Hello, Sarah KING, age unknown, was convicted of being a "fence" at the Old Bailey on 20/08/1838, sentenced to transportation for 7 years and sailed for NSW aboard the "Planter" on 20/10/1838. Her co-defendant was George KING........son, brother or nephew, sadly the relationship is not explained.......and he was eventually transported on the "St. George" to New Zealand in 1842 as one of the "Parkhurst Boys" (not as an Apprentice but on license as a Free Immigrant). There is also the llkelihood that Thomas KING, also transported aboard the "St. George", was George's brother, although tried for a different offence 4 months later. No further details for Sarah KING have been retrieved, either in England or NSW. Can anyone help please? Regards Tony Cocks _________________________________________________________________ Get a bird’s eye view of the world with Multimap http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454059/direct/01/

A while ago someone emailed me about a research trip to AUS in ref to the convicts,,and i have lost the email contact if you are stil going in Feb contact me. BOni

Phil, There were a lot of free settlers who arrived in the late 1820's and after that. You have not provided sufficient information to be able to assist. I cannot find a child born named Robert Winter (Winters, Wynter, Wynter) to anyone in the records in that time frame. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil West Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:32 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS Lesley If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being born of free non-convict parents? Phil

Lesley If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being born of free non-convict parents? Phil -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 3:41 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS Hi Phil Perhaps it was not Robert Winter per "Fortune" and Mary Hurd/Herd, etc alias Davies per "Morley". A few years after their marriage in 1821, Robert was up in Moreton Bay and Mary in the Factory. Robert obtained a Ticket of Leave in 1839 and I am pretty certain it for the Maitland area (NSW). It was not until 1844 that Robert obtained his Conditional Pardon. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil West Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:42 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS Hi all Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son Robert born Melbourne 1839. Phil West Tennant Creek - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Phil A very very VERY approximate answer is that in 1840 1 in 2 would have non convict parents in the entire Country. See previous posting on Convict Numbers- 10/2008 In 1840 the (non native) population in NSW (Qld-1859 & Vic-1851 did not exist as separate states at this time) was on the order of 200,000. At this time the number of convicts total transported in the previous 52 years was about 110,000. Many would have died & or also had children. (who were classified as born free.) Note that in 1839, 1 yr earlier, the population was ~175,000, In late 1835 (when Melbourne was founded) only 113,000 in the Country. In 1831 (pop over 75000) NSW began assisted immigration. It was filling up fast. so an accurate number would be hard to come by. If you could find an early History of Melbourne settlers, (Founders Batman & Fawkner separately came from Launceston TAS.- Google "History Melbourne Aust") you might be able to get a better estimate, but differentiating between free settlers and freed convicts (some of whom became servants or farm/sheep workers) would be hard. Given that Melbourne was a free pastoral settlement, as opposed to Sydney, or Hobart, the chances are no doubt higher that an 1839-41 Melbourne born resident would have free settler parents. By 1837, there were 350 people and 55,000 sheep in the Melbourne area. (http://museumvictoria.com.au/marvellous/early/index.asp) Melbourne didn't boom until the 1850s gold rush. John Dodds in rainy and cold San Francisco (for you lucky people in summery Aust.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra & Phil West" <sandrawest@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > Lesley > > If a child was born in Melbourne in 1839-41, what chance would they being > born of free non-convict parents? > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel > Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 3:41 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > Hi Phil > > Perhaps it was not Robert Winter per "Fortune" and Mary Hurd/Herd, etc > alias > Davies per "Morley". A few years after their marriage in 1821, Robert was > up > in > Moreton Bay and Mary in the Factory. Robert obtained a Ticket of Leave in > 1839 > and I am pretty certain it for the Maitland area (NSW). It was not until > 1844 > that Robert obtained his Conditional Pardon. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil > West > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:42 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS > > > Hi all > > Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 > and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son > Robert born Melbourne 1839. > > Phil West > Tennant Creek > > - > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a comtemporary report (link below) on the 1851 convict mutiny on the Warrior hulk. It appeared in the Illustrated London News, and the attached is a truncated version of the report. It is quite revealing of the British establishment's views on transportation in the middle part of the 19th century. Rhoda http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZSCSG18520623.2.9&cl=&srpos=0&e=-------10--1----0-all

Thankyou for all replies.....my Patrick Whelan may or may not be a convict. I am checking all names within the years of 1840 to 1852 as I have never been able to locate a Patrick Whelan who fits the bill. My Patrick was born in Kilkenny. Regards, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > Hi Kerry > > I can tell you that he was convicted for manslaughter in 1837 > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:26 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > > Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date > as > 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. > > Regards, > Kerry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Indent states he was convicted Queens county in 1837 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:12 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine Thanks Lesley.....do you know where the conviction was? Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine >

Thanks Lesley.....do you know where the conviction was? Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > Hi Kerry > > I can tell you that he was convicted for manslaughter in 1837 > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:26 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > > Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date > as > 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. > > Regards, > Kerry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kerry, I am related to this Patrick Whelan. Are you related? Please contact me off-line as I would love to have another family member. Unfortunately I did not see your original email, but would love to correspond with you. Gary Gary & Donna Parker PO BOX 89 Albany Creek Qld 4035 Ph 07 3862 8767 garyndonna@hotmail.com or garyndonna@optusnet.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 9:20 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine The Indent states he was convicted Queens county in 1837 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:12 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine Thanks Lesley.....do you know where the conviction was? Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kerry I can tell you that he was convicted for manslaughter in 1837 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:26 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date as 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. Regards, Kerry

Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date as 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. Regards, Kerry > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Phil Perhaps it was not Robert Winter per "Fortune" and Mary Hurd/Herd, etc alias Davies per "Morley". A few years after their marriage in 1821, Robert was up in Moreton Bay and Mary in the Factory. Robert obtained a Ticket of Leave in 1839 and I am pretty certain it for the Maitland area (NSW). It was not until 1844 that Robert obtained his Conditional Pardon. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sandra & Phil West Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:42 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Robert WINTERS Hi all Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son Robert born Melbourne 1839. Phil West Tennant Creek -

Hi all Has anybody any information on Robert WINTERS who apparently arrived 1813 and later married Mary HERD. If this is the correct person, he had a son Robert born Melbourne 1839. Phil West Tennant Creek -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Newnham Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2008 11:44 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Final List of Convicts on board the Warrior hulk, Woolwich, 1851 Rhoda, Thank you very much for all your hard work. It is much appreciated. Gerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: 13 December 2008 13:28 To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Cc: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Final List of Convicts on board the Warrior hulk, Woolwich,1851 Hi all This is the final group of convicts on board the Warrior hulk at Woolwich on the night of the 1851 Census. >>> snipped for brevity <<< ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Sorry! I have only just realised that Kerry's email was not referring to a convict named William Jardine but to the convict ship of the same name. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > Thanks Lesley.....do you know where the conviction was? > > Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > >> >> Hi Kerry >> >> I can tell you that he was convicted for manslaughter in 1837 >> >> regards >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:26 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine >> >> >> Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date >> as >> 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. >> >> Regards, >> Kerry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kerry Just in case you don't know where Queen's Connty is/was (I didn't), it is in Ireland and was renamed Co Laois with Irish Independence in 1922. I looked up William Jardine (a very Scottish name) on the National Archives of Scotland online catalogue and came across one reference to a William Jardine between 1836 and 1838. This was the trial of a William Jardine in Dumfries for aggravated assault. He was convicted on 17 September 1836 at the High Court in Dumfries and was "outlawed and put to the horn". He had previous convictions for assault. It is just possible that he made the short boat trip to Ireland after his conviction. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > Thanks Lesley.....do you know where the conviction was? > > Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine > > >> >> Hi Kerry >> >> I can tell you that he was convicted for manslaughter in 1837 >> >> regards >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Wall >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:26 PM >> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Patrick Whelan ...William Jardine >> >> >> Can anyone give me any info on the above convict. I have his arrival date >> as >> 1838 and ticket of leave in 1848. >> >> Regards, >> Kerry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gday Going back through the archives I noticed the above discussion, esp about letter "D" brandings on convicts. For what it's worth, a particular convict ancestor of mine, was a soldier, he had a "D" "under his left arm". Now this was a tattoo, not a branding. Speaking with an academic who has an interest in this subject, he suggested the "D" often stood for desertion, was usually a brand, and often placed on the _outer arm_. Given mine was heavily tattooed this may have been the only place left to make the "D" noticeable. It was interesting to read that another convict had a "D" under the armpit of all places. Regards Brent

I have just noticed a few slips on my last email. These are: R Bennett,19 born Cradley WORCESTERSHIRE M Burke, 45, born IRELAND J Butler, 32, born Bushey, HerTfordshire and E Chatterton, 22, born PREES, SHROPSHIRE Rhoda

Rhoda, Thank you very much for all your hard work. It is much appreciated. Gerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: 13 December 2008 13:28 To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Cc: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Final List of Convicts on board the Warrior hulk, Woolwich,1851 Hi all This is the final group of convicts on board the Warrior hulk at Woolwich on the night of the 1851 Census. >>> snipped for brevity <<<

Thanks Lesley, I checked the Tassie Archives and missed the two you mention. I made the mistake of spelling the name, SILLCOCK, not SILCOCK, hence I missed the two John`s listed. The Australian descendant`s spell their name SILLCOCK. One of the descendants spent the 2nd.World War in England in Lancaster bombers. He was telling me the other day that all the SILLCOCK`s he met in England spelt their name with one "S", so there`s a good chance that one of the John`s in Tassie was the original Aussie SILLCOCK i`m looking for. Norm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John SILLCOCK > Hi Norman > > There were two by that name to arrive as convicts to Tasmania. Go to the > name > indexes at: > > http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes > > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Norman Archibald > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:30 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] John SILLCOCK > > > Dear listers, > I have been told that a John SILLCOCK ( SILCOCK ) who I am currently > researching > arrived in Australia some time around 1840. John married a Bridget > O`SHAUGHNESSY > in Melbourne in 1841. > I was of the understanding that there were no convicts into Victoria > during the > transportation years. > Could someone on the list advise whether that is true or not and if so, > where > might I look for the arrival of John SILLCOCK, possible convict. > Norman A. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:58 PM