Hello Lyn, I have just looked on CLAIM A CONVICT for you & the only COOK I could find was this. COOKE:= William al Thomas. MANGLES (1) 1820. GLOUCESTER. 1819. 7-22 years. Are these yours. Glenys in Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilkinson Family" <gerryandlyn@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] William Cook transported to Sydney 1837 aboard the Mangles > Hi, > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find any information on William Cook > who > arrived aboard the Mangles in 1837 and would appreciate advice on where to > look. > > I know William was convicted at the Central Criminal Court on 19 Sep 1836 > (compliments of the Old Bailey website) and he and his partner in crime, > William Catling, were both transported on the Mangles but there the trail > stops. I have found a brief reference on the Felon or Settler index at > http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm for William Catling but nothing for > young Mr Cook. He just seems to have disappeared. > > William Cook was born in Tottenham, Middlesex in 1814. In 1832 his mother > Mary, father Thomas and a younger brother John were all covicted of > different crimes within a very short period of time and were all > transporeted to Tasmania. I have found their records. Mary, his mother > brought her 4 youngest children with her, one of which was my g g > grandmother, so she is accounted for, but the other 3 disappeared (with > William) into oblivion. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > :) Lyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John, Is it possible that he left an estate back in the old country and his death had to be registered there so that his estate could be dispersed? Just a thought. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Collins" <johncla@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Registration of Death - John Francis > Wondering whether anyone has come across the event of a death in Australia > also being registered in England? > > Have located the Registration of Death of John Francis as follows in the > Free BMD Death Index 1837-1983: > Estimated Birth Year: ABT 1833 > Year of Registration: 1871 > Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec > Age at Death: 38 > District: Ashbourne > County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire > Volume: 7b > Page: 366 > > > This registration is about 12 months later than the actual date of death > in > Australia however, age corresponds. I had been looking at my Australian > ancestor as having been born in Derbyshire before being convicted and > transported to Van Diemans Land, Australia. > > Any suggestions or comments would be much appreciated as well as what > information might be gleaned should I order an actual Death Certificate. > > John Collins > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wondering whether anyone has come across the event of a death in Australia also being registered in England? Have located the Registration of Death of John Francis as follows in the Free BMD Death Index 1837-1983: Estimated Birth Year: ABT 1833 Year of Registration: 1871 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 38 District: Ashbourne County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire Volume: 7b Page: 366 This registration is about 12 months later than the actual date of death in Australia however, age corresponds. I had been looking at my Australian ancestor as having been born in Derbyshire before being convicted and transported to Van Diemans Land, Australia. Any suggestions or comments would be much appreciated as well as what information might be gleaned should I order an actual Death Certificate. John Collins

Thank you Lesley :) I had just assumed they would have been transported together! I'm off to see what I can find. I love this list!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] William Cook transported to Sydney 1837 aboard theMangles > > Hi Lyn > > There was a William Cook on the Mangles (8) in 1837 to Port Jackson, but > he was > tried in Somerset in 1836. > > Your William Cook was transported in 1838 on the "Earl Grey" > > Cook, William 1838 Earl Grey (2) CCC 1836 Life 29 Stealing > harness > > Source: The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology. > > The Indent for the "Earl Grey" will confirm he was tried 19 September 1836 > and > also provide further information. > > > William Catling was transported on the Mangles (8) > > > Catling, William 1837 Mangles (8) CCC 1836 14 19 Stealing harness > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wilkinson Family > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:25 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] William Cook transported to Sydney 1837 aboard the > Mangles > > > Hi, > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find any information on William Cook > who > arrived aboard the Mangles in 1837 and would appreciate advice on where to > look. > > I know William was convicted at the Central Criminal Court on 19 Sep 1836 > (compliments of the Old Bailey website) and he and his partner in crime, > William Catling, were both transported on the Mangles but there the trail > stops. I have found a brief reference on the Felon or Settler index at > http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm for William Catling but nothing for > young Mr Cook. He just seems to have disappeared. > > William Cook was born in Tottenham, Middlesex in 1814. In 1832 his mother > Mary, father Thomas and a younger brother John were all covicted of > different crimes within a very short period of time and were all > transporeted to Tasmania. I have found their records. Mary, his mother > brought her 4 youngest children with her, one of which was my g g > grandmother, so she is accounted for, but the other 3 disappeared (with > William) into oblivion. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > :) Lyn > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lyn There was a William Cook on the Mangles (8) in 1837 to Port Jackson, but he was tried in Somerset in 1836. Your William Cook was transported in 1838 on the "Earl Grey" Cook, William 1838 Earl Grey (2) CCC 1836 Life 29 Stealing harness Source: The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology. The Indent for the "Earl Grey" will confirm he was tried 19 September 1836 and also provide further information. William Catling was transported on the Mangles (8) Catling, William 1837 Mangles (8) CCC 1836 14 19 Stealing harness regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wilkinson Family Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:25 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] William Cook transported to Sydney 1837 aboard the Mangles Hi, I am tearing my hair out trying to find any information on William Cook who arrived aboard the Mangles in 1837 and would appreciate advice on where to look. I know William was convicted at the Central Criminal Court on 19 Sep 1836 (compliments of the Old Bailey website) and he and his partner in crime, William Catling, were both transported on the Mangles but there the trail stops. I have found a brief reference on the Felon or Settler index at http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm for William Catling but nothing for young Mr Cook. He just seems to have disappeared. William Cook was born in Tottenham, Middlesex in 1814. In 1832 his mother Mary, father Thomas and a younger brother John were all covicted of different crimes within a very short period of time and were all transporeted to Tasmania. I have found their records. Mary, his mother brought her 4 youngest children with her, one of which was my g g grandmother, so she is accounted for, but the other 3 disappeared (with William) into oblivion. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :) Lyn

Hi, I am tearing my hair out trying to find any information on William Cook who arrived aboard the Mangles in 1837 and would appreciate advice on where to look. I know William was convicted at the Central Criminal Court on 19 Sep 1836 (compliments of the Old Bailey website) and he and his partner in crime, William Catling, were both transported on the Mangles but there the trail stops. I have found a brief reference on the Felon or Settler index at http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm for William Catling but nothing for young Mr Cook. He just seems to have disappeared. William Cook was born in Tottenham, Middlesex in 1814. In 1832 his mother Mary, father Thomas and a younger brother John were all covicted of different crimes within a very short period of time and were all transporeted to Tasmania. I have found their records. Mary, his mother brought her 4 youngest children with her, one of which was my g g grandmother, so she is accounted for, but the other 3 disappeared (with William) into oblivion. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :) Lyn

Hi Cynthia, Thankyou for checking the book. I will go to that archives site. Actually a cousin is visiting Lincolnshire soon so he will probably find out a lot, Kind regards, Susan in NSW. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Susan, > > You would need to contact Lincolnshire Archives to see if he is listed in > any documentation of Old Bolingbroke. You could ask if there is a will for > him. A search form can be downloaded from their web-site at > www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/archives I am unable to do any own time look-ups > at > the moment as I am not at work. > > Regards > > Cynthia > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lamberton > Sent: 21 October 2008 20:02 > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS > > Hi Cynthia, > > Forgot to add, his name was Christopher Babington, > > regards, Susan. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Susan Lamberton > <susanlamberton@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Hi Cynthia, > > > > Only just got your email. Thankyou very much for your reply. > > Edward's father or grandfather was a school master at Old Bolingbroke. > > Is he written about in your Lincolnshire history at all? > > > > Kind regards, > > Susan, in > > NSW. (cool and rainy) > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > > > >> Hi Susan, > >> > >> Both are listed. The publication is of convicts from 1789 - 1840 > >> sent to Australia with an appendix of a small amount of convicts > >> sent to Bermuda between 1822 - 1839. > >> > >> Edward Babington age 49 date of trial 8/3/1823 Lincoln Assizes > >> sentence for life Revesby off. Left 1824 for VDL on the Phoenix. > >> > >> Richard Babington no age given date of trial 27/10/1829 LQS (Lindsey > >> Quarter Sessions) sentence 7 years left 1830 to NSW on the Nithsdale > >> > >> > >> Hope this is of help. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Cynthia in sunny (at the moment) Lincolnshire > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan > >> Lamberton > >> Sent: 16 October 2008 12:22 > >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS > >> > >> Hi Cynthia, > >> > >> Yes, I have two Lincolnshire convicts in my family tree that I know > >> of- Edward Babington and his son Richard. > >> Thanks, I would like to know if there is any mention of them in the > >> publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire." > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Susan, in > >> NSW. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Lynne and list > >> > > >> > A William Wells is listed in the publication "Convicts of > Lincolnshire" > >> as > >> > follows Name William Wells No age given Date 30/3/1818 Place of > trial > >> > Boston Borough Sessions Time 7 years Year of leaving 1820 for > >> > NSW Ship Dromedary. The publication lists 6 others of the surname > Wells. > >> > If anyone is interested in them let me know > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Cynthia > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > >> > mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au > >> > Sent: 15 October 2008 22:45 > >> > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: [AUS-CON] WELLS > >> > > >> > Hi Allan and list, > >> > > >> > After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking > >> > a liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at > >> > all, and > >> if > >> I > >> > can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, > >> from > >> > Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict > on > >> the > >> > Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, > on > >> > same > >> > ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. > >> I > >> > don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in > Birmingham > >> > 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details > >> > also of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if > >> > this may help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary > >> > NEWPORT, dau of convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married > >> > Elizabeth ENO, convict, also from Lincolnshire. > >> > > >> > > >> > Happy huntin'. 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Hi Susan, You would need to contact Lincolnshire Archives to see if he is listed in any documentation of Old Bolingbroke. You could ask if there is a will for him. A search form can be downloaded from their web-site at www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/archives I am unable to do any own time look-ups at the moment as I am not at work. Regards Cynthia -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lamberton Sent: 21 October 2008 20:02 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS Hi Cynthia, Forgot to add, his name was Christopher Babington, regards, Susan. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Susan Lamberton <susanlamberton@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > Only just got your email. Thankyou very much for your reply. > Edward's father or grandfather was a school master at Old Bolingbroke. > Is he written about in your Lincolnshire history at all? > > Kind regards, > Susan, in > NSW. (cool and rainy) > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > >> Hi Susan, >> >> Both are listed. The publication is of convicts from 1789 - 1840 >> sent to Australia with an appendix of a small amount of convicts >> sent to Bermuda between 1822 - 1839. >> >> Edward Babington age 49 date of trial 8/3/1823 Lincoln Assizes >> sentence for life Revesby off. Left 1824 for VDL on the Phoenix. >> >> Richard Babington no age given date of trial 27/10/1829 LQS (Lindsey >> Quarter Sessions) sentence 7 years left 1830 to NSW on the Nithsdale >> >> >> Hope this is of help. >> >> Regards >> >> Cynthia in sunny (at the moment) Lincolnshire >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan >> Lamberton >> Sent: 16 October 2008 12:22 >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS >> >> Hi Cynthia, >> >> Yes, I have two Lincolnshire convicts in my family tree that I know >> of- Edward Babington and his son Richard. >> Thanks, I would like to know if there is any mention of them in the >> publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire." >> >> Kind regards, >> Susan, in >> NSW. >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi Lynne and list >> > >> > A William Wells is listed in the publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire" >> as >> > follows Name William Wells No age given Date 30/3/1818 Place of trial >> > Boston Borough Sessions Time 7 years Year of leaving 1820 for >> > NSW Ship Dromedary. The publication lists 6 others of the surname Wells. >> > If anyone is interested in them let me know >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Cynthia >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> > mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au >> > Sent: 15 October 2008 22:45 >> > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [AUS-CON] WELLS >> > >> > Hi Allan and list, >> > >> > After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking >> > a liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at >> > all, and >> if >> I >> > can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, >> from >> > Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict on >> the >> > Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, on >> > same >> > ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. >> I >> > don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in Birmingham >> > 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details >> > also of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if >> > this may help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary >> > NEWPORT, dau of convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married >> > Elizabeth ENO, convict, also from Lincolnshire. >> > >> > >> > Happy huntin'. 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Hi Cynthia, Forgot to add, his name was Christopher Babington, regards, Susan. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Susan Lamberton <susanlamberton@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > Only just got your email. Thankyou very much for your reply. > Edward's father or grandfather was a school master at Old > Bolingbroke. Is he written about in your Lincolnshire history > at all? > > Kind regards, > Susan, in > NSW. (cool and rainy) > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > >> Hi Susan, >> >> Both are listed. The publication is of convicts from 1789 - 1840 sent to >> Australia with an appendix of a small amount of convicts sent to Bermuda >> between 1822 - 1839. >> >> Edward Babington age 49 date of trial 8/3/1823 Lincoln Assizes sentence >> for life Revesby off. Left 1824 for VDL on the Phoenix. >> >> Richard Babington no age given date of trial 27/10/1829 LQS (Lindsey >> Quarter Sessions) sentence 7 years left 1830 to NSW on the Nithsdale >> >> >> Hope this is of help. >> >> Regards >> >> Cynthia in sunny (at the moment) Lincolnshire >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lamberton >> Sent: 16 October 2008 12:22 >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS >> >> Hi Cynthia, >> >> Yes, I have two Lincolnshire convicts in my family tree that I know of- >> Edward Babington and his son Richard. >> Thanks, I would like to know if there is any mention of them in the >> publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire." >> >> Kind regards, >> Susan, in >> NSW. >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi Lynne and list >> > >> > A William Wells is listed in the publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire" >> as >> > follows Name William Wells No age given Date 30/3/1818 Place of trial >> > Boston Borough Sessions Time 7 years Year of leaving 1820 for NSW >> > Ship Dromedary. The publication lists 6 others of the surname Wells. >> > If anyone is interested in them let me know >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Cynthia >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> > mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au >> > Sent: 15 October 2008 22:45 >> > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [AUS-CON] WELLS >> > >> > Hi Allan and list, >> > >> > After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking a >> > liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at all, and >> if >> I >> > can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, >> from >> > Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict on >> the >> > Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, on >> > same >> > ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. >> I >> > don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in Birmingham >> > 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details also >> > of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if this may >> > help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary NEWPORT, dau of >> > convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married Elizabeth ENO, convict, >> > also from Lincolnshire. >> > >> > >> > Happy huntin'. Regards always >> > Lynne in Tas. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found >> > in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: >> > 15/10/2008 >> > 07:29 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this >> incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1727 - Release Date: 15/10/2008 >> 20:02 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Cynthia, Only just got your email. Thankyou very much for your reply. Edward's father or grandfather was a school master at Old Bolingbroke. Is he written about in your Lincolnshire history at all? Kind regards, Susan, in NSW. (cool and rainy) On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Susan, > > Both are listed. The publication is of convicts from 1789 - 1840 sent to > Australia with an appendix of a small amount of convicts sent to Bermuda > between 1822 - 1839. > > Edward Babington age 49 date of trial 8/3/1823 Lincoln Assizes sentence > for life Revesby off. Left 1824 for VDL on the Phoenix. > > Richard Babington no age given date of trial 27/10/1829 LQS (Lindsey > Quarter Sessions) sentence 7 years left 1830 to NSW on the Nithsdale > > > Hope this is of help. > > Regards > > Cynthia in sunny (at the moment) Lincolnshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lamberton > Sent: 16 October 2008 12:22 > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] WELLS > > Hi Cynthia, > > Yes, I have two Lincolnshire convicts in my family tree that I know of- > Edward Babington and his son Richard. > Thanks, I would like to know if there is any mention of them in the > publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire." > > Kind regards, > Susan, in > NSW. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Cyn Jolly <cynlen@tesco.net> wrote: > > > Hi Lynne and list > > > > A William Wells is listed in the publication "Convicts of Lincolnshire" > as > > follows Name William Wells No age given Date 30/3/1818 Place of trial > > Boston Borough Sessions Time 7 years Year of leaving 1820 for NSW > > Ship Dromedary. The publication lists 6 others of the surname Wells. > > If anyone is interested in them let me know > > > > Regards > > > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > mrshoggy@bigpond.net.au > > Sent: 15 October 2008 22:45 > > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-CON] WELLS > > > > Hi Allan and list, > > > > After reading the recent postings, just a quick line to ask (taking a > > liberty sorry) if you have info on WELLS surname in Tassie at all, and if > I > > can help with anything on these guys?. My hubby's mum was a WELLS, > from > > Sorell. Original pioneer in her family -John WELLS - was a convict on > the > > Dromedary and his family settled in Sorell, Tas. Also, supposedly, on > > same > > ship/boat was William WELLS. He too, for a brief time was in Sorell. I > > don't think these guys were related. 'Our' John was born in Birmingham > > 1804 and William, I think, in Lincolnshire. Have a few details also > > of a William WELLS, again unrelated, in the Channel area if this may > > help you - or anyone. John WELLS Snr married Mary NEWPORT, dau of > > convict John NEWPORT and William WELLS married Elizabeth ENO, convict, > > also from Lincolnshire. > > > > > > Happy huntin'. Regards always > > Lynne in Tas. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found > > in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: > > 15/10/2008 > > 07:29 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1727 - Release Date: 15/10/2008 > 20:02 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi cyn and list, Sorry for delay. Been AWOL a couple of days. Many many thanks for help with WELLS. Is there further info as this sounds like my William WELLS?. Also its about the only reference I've seen that mentions him on the Dromedary which is good. Another reference listed 'Globe' but have never been able to find anything. Is there also any information on Elizabeth ENO?. She is also from Lincolnshire and came to Oz on the "Lord Wellington" I think. She was born about 1799, died when 63 and was buried in St David's Park Cem.Tas. She was married to William WELLS and they had five children. Elizabeth married William SYKES on the death of William WELLS, which was abt 1830 and had another five children. Most sincere thanks again Regards Lynne in Taz

Hi Peter, This link has a bit of information on the Female Factory at Parramatta - http://www.parragirls.org.au/id2.html I couldn't find any information on inmates, but there is an ongoing research project on inmates, they may have more information if you contact them, or, alternatively maybe you would like to submit what you have on Sarah LYNCHEY and her children - info@parragirls.org.au Their Resources link has a lot of useful information for follow-up, including the book "These Outcast Women - The Parramatta Female Factory 1821-1848" by A. Salt. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Are there any entry records for the Female Factory at Parramatta? > > One of my convicts, Sarah LYNCHEY-Mary III 1835- brought 3 children with > her. > > One was named Mary Ann, my GG grandmother, from several years of research > the others may have been Sarah and James. The Indent for the Mary III does > not name them it simply states that they were on board. > > Given the regulations at the time the girls could have been no older than > 12 > years when they departed England and the boy 8 years. > > A request from the Isle of Man for her to take 3 children with her stated > that the names were noted in the margin as was usual them. The copy on the > Isle of Man does not include the names, nor does the approval from Lord > Melbourne. The archives at Kew cannot find the original. > > I have checked Joan REESE's index of admissions to the orphan school and > cannot find a LYNCHEY, nor a likely LYNCH. > > Would a convict woman be permitted to take 3 children with her to an > assigned master? In this case a Henry FISHER a wine and spirit merchant in > Princes St the Rocks (now covered by the approach to the Harbour Bridge). > > Any pointers to where I can look further or records of those who went to > the > female factory would be most appreciated. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Melbourne

May I express my thanks to everyone who replied with helpful suggestions and advice, and for making me welcome to the list. I shall potter off, do some groundwork, and be back with questions! Margaret (Warwickshire)

Hi Kim, That is a very difficult question to answer with accurate figures and there are a few reasons for this: 1. Not every convict listed on the various Indents actually embarked 2. Many convicts are not included on the Indent for the transport on which they arrived 3. Some convicts are listed on two Indents - the one they were supposed to take and the one on which they actually arrived 4. Convicts on the same transport were offloaded convicts at various ports eg Port Jackson and VDL 5. Some convicts were transported to say, Port Jackson initially, and then were trans-shipped to other ports eg Norfolk Island and VDL and others shipped at a later date due to colonial crimes. 6. There are a few convicts whose arrival is not recorded on any incoming shipping document - some of these I found when they were granted permission to marry or received a Pardon etc, so I think that there must be others although I think that number would be very small. You cannot rely on the figures given in "The Convicts Ships" by Charles Bateson as he has not included about 100 ships carrying convicts to Port Jackson alone! .... nor was it his intention to include them. I know that I have transcribed (not copied and pasted) nearly 90,000 but this figure includes those to VDL up to early 1824 and to Moreton Bay. A rough guess is that of the over 160,000 transported (I have had to reply on the figures provided by Charles Bateson for numbers as regards convicts sent to Port Phillip, Norfolk Island, Western Australia and VDL as these are out of the area of my expertise) 50% to Port Jackson (including exiles some of whom were sent to Moreton Bay) 1.3% to Port Phillip 1.7% to Norfolk Island 6% to Western Australia .32% to Moreton Bay 41% to VDL Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kim Milne Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:13 PM To: List AUS-CONVICTS Subject: [AUS-CON] Convict numbers As a change of pace, does any of our knowledgeable listers have a reasonably accurate count of how many convicts was sent to each of the various establishments? And during what time frame? For example, how many to NSW, VDL, Moreton Bay etc. Kim

Hi Listers, Are there any entry records for the Female Factory at Parramatta? One of my convicts, Sarah LYNCHEY-Mary III 1835- brought 3 children with her. One was named Mary Ann, my GG grandmother, from several years of research the others may have been Sarah and James. The Indent for the Mary III does not name them it simply states that they were on board. Given the regulations at the time the girls could have been no older than 12 years when they departed England and the boy 8 years. A request from the Isle of Man for her to take 3 children with her stated that the names were noted in the margin as was usual them. The copy on the Isle of Man does not include the names, nor does the approval from Lord Melbourne. The archives at Kew cannot find the original. I have checked Joan REESE's index of admissions to the orphan school and cannot find a LYNCHEY, nor a likely LYNCH. Would a convict woman be permitted to take 3 children with her to an assigned master? In this case a Henry FISHER a wine and spirit merchant in Princes St the Rocks (now covered by the approach to the Harbour Bridge). Any pointers to where I can look further or records of those who went to the female factory would be most appreciated. Cheers Peter Melbourne

Hi Kim, 2259 Males and 144 Females were sent to Moreton Bay in the Period 1824-1842 (as per JG STEELE's "Brisbane Town in Convict Days 1824-1842) Of these Approximately 220 died (anywhere up to 230) during that time frame. Regards Sue.

Hi Margaret, The following links may also be of assistance : Convicts to Australia A Guide to Researching Your Convict Ancestors For a brief overview ... http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/res-02.html Another page with various links, covering most states : http://www.coraweb.com.au/convict.htm The First Fleet and Early Settlement Documents http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/firstfleet/index.html State Records NSW : Convict Records http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/archives_in_brief_2_372.asp Heaps of various books, CD's etc. (available for purchase) here ... http://www.gould.com.au/default.asp State Library NSW (bookshop) History and Exploration http://www.shop.nsw.gov.au/agencysubcategory.jsp?agency=85&categoryid=1&subcategoryid=8 And there are plenty of on-line second-hand book shops ! http://www.booksandcollectibles.com.au/index_next.html Cheers, Diane North West Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Usmar" <margaretusmar@gmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:38 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Books suitable for beginner >I have only just embarked on the convict research for my tree, and would > appreciate advice from anyone who can recommend a reference title or two > that I can use to read up on the subject. I'm in England but I can order > books from overseas, and our library system can often obtain titles for us > to borrow. I am most interested in what actually happened to the convicts > after their arrival in Australia. I bow to the experience of other list > members in helping me make suitable choices, as everything I've learned so > far has come from you, it will be much appreciated. > Many thanks. > Margaret (in Warwickshire)

As a change of pace, does any of our knowledgeable listers have a reasonably accurate count of how many convicts was sent to each of the various establishments? And during what time frame? For example, how many to NSW, VDL, Moreton Bay etc. Kim

Hi Margaret I would suggest the following two books and you should be able to access them in England A.G.L. Shaw "Convicts & the Colonies" A study of penal transportation from Great Britain & Ireland & other parts of the British Empire. J. B. Hirst "Convict society and its enemies" Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Usmar Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:38 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Books suitable for beginner I have only just embarked on the convict research for my tree, and would appreciate advice from anyone who can recommend a reference title or two that I can use to read up on the subject. I'm in England but I can order books from overseas, and our library system can often obtain titles for us to borrow. I am most interested in what actually happened to the convicts after their arrival in Australia. I bow to the experience of other list members in helping me make suitable choices, as everything I've learned so far has come from you, it will be much appreciated. Many thanks. Margaret (in Warwickshire)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Usmar" <margaretusmar@gmail.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:38 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Books suitable for beginner >I have only just embarked on the convict research for my tree, and >would > appreciate advice from anyone who can recommend a reference title or > two > that I can use to read up on the subject. I'm in England but I can > order > books from overseas, and our library system can often obtain titles > for us > to borrow. I am most interested in what actually happened to the > convicts > after their arrival in Australia. Hi Margaret I am sure you would find it helpful to have some back ground knowledge of early Australian history and geography and a decent map to study . There are 3 excellent novels I could recommend but to get benefit from these you need some knowledge as to why the fledging colony prison nearly didnt survive . Where are the Blue Mountains and why were they such a barrier ?? etc etc There is a deal of general NSW convict info to be found on http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts www.records.nsw.gov.au have alot of indexes re convicts Google can find more ! There is also a lot of info in book form only and CD . I have alot of these at home . And books of specific parts of the convict era ............ eg on the First Fleet and Second Fleet and on the convicts on a particular transport ......... ' Convicts of the 'Lady Juliana' is one The 3 novels are ' the Fatal Shore' by Robert HUGHES, which deals with convicts to the Colony of NSW. ' The Potato Factory' by Bryce COURTNEY , about convicts in Tasmania . Morgan's Run by Colleen McCULLOCK about convicts sent to Norfolk Island . I stress all are novels Perhaps your local library might have something by historian Professor Geoffrey BLAINEY ? http://www.lib.monash.edu.au/blainey/ Or by Charles MANNING CLARK ? http://www.dinkumaussies.com/ACADEMIA%2FManning%20Clark.htm What is your convicts name ? Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW