The two convicts were late bloomers he was about 53,she 48. Both deaths are registered for Jeremiah and Eliza, but I can make the leap forward to the next Jeremiah in my file. Cheers Rhonda > Sue Olsen <sueolsensueolsen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Rhonda, any idea how old they would have been when they arrived here > in > Australia.. there are a few options on the BDM's that could be them.. > but it > would depend on the age on arrival. > > Sue. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Rhonda Brownlow > <brownlowr@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > > > I am trying to sort out the family of Jeremiah Donovan arrived > "Hadlow" > > 1818 > > & Eliza Donovan she arrived on the "Brothers" 1823, I have been > tracing the > > Donovan family and wonder if these two convicts are connected to > Jeremiah > > Donovan in Waverly Cemetery. Perhaps one of the listers might be able > to > > help me please. > > > > Cheers Rhonda > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne and list A William Wells is listed in the publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire" as follows Name William Wells No age given Date 30/3/1818 Place of trial Boston Borough Sessions Time 7 years Year of leaving 1820 for NSW Ship Dromedary. The publication lists 6 others of the surname Wells. If anyone is interested in them let me know Regards Cynthia -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au Sent: 15 October 2008 22:45 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] WELLS Hi Allan and list, After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking a liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at all, and if I can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, from Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict on the Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, on same ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. I don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in Birmingham 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details also of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if this may help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary NEWPORT, dau of convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married Elizabeth ENO, convict, also from Lincolnshire. Happy huntin'. Regards always Lynne in Tas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 15/10/2008 07:29

Hi Allan and list, After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking a liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at all, and if I can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, from Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict on the Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, on same ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. I don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in Birmingham 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details also of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if this may help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary NEWPORT, dau of convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married Elizabeth ENO, convict, also from Lincolnshire. Happy huntin'. Regards always Lynne in Tas.

Can I suggest that if Kerri or anyone else still has issues with each other that they contact each other privately instead of continuing it publicly. Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Ferguson" <kerriferguson@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > Dear Janet. > > This Is my real name. I have no idea how many other people of the same > name > there are in Australia (can this get any sillier?????) And I do not > know > if you choose to be anonymous or not - I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT!!!!! I am > NOT using a fictional name! > > If you are, then that is a matter for yourself. > > I DID read your email - I read VERY carefully and do not jump to > conclusions. I concur with your sentiments that some cannot gain > information in any other way because of the constraints you have > outlined. > What is the point you are trying to make? > > I guess this just goes to show that there is sometimes a breakdown in > communication does it not? > > Again - where is this all coming from - I believe Allen and Lesley can > speak > up for themselves - can't they? Why are so many assuming to write for > them? > > How this took a giant leap to an accusation that I may be writing under an > anonymous name is beyond me. "Some of us could be using fictional names? > What on earth is this all about? > > For the record - I am not using a "fictional" (sic) name. Nor a fictitious > one. I have never even contemplated doing so. I resent the inference I > may > be anonymous and am perfectly happy to provide my personal details to > whomever requests them from this site and meet with them face to face if > requested to do so to discuss any issue they may have....... do I not now > deserve apology for a veiled accusation that I may be using a "fictional > name". Please ....... can't you just get on with it. Crass and rude - > such > an accusation goes beyond being crass and rude if I may be permitted to > say > so. In the interests of putting to rest any ill feeling, would you like to > meet for a cup of coffee so we can discuss our differing opinions? I > would > be more than happy to do so. And I believe we would both benefit greatly > from the experience. > > An apology IS an apology if it is given in good faith. I apologised for > what > I did that may have been misconstrued - not for a dearth of nonsense that > was added by others after the fact for which I was NOT responsible. I > hope > that the person in charge of the website DOES put a stop to this. Why > does > the vitriol continue after I have apologised for ANY misinterpretation > that > may have occurred? That's a matter for you to answer as I cannot.. > > Kerri > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 9:17 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > Your apology? "notwithstanding I stand by all comments in the messages I > have sent after that" After what? Haven't seen any yet. An apology isn't > an > apology if it has conditions. > > Yes, you do write anonymously, we all do. Just because we sign (not a > signature) with a Christian name and Surname doesn't mean we are not > anonymous. I dare say there are numerous Kerri Fergusons in Australia nay > the World. And , of course some of us could be using fictional names. > Therefore let's get real we are all anonymous. Oh, I read these messages > properly. But as I said I don't need to waste my time reading anything > that > is not pertinent to the list. Which I did today because someone decided to > be, in my opinion, unnecessarily crass and rude. I do have a right to an > opinion. And before I continue, I apologise for wasting the lists eyesight > and time in reading this email. > > If my email was read correctly - I did not write 'not being able to gain > information any other way' I said that this list was beneficial because > some > had physical, financial & geogaphical restraints. Read my email. > > So! You know Allen personally? The man asked a perfectly reasonably > question > in a polite fashion and your responses to his query to this list were > WHAT? > > > Allen, if you are reading this, I'm truly sorry that you are innocently > involved. > > This should never have happened and I am sorry I have wasted my time. > > Janet Hammon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:54 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > Janet, > > I did NOT write anonymously and have never done so! I resent bitterly the > accusation that I would do so. And I have never spoken anything I would > not > speak in person. I have no compunction about speaking anything I have to > say to anyone face-to-face. Whatever would you possess to make such an > accusation. I am left wondering if people really read these messages > properly. > > An apology was posted after an objection was lodged on the occasion you > mention - you are correct ! As it was on this occasion!!!!! > > Interesting are your comments about not being able to gain information any > other way Janet. Some years ago, I was berated on THIS VERY SITE for > getting my information from a computer when others were doing the "real" > research!!!!!!!!! > > As for Allan, I feel he can speak for himself and is, I can only hope, > more > gracious than you give him credit for. > > In my experience, when someone apologises for having said something that > may > have been misconstrued, then it's gracious for everyone to move on. As, > incidentally was LESLEY'S instruction on the occasion you remember of a > few > weeks ago. I am becoming increasingly interested as to why there is a > different standard of rules applied to each apology? > > I will not repeat my apology - it has been given and that is the end of > it. > If you wish to carry on with it then do so. But I would remind you of > Lesley's advice on that occasion - to just get over it and move on! > > Kerri > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:35 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > How rude! > > I for one, smart I may not be, have had nothing but good & helpful advice > from all and especially Leslie Ubel on this mailing list. I apologise on > behalf of all to Allen. Allen, new to the list, asked a very good > question. > Goodness knows what Allen now thinks of this list. I viewed the > "accidental > email" a couple of weeks ago and reolised almost immediately that the > sender > had made a silly mistake and if my old memory serves me well enough, an > apology was posted. Enough said. > > BUT to post rude insensitive unnecessary comments (not accidently) is a > total waste of my precious time and I'm sure waste of email reading time > for > all who submit and gain information on this list. After a busy day I sat > at > my computer to have to read at least 10! I haven't got time for this > nonsense! > > It should not be forgotten that many who ask advice from the list are in > one > way or another unable to obtain it any other way. Whether they be > financially, physically or geographically unable. And we all benefit from > the responding emails to the questions. > > I have only once or twice been able to assist someone on the list, > received > an instant thanks and felt soooo good to have helped. If this makes me a > "show off" Bring it on! > > I've gone on a bit but unfortunately I'm angry and I think I should get > angry about much more important things going on in the world. > > Perhaps the lesson here is this - BEFORE YOU WRITE ANONIMOUSLY THINK IF > YOU > WOULD SPEAK IT IN PERSON. > > Janet Hammon > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:31 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > Onya Allan, > > They'll love you - as they will all have someone to whomethey can show > off! See if Ms.Uebel answers!!!!! > > Can't wait to see the answer. > > Kes > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wells > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:29 PM > To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > Hello, > > I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of the > reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry > Patrick has > 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. > > Many thanks > > Allan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 > 2:02 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 > 2:02 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The bad manners & sniping on the list had better stop immediately. If listers have issues with other listers TAKE YOUR SNIPING OFF-LIST!!!!! Otherwise I will take all offenders off-list. Make no mistake, there will be no hesitation in cancelling membership. This list is for the advancement of knowledge about our convict ancestors. Take all your petty squabbles off-list or I will take offenders off this list ........... permanently. I live in Western Australia and sometimes don't get to see postings until 10.00PM Eastern Time but let me tell you I've seen enough. So be warned. Enough is enough. I don't want to see postings denigrating other listers & I'm sure none of the other 700 or so listers want to see it either. So, any more & ALL offenders will be whistling into cyberspace. Enough. Kim List Admin Note: This message was sent last night but for some reason hasn't appeared on the list.

Hi Rhonda, any idea how old they would have been when they arrived here in Australia.. there are a few options on the BDM's that could be them.. but it would depend on the age on arrival. Sue. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Rhonda Brownlow <brownlowr@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > I am trying to sort out the family of Jeremiah Donovan arrived "Hadlow" > 1818 > & Eliza Donovan she arrived on the "Brothers" 1823, I have been tracing the > Donovan family and wonder if these two convicts are connected to Jeremiah > Donovan in Waverly Cemetery. Perhaps one of the listers might be able to > help me please. > > Cheers Rhonda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am trying to sort out the family of Jeremiah Donovan arrived "Hadlow" 1818 & Eliza Donovan she arrived on the "Brothers" 1823, I have been tracing the Donovan family and wonder if these two convicts are connected to Jeremiah Donovan in Waverly Cemetery. Perhaps one of the listers might be able to help me please. Cheers Rhonda

Hi All, We all agree that this has gone on long enough! Just remember that we are on this list to learn & seek information about our ancestors, Not to leave trivial information for our descendants to read. MOVE ON Wayne > From: jml1940@bigpond.net.au> To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:14:25 +1000> Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on ships... and other such things.> > I have only just sucscribed to this service. I plan to unsubscribe asap. On occasions I too show off the work I have done...but I don't see that as showing off... slight difference one would imagine. > > Why would anyone want their mail box filled with so many trivial, intolerant and rudely insulting messages. I really thought genealogists would be a cut above that sort of going on.. Get a life... and just remember most questions are genuine calls for assistance. build a bridge and get over it...whatever toodles....Judith> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

Dear Janet. This Is my real name. I have no idea how many other people of the same name there are in Australia (can this get any sillier?????) And I do not know if you choose to be anonymous or not - I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT!!!!! I am NOT using a fictional name! If you are, then that is a matter for yourself. I DID read your email - I read VERY carefully and do not jump to conclusions. I concur with your sentiments that some cannot gain information in any other way because of the constraints you have outlined. What is the point you are trying to make? I guess this just goes to show that there is sometimes a breakdown in communication does it not? Again - where is this all coming from - I believe Allen and Lesley can speak up for themselves - can't they? Why are so many assuming to write for them? How this took a giant leap to an accusation that I may be writing under an anonymous name is beyond me. "Some of us could be using fictional names? What on earth is this all about? For the record - I am not using a "fictional" (sic) name. Nor a fictitious one. I have never even contemplated doing so. I resent the inference I may be anonymous and am perfectly happy to provide my personal details to whomever requests them from this site and meet with them face to face if requested to do so to discuss any issue they may have....... do I not now deserve apology for a veiled accusation that I may be using a "fictional name". Please ....... can't you just get on with it. Crass and rude - such an accusation goes beyond being crass and rude if I may be permitted to say so. In the interests of putting to rest any ill feeling, would you like to meet for a cup of coffee so we can discuss our differing opinions? I would be more than happy to do so. And I believe we would both benefit greatly from the experience. An apology IS an apology if it is given in good faith. I apologised for what I did that may have been misconstrued - not for a dearth of nonsense that was added by others after the fact for which I was NOT responsible. I hope that the person in charge of the website DOES put a stop to this. Why does the vitriol continue after I have apologised for ANY misinterpretation that may have occurred? That's a matter for you to answer as I cannot.. Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 9:17 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Your apology? "notwithstanding I stand by all comments in the messages I have sent after that" After what? Haven't seen any yet. An apology isn't an apology if it has conditions. Yes, you do write anonymously, we all do. Just because we sign (not a signature) with a Christian name and Surname doesn't mean we are not anonymous. I dare say there are numerous Kerri Fergusons in Australia nay the World. And , of course some of us could be using fictional names. Therefore let's get real we are all anonymous. Oh, I read these messages properly. But as I said I don't need to waste my time reading anything that is not pertinent to the list. Which I did today because someone decided to be, in my opinion, unnecessarily crass and rude. I do have a right to an opinion. And before I continue, I apologise for wasting the lists eyesight and time in reading this email. If my email was read correctly - I did not write 'not being able to gain information any other way' I said that this list was beneficial because some had physical, financial & geogaphical restraints. Read my email. So! You know Allen personally? The man asked a perfectly reasonably question in a polite fashion and your responses to his query to this list were WHAT? Allen, if you are reading this, I'm truly sorry that you are innocently involved. This should never have happened and I am sorry I have wasted my time. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:54 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Janet, I did NOT write anonymously and have never done so! I resent bitterly the accusation that I would do so. And I have never spoken anything I would not speak in person. I have no compunction about speaking anything I have to say to anyone face-to-face. Whatever would you possess to make such an accusation. I am left wondering if people really read these messages properly. An apology was posted after an objection was lodged on the occasion you mention - you are correct ! As it was on this occasion!!!!! Interesting are your comments about not being able to gain information any other way Janet. Some years ago, I was berated on THIS VERY SITE for getting my information from a computer when others were doing the "real" research!!!!!!!!! As for Allan, I feel he can speak for himself and is, I can only hope, more gracious than you give him credit for. In my experience, when someone apologises for having said something that may have been misconstrued, then it's gracious for everyone to move on. As, incidentally was LESLEY'S instruction on the occasion you remember of a few weeks ago. I am becoming increasingly interested as to why there is a different standard of rules applied to each apology? I will not repeat my apology - it has been given and that is the end of it. If you wish to carry on with it then do so. But I would remind you of Lesley's advice on that occasion - to just get over it and move on! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:35 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster How rude! I for one, smart I may not be, have had nothing but good & helpful advice from all and especially Leslie Ubel on this mailing list. I apologise on behalf of all to Allen. Allen, new to the list, asked a very good question. Goodness knows what Allen now thinks of this list. I viewed the "accidental email" a couple of weeks ago and reolised almost immediately that the sender had made a silly mistake and if my old memory serves me well enough, an apology was posted. Enough said. BUT to post rude insensitive unnecessary comments (not accidently) is a total waste of my precious time and I'm sure waste of email reading time for all who submit and gain information on this list. After a busy day I sat at my computer to have to read at least 10! I haven't got time for this nonsense! It should not be forgotten that many who ask advice from the list are in one way or another unable to obtain it any other way. Whether they be financially, physically or geographically unable. And we all benefit from the responding emails to the questions. I have only once or twice been able to assist someone on the list, received an instant thanks and felt soooo good to have helped. If this makes me a "show off" Bring it on! I've gone on a bit but unfortunately I'm angry and I think I should get angry about much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps the lesson here is this - BEFORE YOU WRITE ANONIMOUSLY THINK IF YOU WOULD SPEAK IT IN PERSON. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Onya Allan, They'll love you - as they will all have someone to whomethey can show off! See if Ms.Uebel answers!!!!! Can't wait to see the answer. Kes -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wells Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:29 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Hello, I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of the reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry Patrick has 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. Many thanks Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Allan, Seems we have temporarily forgotten our manners on the List!.We are glad to hear from you and welcome you to the List. I hope we can help unravel your puzzle if someone hasn't already.We look forward to more posts and remember that your fellow Listers are available to bounce that idea off or get that second opinion. The genealogy talent and depth of knowledge on this List is phenomenal.I am sure you can add to the mix. Hope we can help soon. Regards Rob Central Coast NSW

Your apology? "notwithstanding I stand by all comments in the messages I have sent after that" After what? Haven't seen any yet. An apology isn't an apology if it has conditions. Yes, you do write anonymously, we all do. Just because we sign (not a signature) with a Christian name and Surname doesn't mean we are not anonymous. I dare say there are numerous Kerri Fergusons in Australia nay the World. And , of course some of us could be using fictional names. Therefore let's get real we are all anonymous. Oh, I read these messages properly. But as I said I don't need to waste my time reading anything that is not pertinent to the list. Which I did today because someone decided to be, in my opinion, unnecessarily crass and rude. I do have a right to an opinion. And before I continue, I apologise for wasting the lists eyesight and time in reading this email. If my email was read correctly - I did not write 'not being able to gain information any other way' I said that this list was beneficial because some had physical, financial & geogaphical restraints. Read my email. So! You know Allen personally? The man asked a perfectly reasonably question in a polite fashion and your responses to his query to this list were WHAT? Allen, if you are reading this, I'm truly sorry that you are innocently involved. This should never have happened and I am sorry I have wasted my time. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:54 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Janet, I did NOT write anonymously and have never done so! I resent bitterly the accusation that I would do so. And I have never spoken anything I would not speak in person. I have no compunction about speaking anything I have to say to anyone face-to-face. Whatever would you possess to make such an accusation. I am left wondering if people really read these messages properly. An apology was posted after an objection was lodged on the occasion you mention - you are correct ! As it was on this occasion!!!!! Interesting are your comments about not being able to gain information any other way Janet. Some years ago, I was berated on THIS VERY SITE for getting my information from a computer when others were doing the "real" research!!!!!!!!! As for Allan, I feel he can speak for himself and is, I can only hope, more gracious than you give him credit for. In my experience, when someone apologises for having said something that may have been misconstrued, then it's gracious for everyone to move on. As, incidentally was LESLEY'S instruction on the occasion you remember of a few weeks ago. I am becoming increasingly interested as to why there is a different standard of rules applied to each apology? I will not repeat my apology - it has been given and that is the end of it. If you wish to carry on with it then do so. But I would remind you of Lesley's advice on that occasion - to just get over it and move on! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:35 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster How rude! I for one, smart I may not be, have had nothing but good & helpful advice from all and especially Leslie Ubel on this mailing list. I apologise on behalf of all to Allen. Allen, new to the list, asked a very good question. Goodness knows what Allen now thinks of this list. I viewed the "accidental email" a couple of weeks ago and reolised almost immediately that the sender had made a silly mistake and if my old memory serves me well enough, an apology was posted. Enough said. BUT to post rude insensitive unnecessary comments (not accidently) is a total waste of my precious time and I'm sure waste of email reading time for all who submit and gain information on this list. After a busy day I sat at my computer to have to read at least 10! I haven't got time for this nonsense! It should not be forgotten that many who ask advice from the list are in one way or another unable to obtain it any other way. Whether they be financially, physically or geographically unable. And we all benefit from the responding emails to the questions. I have only once or twice been able to assist someone on the list, received an instant thanks and felt soooo good to have helped. If this makes me a "show off" Bring it on! I've gone on a bit but unfortunately I'm angry and I think I should get angry about much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps the lesson here is this - BEFORE YOU WRITE ANONIMOUSLY THINK IF YOU WOULD SPEAK IT IN PERSON. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Onya Allan, They'll love you - as they will all have someone to whomethey can show off! See if Ms.Uebel answers!!!!! Can't wait to see the answer. Kes -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wells Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:29 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Hello, I am new to this list. 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Hello Diane, many thanks for your input. You have put me on a path of understanding that I would not have thought of on my own. At least not for some time any way. Best wishes Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <dianep@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > Hi again Allan, > > Just a follow up ... > > The heading for the 1st column on the indent is No. (as in number). > If you compare the writing "style" and other numbering on the indent, > I think you may find that the number/s is actually 2039 124, > with the down stroke on the nine being somewhat cursive and fancy. > > > Regards, > Diane > North West Sydney > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane" <dianep@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > >> Hi Allan, >> >> The 40/1939 is his Ticket of Leave No. (issued in 1840, number 1939). >> >> The below reference is taken from the Society of Australian Genealogists >> Ticket of Leave database ( http://www.sag.org.au ) >> >> Last name Mulvy >> First name Patrick >> Ship Asia >> Year 1831 >> Native place NR >> Trade or calling NR >> District Roscommon >> Ticket no 40/1939 >> State Records shelf ref 4/4143 >> State Records reel no 937 >> >> >> Regards, >> Diane >> North West Sydney >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allan Wells" <wells@cyberone.com.au> >> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:28 PM >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of >>> the >>> reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry >>> Patrick has >>> 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> Allan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by CyberOne E-Mail Spam and > Virus Protection Service, and is believed to > be clean from viruses. CyberOne Pty Ltd accepts no > responsibility for the content of messages > in transit through our servers. > -- > Suspected unsolicited commercial bulk messages > (SPAM) have been marked with {Spam?} tag in > the subject line enabling you to filter them out > by using your mail software's filtering capabilities. > >

I have only just sucscribed to this service. I plan to unsubscribe asap. On occasions I too show off the work I have done...but I don't see that as showing off... slight difference one would imagine. Why would anyone want their mail box filled with so many trivial, intolerant and rudely insulting messages. I really thought genealogists would be a cut above that sort of going on.. Get a life... and just remember most questions are genuine calls for assistance. build a bridge and get over it...whatever toodles....Judith

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Janet, I did NOT write anonymously and have never done so! I resent bitterly the accusation that I would do so. And I have never spoken anything I would not speak in person. I have no compunction about speaking anything I have to say to anyone face-to-face. Whatever would you possess to make such an accusation. I am left wondering if people really read these messages properly. An apology was posted after an objection was lodged on the occasion you mention - you are correct ! As it was on this occasion!!!!! Interesting are your comments about not being able to gain information any other way Janet. Some years ago, I was berated on THIS VERY SITE for getting my information from a computer when others were doing the "real" research!!!!!!!!! As for Allan, I feel he can speak for himself and is, I can only hope, more gracious than you give him credit for. In my experience, when someone apologises for having said something that may have been misconstrued, then it's gracious for everyone to move on. As, incidentally was LESLEY'S instruction on the occasion you remember of a few weeks ago. I am becoming increasingly interested as to why there is a different standard of rules applied to each apology? I will not repeat my apology - it has been given and that is the end of it. If you wish to carry on with it then do so. But I would remind you of Lesley's advice on that occasion - to just get over it and move on! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hammon Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 7:35 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster How rude! I for one, smart I may not be, have had nothing but good & helpful advice from all and especially Leslie Ubel on this mailing list. I apologise on behalf of all to Allen. Allen, new to the list, asked a very good question. Goodness knows what Allen now thinks of this list. I viewed the "accidental email" a couple of weeks ago and reolised almost immediately that the sender had made a silly mistake and if my old memory serves me well enough, an apology was posted. Enough said. BUT to post rude insensitive unnecessary comments (not accidently) is a total waste of my precious time and I'm sure waste of email reading time for all who submit and gain information on this list. After a busy day I sat at my computer to have to read at least 10! I haven't got time for this nonsense! It should not be forgotten that many who ask advice from the list are in one way or another unable to obtain it any other way. Whether they be financially, physically or geographically unable. And we all benefit from the responding emails to the questions. I have only once or twice been able to assist someone on the list, received an instant thanks and felt soooo good to have helped. If this makes me a "show off" Bring it on! I've gone on a bit but unfortunately I'm angry and I think I should get angry about much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps the lesson here is this - BEFORE YOU WRITE ANONIMOUSLY THINK IF YOU WOULD SPEAK IT IN PERSON. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Onya Allan, They'll love you - as they will all have someone to whomethey can show off! See if Ms.Uebel answers!!!!! Can't wait to see the answer. Kes -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wells Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:29 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Hello, I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of the reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry Patrick has 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. Many thanks Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How rude! I for one, smart I may not be, have had nothing but good & helpful advice from all and especially Leslie Ubel on this mailing list. I apologise on behalf of all to Allen. Allen, new to the list, asked a very good question. Goodness knows what Allen now thinks of this list. I viewed the "accidental email" a couple of weeks ago and reolised almost immediately that the sender had made a silly mistake and if my old memory serves me well enough, an apology was posted. Enough said. BUT to post rude insensitive unnecessary comments (not accidently) is a total waste of my precious time and I'm sure waste of email reading time for all who submit and gain information on this list. After a busy day I sat at my computer to have to read at least 10! I haven't got time for this nonsense! It should not be forgotten that many who ask advice from the list are in one way or another unable to obtain it any other way. Whether they be financially, physically or geographically unable. And we all benefit from the responding emails to the questions. I have only once or twice been able to assist someone on the list, received an instant thanks and felt soooo good to have helped. If this makes me a "show off" Bring it on! I've gone on a bit but unfortunately I'm angry and I think I should get angry about much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps the lesson here is this - BEFORE YOU WRITE ANONIMOUSLY THINK IF YOU WOULD SPEAK IT IN PERSON. Janet Hammon -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:31 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Onya Allan, They'll love you - as they will all have someone to whomethey can show off! See if Ms.Uebel answers!!!!! Can't wait to see the answer. Kes -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Wells Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:29 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster Hello, I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of the reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry Patrick has 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. Many thanks Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM

The bad manners & sniping on the list had better stop immediately. If listers have issues with other listers TAKE YOUR SNIPING OFF-LIST!!!!! Otherwise I will take all offenders off-list. Make no mistake, there will be no hesitation in cancelling membership. This list is for the advancement of knowledge about our convict ancestors. Take all your petty squabbles off-list or I will take offenders off this list ........... permanently. I live in Western Australia and sometimes don't get to see postings until 10.00PM Eastern Time but let me tell you I've seen enough. So be warned. Enough is enough. I don't want to see postings denigrating other listers & I'm sure none of the other 700 or so listers want to see it either. So, any more & ALL offenders will be whistling into cyberspace. Enough. Kim List Admin

Greetings to ALL on this wonderful list and a very warm welcome to any new members, especially those who may be, like me, enthusiastic but novice genealogists. I have been on this list for the last 5 or 6 years and have derived the utmost pleasure and fascination for the subject of our convict ancestors; and this despite the fact that a wonderful Australian list member ( Joan Proud) advised me three years ago that my convict never actually left the UK! I have stayed on the list ever since simply because I have enjoyed reading the history, the information and the exchange of ideas. Connie Williams in the UK -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Willcocks Sent: 15 October 2008 18:09 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com; Judith Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on ships... and other such things. Hi Judith: Welcome to this list. I for one hope you will stay. The "flame war" we have just witnessed is distressing, and I hope the listowner will end it immediately. I have personally experinced much help form list members and have not seen such an outbirst on this list for as long as I can remember, so please be assured it is not a common happening here. I for one will not quote the entire digest again, wveruone knows what they have seen. It appears that Allan's questions were answered. How can we help you? Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT. USA. ------ "Judith" wrote: I have only just sucscribed to this service. I plan to unsubscribe asap. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Allan, Just a follow up ... The heading for the 1st column on the indent is No. (as in number). If you compare the writing "style" and other numbering on the indent, I think you may find that the number/s is actually 2039 124, with the down stroke on the nine being somewhat cursive and fancy. Regards, Diane North West Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <dianep@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > Hi Allan, > > The 40/1939 is his Ticket of Leave No. (issued in 1840, number 1939). > > The below reference is taken from the Society of Australian Genealogists > Ticket of Leave database ( http://www.sag.org.au ) > > Last name Mulvy > First name Patrick > Ship Asia > Year 1831 > Native place NR > Trade or calling NR > District Roscommon > Ticket no 40/1939 > State Records shelf ref 4/4143 > State Records reel no 937 > > > Regards, > Diane > North West Sydney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Wells" <wells@cyberone.com.au> > To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:28 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > > >> Hello, >> >> I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of >> the >> reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry >> Patrick has >> 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Allan

Hi Allan, The 40/1939 is his Ticket of Leave No. (issued in 1840, number 1939). The below reference is taken from the Society of Australian Genealogists Ticket of Leave database ( http://www.sag.org.au ) Last name Mulvy First name Patrick Ship Asia Year 1831 Native place NR Trade or calling NR District Roscommon Ticket no 40/1939 State Records shelf ref 4/4143 State Records reel no 937 Regards, Diane North West Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wells" <wells@cyberone.com.au> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Reference numbers on Ships Muster > Hello, > > I am new to this list. Can anyone advise me as to the significance of the > reference numbers on Ships Muster records. eg re the Asia 1831 Mulry > Patrick has > 1st Column 2030/24 and second column beneath his name 40/1939. > > Many thanks > > Allan