Kerri I had a quick look at the Lloyds site too. It does have some interesting information. I know that Lloyd's published a register of ships each year and sometimes the details of ownership and captain changed from year to year. I was able to look at some of them in the Maritime Museum (Caird library) a couple of years ago. The site does have the year for the data on each ship so you might have to check that the details refer to the same year as other data you have. Another matter to take into consideration is there may be multiple ships of the same name. Cheers Jan -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: 01 October 2008 17:31 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Convict ships Interesting Lesley, that Lloyds site you provided gives the name of the Master of one of the ships I am researching during that period as different to what I have in my records and as appears on other convict sites. Now another mystery to solve........ Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley, I understand what you're saying about each ship having several different Masters in a lifetime but I wonder why a ship would have a consistent Master for several voyages and then suddenly have a change for one voyage and then revert to the original Master? I am one who believes "if something doesn't make sense, begin to start asking questions". You're kind to take an interest and I appreciate it. The Masters of these ships would have been as diverse in personality as were our convicts. There would have been the "kind" and the "cruel". Sometimes they could have been the difference in whether people arrived alive or not! They are such an important part of the story don't you think? The voyage out interests me greatly. These poor people. In some instances 6 or 7 people confined to a space about the size of a regular modern day double bed mattress. How did they do it!!!! The lack of hygiene must have been intolerable and don't forget the added problems for female convicts. They never knew what would be their fate. (There was no TV, no newspapers to tell them about this place called Australia.) They just floated along into an abyss - not knowing what to expect. I believe they were incredible people. Such resilience!!!! Some of the pathetic ships were poor excuses at best for any reasonable form of conveyance - and yet .................... despite the months, storms, inhumane conditions, they arrived! And they put their heads down and built this wonderful country. We have such a rich heritage! I have become interested in all the players - the convicts are only one part - the ships Masters, surgeons etc, all played a major part in the story. We are so fortunate to have such a rich heritage. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 6:43 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Convict ships Hi Kerri The thing is that ships often had more than one Master over the life of a ship and also that there were many ships named the same. I also do not think that the web site I posted is complete - I can guarantee that it isn't. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Convict ships Interesting Lesley, that Lloyds site you provided gives the name of the Master of one of the ships I am researching during that period as different to what I have in my records and as appears on other convict sites. Now another mystery to solve........ Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerri The thing is that ships often had more than one Master over the life of a ship and also that there were many ships named the same. I also do not think that the web site I posted is complete - I can guarantee that it isn't. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Convict ships Interesting Lesley, that Lloyds site you provided gives the name of the Master of one of the ships I am researching during that period as different to what I have in my records and as appears on other convict sites. Now another mystery to solve........ Kerri

Interesting Lesley, that Lloyds site you provided gives the name of the Master of one of the ships I am researching during that period as different to what I have in my records and as appears on other convict sites. Now another mystery to solve........ Kerri

Wendy, Must have been having a blonde moment here.. LOL it happens sometimes.. HEHE!! its all good!! Cheers Sue On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Wendy Lindsay <oziewoo@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > My apologies Sue. Your meaning wasn't that clear with your referral to > "local library" and "indexes". > I saw someone else replied likewise too. :-)) > Cheers Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Olsen" <sueolsensueolsen@gmail.com> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] FW: Convicts- Info on Newnhams to VDL > > > > Meaning ordering the certificates the old fashioned way... > > knew about the indexes online... > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, went a bit overboard with the description, should have said "the best book I know of". Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships > > > Hi all > > Whilst the book is an excellent reference book, given the meaning of > *definitive* the book certainly is not that as it has not included about > 100 > ships that carried convicts to Port Jackson alone. > > Although you can probably obtain a much overpriced second hand copy, you > can > obtain the CD version, or as suggested, borrow it from your library. > > The Historical Records of Australia is an excellent resource. eg > > In/Out: Inwards > Date: 4 August 1802 > Name of Ship: Perseus > Master John Davison > Build British > Tons 362 > Guns 8 > Men 38 > Where / When Built Stockton > When & Where Registered : London > Owners: Reeve & Green >>From Whence: London > Where Bound: China > General Cargo: 3 trunks of cotton, 2 chests slops, 15 kegs lead, 5 barrels > pitch, 5 barrels tar, 2 boxes arrowroot, 1 chest tea, 2 casks shot, parcel > of > ribbons, 4 bags corks, 1 trunk stockings, 2 boxes hats, 4 cases butter, > 240 > gall. of rum, 200 gall. of wine, 300lbs coffee, 400 lbs sugar, 6 kegs > tripe, 30 > head of horned cattle, 4 sheep, 3 goats, 20 casks beef and pork, 1 box spy > glasses. > > > Another great reference is the Lloyds Register of ships at; > > http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Annette Cooke > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:22 AM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships > > > Hi Kerry > > The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". > If > your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on > interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. > > It will answer all your questions. > > Annette > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My apologies Sue. Your meaning wasn't that clear with your referral to "local library" and "indexes". I saw someone else replied likewise too. :-)) Cheers Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Olsen" <sueolsensueolsen@gmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] FW: Convicts- Info on Newnhams to VDL > Meaning ordering the certificates the old fashioned way... > knew about the indexes online... >

Thanks Lesley, That sounds like the kind of information I am after. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 9:15 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Hi all Whilst the book is an excellent reference book, given the meaning of *definitive* the book certainly is not that as it has not included about 100 ships that carried convicts to Port Jackson alone. Although you can probably obtain a much overpriced second hand copy, you can obtain the CD version, or as suggested, borrow it from your library. The Historical Records of Australia is an excellent resource. eg In/Out: Inwards Date: 4 August 1802 Name of Ship: Perseus Master John Davison Build British Tons 362 Guns 8 Men 38 Where / When Built Stockton When & Where Registered : London Owners: Reeve & Green >From Whence: London Where Bound: China General Cargo: 3 trunks of cotton, 2 chests slops, 15 kegs lead, 5 barrels pitch, 5 barrels tar, 2 boxes arrowroot, 1 chest tea, 2 casks shot, parcel of ribbons, 4 bags corks, 1 trunk stockings, 2 boxes hats, 4 cases butter, 240 gall. of rum, 200 gall. of wine, 300lbs coffee, 400 lbs sugar, 6 kegs tripe, 30 head of horned cattle, 4 sheep, 3 goats, 20 casks beef and pork, 1 box spy glasses. Another great reference is the Lloyds Register of ships at; http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Annette Cooke Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:22 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Hi Kerry The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". If your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. It will answer all your questions. Annette ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth Many thanks for bringing that to my attention about the land and being a tennant farmer. I never put the two together That is why it is always good to put enquiries and theories on the Mailing List Thanks Louise -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for Personal use. SPAMfighter has removed 1956 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Trial and Professional version does not have this message in the email

Hi all Whilst the book is an excellent reference book, given the meaning of *definitive* the book certainly is not that as it has not included about 100 ships that carried convicts to Port Jackson alone. Although you can probably obtain a much overpriced second hand copy, you can obtain the CD version, or as suggested, borrow it from your library. The Historical Records of Australia is an excellent resource. eg In/Out: Inwards Date: 4 August 1802 Name of Ship: Perseus Master John Davison Build British Tons 362 Guns 8 Men 38 Where / When Built Stockton When & Where Registered : London Owners: Reeve & Green >From Whence: London Where Bound: China General Cargo: 3 trunks of cotton, 2 chests slops, 15 kegs lead, 5 barrels pitch, 5 barrels tar, 2 boxes arrowroot, 1 chest tea, 2 casks shot, parcel of ribbons, 4 bags corks, 1 trunk stockings, 2 boxes hats, 4 cases butter, 240 gall. of rum, 200 gall. of wine, 300lbs coffee, 400 lbs sugar, 6 kegs tripe, 30 head of horned cattle, 4 sheep, 3 goats, 20 casks beef and pork, 1 box spy glasses. Another great reference is the Lloyds Register of ships at; http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Annette Cooke Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:22 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Hi Kerry The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". If your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. It will answer all your questions. Annette

Thanks Listers. Yes, I did see a copy of that book years ago but I wasn't interested in the ships themselves at the time. You have jogged my memory and I am on the way back to the Library! Cheers,Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Daly Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 7:24 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Kerri Try to get hold of a copy of the book by Charles Bateson titled "The Convict Ships 1787-1868." There may be a copy in your local library. Apart from a comprehensive list of the ships, masters, number of convicts etc there is a great deal of information on the ownership of various ships and the difficulties of "outsourcing" (to use a modern term) particularly in the Second Fleet. A lot of the ships were privately owned and contracted to take the convicts to Sydney and other ports. Regards Jan Daly Descendant of eight convicts. -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: 01 October 2008 06:34 To: AUS-CONVICTS Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kerri Try to get hold of a copy of the book by Charles Bateson titled "The Convict Ships 1787-1868." There may be a copy in your local library. Apart from a comprehensive list of the ships, masters, number of convicts etc there is a great deal of information on the ownership of various ships and the difficulties of "outsourcing" (to use a modern term) particularly in the Second Fleet. A lot of the ships were privately owned and contracted to take the convicts to Sydney and other ports. Regards Jan Daly Descendant of eight convicts. -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: 01 October 2008 06:34 To: AUS-CONVICTS Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerry The definitive book on Convict ships is Bateson's, "The Convict Ships". If your local library does not have it, they should be able to get in on interlibrary loan for you. I think it is out of print. It will answer all your questions. Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson" <kerriferguson@dodo.com.au> To: "AUS-CONVICTS" <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:33 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] The Convict ships > > Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of > them > owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping > Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in > researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted > on the arrival musters as a matter of course? > > > > And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private > individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone > know > what the breakdown was? > > > > Kerri > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know much about the convict ships themselves? Were any of them owned by the Royal Navy or were they all privately owned by Shipping Companies? I have yet to find a reference to a Shipping company in researching the few ships I am interested in - wouldn't it have been noted on the arrival musters as a matter of course? And on from there - were the ships Master's Royal Nay men or private individuals? If there was a mix of Navy and Private ships does anyone know what the breakdown was? Kerri

Meaning ordering the certificates the old fashioned way... knew about the indexes online... Sue. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Wendy Lindsay <oziewoo@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Sue said > > > Tassy unfortunately as with queensland you have to do it the old > fashioned > > way unless you have a local library which holds the indexes to Births > > deaths > > The Qld BDM's are now online at > http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/829.htm > > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kim McLymont (and variations) is a Scottish surname. The IGI has 2 Isabellas born in Scotland between 1820 and 1830, both in 1823. They were Isabella McClyment baptised 8 April 1823 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty. She was the daughter of Anthony McClyment and Annabella Clark. Issbell McClymont baptised 14 December 1823 in Maybole, Ayr. She was the daughter of William McClymont and Mary Munn. Rhoda

Hi Louise, What a job trying to research a John Jones! There were 59 John Jones in the 1828 census. Re the children of the 1st fleet Edward Jones there is a John Jones, Born Colony aged 32 in the 1828 census who is a shipwright, married with children in Erskine Street Sydney, who is possibly the son of Edward Jones, 1st Fleet ; he is the only John Jones BC of an appropriate age in the Census that I could see. Also I would think it unlikely that the son of a first fleet Convict who had land at one stage, would end up a tenant farmer in 1842. Good Luck with your very difficult research. Regards Elizabeth Roberts 7. Edward JONES and Martha BEDDINGFIELD First Fleeters ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:02:45 +1000 From: "louise" <walburn@bigpond.com> Subject: [AUS-CON] Edward JONES and Martha BEDDINGFIELD First Fleeters Hi I am trying to find if anyone is researching this family as I am trying to see if there son John JONES is the same one as my John JONES who married Margaret HIGGINS? Still on my brickwall with John JONES and his wife Margaret HIGGINS. I am hoping that someone maybe able to steer me in the correct direction if I have mixed family information, as I have done in the past while trying to locate the correct John and Margaret JONES. Information I have to date John JONES and Margaret HIGGINS married 1842 Presbyterian in Parish: Denbie; Hunter District; Maitland; Morpeth; Paterson; Singleton. No details given for John or Margaret as to if free/convict ship of arrival. Their issue Mary JONES born 1844 in East Bulwarra and her father listed as a Tennant Farmer Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England Margaret JONES born 1845 Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England I have found that a Edward JONES of the First Fleet married a Martha BEDDINGFIELD in 1788 and that they had the following issue Sarah JONES born/bapt 1794 John JONES born/bapt 1796/1798 Edward JONES born/bapt 1799 This John I thought maybe my John JONES who marries Margaret HIGGINS, as I found the above John's brother and sister married in Maitland, in the years 1843 and 1836. Further investigation showed that Edward JONES First Fleet died in 1842 aged 80/82 years in Sydney; Martha having predeceased him in 1817 aged 53 years. Also, that from 1825 till his death in 1842, Edward worked as a baker in Sydney. His sons would of worked with him as they didn't begin to marry till John 1842 (If he is my John JONES) although their sister already married in 1836; which in those times I assume the daughter would be married off early especially as her mother was dead (1817), and the boys left to help their father. My Mary JONES states her father's occupation was that of a Baker when she marries George WALBURN, (who was a great grand son of First Fleeter James WALBOURN and Sophia LEWIS). Perhaps another clue as both great grandfathers were First Fleeters and families probably knew each other. Many thanks Louise ********

Sue said > Tassy unfortunately as with queensland you have to do it the old fashioned > way unless you have a local library which holds the indexes to Births > deaths The Qld BDM's are now online at http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/829.htm Wendy

Hi. I did a day bus trip 3 yrs ago to the Goomeri and Tansey area, Queensland. We stopped for lunch at Boonara Homestead. Nearby was a small country C. of E. Church, with a small amount of land set aside for the burial site of the David Jones family of store fame. At the time it fascinated me, I can't remember the story associated with the site, but perhaps if you rang the Kilkivan Council, 54841133 or Kilkivan museum on 54841612 they could give you further information. Regards, Joan -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max Bancroft Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2008 11:15 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] The final resting place of David Jones I would be interested in knowing the final resting place of David Jones who died 29 Nov 1872 in Sydney. I was told he died of self strangulation while intoxicated. If this was considered suicide, would this have a bearing as to where he was interred? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am trying to find if anyone is researching this family as I am trying to see if there son John JONES is the same one as my John JONES who married Margaret HIGGINS? Still on my brickwall with John JONES and his wife Margaret HIGGINS. I am hoping that someone maybe able to steer me in the correct direction if I have mixed family information, as I have done in the past while trying to locate the correct John and Margaret JONES. Information I have to date John JONES and Margaret HIGGINS married 1842 Presbyterian in Parish: Denbie; Hunter District; Maitland; Morpeth; Paterson; Singleton. No details given for John or Margaret as to if free/convict ship of arrival. Their issue Mary JONES born 1844 in East Bulwarra and her father listed as a Tennant Farmer Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England Margaret JONES born 1845 Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England I have found that a Edward JONES of the First Fleet married a Martha BEDDINGFIELD in 1788 and that they had the following issue Sarah JONES born/bapt 1794 John JONES born/bapt 1796/1798 Edward JONES born/bapt 1799 This John I thought maybe my John JONES who marries Margaret HIGGINS, as I found the above John's brother and sister married in Maitland, in the years 1843 and 1836. Further investigation showed that Edward JONES First Fleet died in 1842 aged 80/82 years in Sydney; Martha having predeceased him in 1817 aged 53 years. Also, that from 1825 till his death in 1842, Edward worked as a baker in Sydney. His sons would of worked with him as they didn't begin to marry till John 1842 (If he is my John JONES) although their sister already married in 1836; which in those times I assume the daughter would be married off early especially as her mother was dead (1817), and the boys left to help their father. My Mary JONES states her father's occupation was that of a Baker when she marries George WALBURN, (who was a great grand son of First Fleeter James WALBOURN and Sophia LEWIS). Perhaps another clue as both great grandfathers were First Fleeters and families probably knew each other. Many thanks Louise -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 1928 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len