Many thanks Sue for the informative email on what the Town Surveyor's Dept undertook at the time, this is the first time I have come across a convict with the Department as his Master, and it threw me a little wondering what he would have been doing. Thanks too Kaye for giving us the heads-up with the roadgangs at the State Archives, will keep in touch to see how work is progressing. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW

Trish, We will be indexing the road gangs shortly at the State Archives so check with me in a month or so and see if we have completed it. Kaye www.teapotgenealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trev Symonds Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2009 6:47 AM To: aus-convicts-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] What is Town Surveyors Department Hi List, ect and the body of the message

Happy New Year to One & All Hi, my name is Judith and I was wondering if anyone out there would be able to tell me if there is a site where you can look up old town names and electoral roll areas. My interest at the moment is Cootamundry (now Cootamundra) but cannot seem to find which area it would have come under back in the 1800's and early 1900's. Thanks in advance for all and any help. Cheers Judith (In a mild and sunny Tasmania-East Coast)

Trish, I would think that would mean that he was under the employ of the survey department... which could mean a number of things. he may have been his assistant.. or perhaps he saddled the horses and prepared the equipment. Surveying was a massive thing especially as the colony expanded. surveyors were used for all kinds of jobs... they also accompanied many of the "explorers" on their trips to discover new areas. That would be my thought. He could have been a clerk. The town surveyors department would most likely refer to a selection of government employees that looked after the inspection and measurement of the land for the colony. (much like they are now) also for inspecting new lands. Regards Sue.

Hi Judith, Happy New Year. I can't help directly with a website , BUT, the following info comes from a local Cootamundra history (available at http://www.cootamundra.local-e.nsw.gov.au/files/1023/File/History.pdf) 1884 Cootamundra was gazetted a municipality of 3,010 acres, about 9 sq miles (23.30 sq km) on May 20. 1907 The Jindalee Shire of 583 sq miles (app. 1510 sq kms) was proclaimed - previously Cowcumbala Shire. So at least you have a couple of shire/county location names and dates to look for. The history is actually quite interesting. I commend the local Historical Society for producing it. Certainly gives you a feel for how and when the town developed. John, in sunny San Francisco, unseasonably warm (~19C), while the rest of the USA freezes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Rowe" <rowesretreat@bigpond.com> To: <aus-qld-toowoomba@rootsweb.com>; <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Old Town areas > Happy New Year to One & All > > > > Hi, my name is Judith and I was wondering if anyone out there would be > able > to tell me if there is a site where you can look up old town names and > electoral roll areas. > > > > My interest at the moment is Cootamundry (now Cootamundra) but cannot seem > to find which area it would have come under back in the 1800's and early > 1900's. > > > > Thanks in advance for all and any help. > > > > Cheers > > Judith > > (In a mild and sunny Tasmania-East Coast) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, if he left from Ireland, he would have sailed from Cork, or as the harbour is called Cove (Cob) in Irish. They have a convict history research centre there as well as a family history centre in Cove. Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Veronica Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2009 10:05 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Cassidy's from Fermanagh Hello everyone I am looking for any information anyone has about 3 brothers Edward, Phillip and Thomas Cassidy who were transported to Australia on Hercules II in 1830. Edward is known to have escaped. They were the children of Stephen Cassidy and his wife (possibly Catherine) Britton. Thomas was married previously and I am keen to trace his family in Ireland where he presumably left a wife and 2 female children. The trial was held in Fermanagh assizes in Ireland. Can anyone tell me how I can go about getting details of the trial, I have already undertaken searches at NSW State records and have some limited info, keen to do more. Would appreciate any help anyone can give, including any info about the voyage on Hercules II. Regards Veronica ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone I am looking for any information anyone has about 3 brothers Edward, Phillip and Thomas Cassidy who were transported to Australia on Hercules II in 1830. Edward is known to have escaped. They were the children of Stephen Cassidy and his wife (possibly Catherine) Britton. Thomas was married previously and I am keen to trace his family in Ireland where he presumably left a wife and 2 female children. The trial was held in Fermanagh assizes in Ireland. Can anyone tell me how I can go about getting details of the trial, I have already undertaken searches at NSW State records and have some limited info, keen to do more. Would appreciate any help anyone can give, including any info about the voyage on Hercules II. Regards Veronica

Hi Could any one out there please help? I am searching for the name of my convict g grandfather Robert Lovelock's master he was assigned to after arriving on the Andromeda in 1833. Robert was assigned to someone around Queanbeyan Thank You. Gav

Where convicts allowed to marry while serving their crime?, and if so could this hapen after arriving in the colony within 10 months while serving a sentance of life?

hi veronica if you can contact seamus mccanny on the fermanagh site fergold he will give you some information on the cassidys who fell foul of a land lord in a love triangle of sorts,semus gave a lecture on the subject at a local historical meeting in boho co fermanagh-a local folk song edward from lough ernes shores was also sung--see how you get on and get back to me if you have no luck cheers paddy.

Hello All, I am researching a couple who married in Tasmania in 1843. Both of them had Free listed for their Rank on the Marriage Certificate. Is that normal for non-convict people or does it indicate that they were once convicts and had been freed at the time of their marriage? Thanks Lorraine

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Hi List, I have a convict who arrived in NSW in 1837 just in time for the 1837 census. Under "master" it shows Town Surveyor's Department, Sydney. I've tried googling and also the NSW Archives to try and find out what he might have been doing, but without success. Does this mean he was on a road gang, or does anyone have any other suggestions please? Cheers Trish Nowra NSW

Hi Dawn It looks as though Taylorstown was one of the Townlands in Antrim. This name may no longer be used except for local street names and the like. It looks as though there is a Taylorstown Rd in Toomebridge so this might be as close as you can get. Grange Rd may also be in that village/town. The details on the IreAtlas Townland Data Base ( www.seanruad.com ) are: Townland: Taylorstown Acres: 1237 County: Antrim Barony: Upper Toome Civil Parish: Ballyscullion Grange PLU: Ballymena Province: Ulster I suggest you look for information under the Barony or Civil Parish name on rootsweb and/or other genealogical web-sites. You may be able to find a map of the townlands somewhere. If you can get access to the Griffiths Valuation maps you should be able to locate the townland. Unfortunately those for Northern Ireland are not yet on irishorigins. Regards Jan Daly -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dawn bird Sent: 27 December 2008 17:30 To: antrim@irishgenealogy.net; aus-convicts@rootsweb.com; info@findmypast.com; info@ballymoneyancestry.com; Irish-Australians@yahoogroups.com.au; aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Taylorstown Antrim Northern Ireland Hi hoping everyone had a fantastic Christmas and all the best for 2009. My question is does anyone have a map which shows the town of Taylorstown, Antrim? My cousin sent me photos of the Presbyterian church there on Grange Road but no map and I can not find it on any map and still trying to get in touch with my cousin. Any help greatly appreciated. I am still looking for any inforamtion on Gault, Boyle- Ireland and Gault - America Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken, It might help a bit if we know who you are looking for. Trish Nowra NSW > From: kensinclair@optusnet.com.au > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Brig ' William' > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200901020837.n028bNX9001623@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Dear Margaret, > Transportation from Ireland to Aus. sometime between 1852 and 1856. My > GGGrF got 15 yrs for assault and robbery. > Cheers > Ken Sinclair

UNSUBSCRIBE thanks -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-convicts-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 5:00 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Brig ' William' (kensinclair@optusnet.com.au) 2. Re: Brig ' William' (MargM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:37:23 +1100 From: kensinclair@optusnet.com.au Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Brig ' William' To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <200901020837.n028bNX9001623@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Dear Margaret, Transportation from Ireland to Aus. sometime between 1852 and 1856. My GGGrF got 15 yrs for assault and robbery. Cheers Ken Sinclair > MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kensinclair@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] List of Prisoners Sydney Gaol 1838 > > > . I am looking for transportation between 1852 - 56 on the Brig. > "William". I understand that their were 13 such named ships on Lloyds > Register, so it looks like a long search through logs if they are > available. > > > Hi Ken > > Transportation from where to where ? > > There was a brig named' William' that came into the port of Sydney a > few times during 1852 > A search via http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/browselist.html and the > Sydney Gazette and General Trade list newspaper ( 1846 -1855 ) would > give you some info on this particular ship > > Bye > MargM > Beautiful Wyong Shire > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:23:30 +1100 From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Brig ' William' To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <04E786D945AE499E88842BED45AD287E@ownerc72bf9569> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: <kensinclair@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Brig ' William' > Transportation from Ireland to Aus. sometime between 1852 and 1856. > My GGGrF got 15 yrs for assault and robbery. Hi Ken Were no convicts sent to NSW after 1842 except for : From NSW State Records web site : quote Index to Convict Exiles, 1846-50 a.. Search the Index Who were the convict exiles? Convict transportation to New South Wales effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1849-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony. Convict Exiles transported on the following ships are included in this index: Adelaide, Anna Maria, Bangalore, Eden, Hashemy, Havering, Joseph Somes, Mt Stewart Elphinstone, Maitland, Marion, Thomas Arbuthnot and Randolph. About the Index The Index to Exiles 1849-50 includes the individual's name, ship and year of arrival, date, place of trial, and sentence is included if known. The remarks column may sometimes include information on offence, employment, marriage, death, or record certificate of freedom or pardon numbers. There are 3011 entries in the index. end quote Transportation of convicts to Tasmania ceased in 1853 and in 1868 to Western Australia Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AUS-CONVICTS mailing list, send an email to AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUS-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 ****************************************** This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information it contains may be confidential or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of this email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message from your computer.

----- Original Message ----- From: <kensinclair@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Brig ' William' > Transportation from Ireland to Aus. sometime between 1852 and 1856. > My GGGrF got 15 yrs for assault and robbery. Hi Ken Were no convicts sent to NSW after 1842 except for : From NSW State Records web site : quote Index to Convict Exiles, 1846-50 a.. Search the Index Who were the convict exiles? Convict transportation to New South Wales effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1849-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony. Convict Exiles transported on the following ships are included in this index: Adelaide, Anna Maria, Bangalore, Eden, Hashemy, Havering, Joseph Somes, Mt Stewart Elphinstone, Maitland, Marion, Thomas Arbuthnot and Randolph. About the Index The Index to Exiles 1849-50 includes the individual's name, ship and year of arrival, date, place of trial, and sentence is included if known. The remarks column may sometimes include information on offence, employment, marriage, death, or record certificate of freedom or pardon numbers. There are 3011 entries in the index. end quote Transportation of convicts to Tasmania ceased in 1853 and in 1868 to Western Australia Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Dear Margaret, Transportation from Ireland to Aus. sometime between 1852 and 1856. My GGGrF got 15 yrs for assault and robbery. Cheers Ken Sinclair > MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kensinclair@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] List of Prisoners Sydney Gaol 1838 > > > . I am looking for transportation between 1852 - 56 on the Brig. > "William". I understand that their were 13 such named ships on Lloyds > Register, so it looks like a long search through logs if they are > available. > > > Hi Ken > > Transportation from where to where ? > > There was a brig named' William' that came into the port of Sydney a > few times during 1852 > A search via http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/browselist.html and the > Sydney Gazette and General Trade list newspaper ( 1846 -1855 ) would > give you some info on this particular ship > > Bye > MargM > Beautiful Wyong Shire > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: <kensinclair@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] List of Prisoners Sydney Gaol 1838 . I am looking for transportation between 1852 - 56 on the Brig. "William". I understand that their were 13 such named ships on Lloyds Register, so it looks like a long search through logs if they are available. Hi Ken Transportation from where to where ? There was a brig named' William' that came into the port of Sydney a few times during 1852 A search via http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/browselist.html and the Sydney Gazette and General Trade list newspaper ( 1846 -1855 ) would give you some info on this particular ship Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Dear Jenny, Thankyou for responding. I am looking for transportation between 1852 - 56 on the Brig. "William". I understand that their were 13 such named ships on Lloyds Register, so it looks like a long search through logs if they are available. Cheers Ken Sinclair > Joan Fawcett <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > > The following is a brief list of some prisoners sent to the Sydney gaol > 1838......feel free to email for information (the names were on list > acquired recently during some research). Usual information is gaol no, > name, > ship and year of arrival, height, make, complexion, hair colour, eye > colour > etc. > > Name Ship and Year of Arrival > Mary McAvoy Wellington 1832 > John Upton Lady Nugent 1834 > Henry Costelow Anne and Amelia, 1825 > James Aldridge Layton 1838 > Michael Doyle Lord Lyndoch 1833 > George Wheeler Moffatt 1836 > Felix McClinty/McCarty? Martha 1818 > Mary Lowe? or Fair L. Sydmouth 1823 > John Osborne John 1829 > John Gibbs John Barry 1 1819 > thomas Green Norfolk 1835 > Ann Roach Dutchess 1835 > Mary Griffith Palambam 1831 > John Williams Orentes? 1838 > Joseph Smith Nithsdale 1830 > John Moran James Pattison 1830 > Patrick Condon Prince Revent 1821 > > > cheers > Jenny Fawcett > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message