the graves that were moved from Central (Railway Site). I'm struck by the "small" community Sydney town really was in those early days - so many connections between folk. Kind regards, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have a convict who after he had served his time, applied for his family to come to Tassie. He was able to provide evidence that he could support them on their arrival. Who paid for the families to come? Was it a government scheme or the likes? thank you Betty

No Russell What I meant was that if you want a list of those headstones that were transferred to Botany (Pioneer Memorial Park) from Devonshire Street , the details are available for purchase from that group. I don't know if they do look-ups for people regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Russell Ridout Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Scottish Archives Precognitions Hi Lesley Sorry if I misunderstand you, but are you saying that the actual physical gravestones are being sold? Regards

Thanks Lesley You had me worried there for a minute - though it might mean some of the stones are preserved rather than destroyed if past experience is anything to go by. Russell ============================================================================ No Russell What I meant was that if you want a list of those headstones that were transferred to Botany (Pioneer Memorial Park) from Devonshire Street , the details are available for purchase from that group. I don't know if they do look-ups for people regards Lesley Uebel

Did he have anything to do with the sea Jane? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:[email protected] CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jane Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:17 PM To: [email protected]om Subject: [AUS-CON] Definition of a crime Hello All Does anybody out there know what "unlawfully grounding" means ? My GG Grandfather was found guilty of this in Tasmania in 1869 and was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment. He had received his free cert in 1853. I thought that it may possibly be using someone else's land ? Thanks. Jane Elliott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lesley and Gerry, I am not sure whether he had anything much to do with ships or the sea (after he got to Australia anyway). When I looked again (for the 50th time) at his convict record just now, I think the word "grounding" may in fact be wounding". I am still getting used to deciphering the old writing style. Thanks Jane Elliott -------Original Message------- From: Gerry Newnham Date: 19/09/2008 9:53:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Definition of a crime Jane, Would it have anything to do with grounding a ship ie running a ship aground - unlawfully? Gerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jane Sent: 19 September 2008 13:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-CON] Definition of a crime Hello All Does anybody out there know what "unlawfully grounding" means ? My GG Grandfather was found guilty of this in Tasmania in 1869 and was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment. He had received his free cert in 1853. I thought that it may possibly be using someone else's land ? Thanks. Jane Elliott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3455 (20080919) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com