It's amazing where the descendants of the 'Princess Royal ' girls turn up. I am a descendant of Sarah Mortimer (from Brentford Middlesex). She came on the ship with her sister Maryanne. Andrea ----- Original Message ----- From: Robyn Gross<mailto:regross@iprimus.com.au> To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com<mailto:aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: 18 February 2009 10:50 Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] John CRANFIELD It is nice to find more people connected to the Princess Royal girls. I am a direct descendant of Sarah Harrington.in my father's line. She married convict Charles Godwin (Arab 1822.) My mother's line has a connection, not direct, to Mary Canning/Cannon who married convict John Frederick (Dromedary 1820). Robyn Gross ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was aware of the marriage of Jacob to Mary Hart and she must have died, possibly in childbirth. I knew nothing of Mary. I am waiting to see, from a marriage certificate whether Jacob = Job. Phil -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Gross Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 2:22 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Jacob Winter Phil. had you noted the death of a MARY WINTER V1833634 17/1833 no place or other information givee . " Jacob Winter married Mary Hart in Castlereagh in 1830. Also a Jacob Winter > married Catherine Laffin in 1833 in St Marys Sydney." regards Robyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moyle" <moylebill@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES Hi Bill >I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems >to be off the air. Been into it a few time today with no problem . They do occasionally take this site down for maintenance but usually for a few weekend hours http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births > > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and > Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children > included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, > had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Hope you havent reinvented too many wheels............... William DOUGLAS is well documented and has been claimed 4 times in http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/ Info on him is in here http://firstfleet.uow.edu.au/index.html HTH Bye MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Bill, NSW BDM's must be back on air as I had no trouble getting in Lynette > > Hi Bill > >>I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems >>to be off the air. > > Been into it a few time today with no problem . They do occasionally > take this site down > for maintenance but usually for a few weekend hours > > http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births > >> >> Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and >> Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children >> included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, >> had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. >> >> Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent >> change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? > > > Hope you havent reinvented too many wheels............... William > DOUGLAS is well documented and has been claimed 4 times in > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/ > > Info on him is in here > http://firstfleet.uow.edu.au/index.html > > > > HTH > > > Bye > > MargM > Beautiful Wyong Shire > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for that, Marg. Cheers, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] There alot of more info out at Kingswood > > > If you go to > > http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/default.aspx do a simple > search for convict records .............. There is a lot more info > than is to be found in the on line indexes > > HTH > > > > MargM > Beautiful Wyong Shire > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bill I have sent you off list of a little bit of info that I have on Mary & William along with their signatures. Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moyle" <moylebill@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES >I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be >off the air. I wonder can anyone help? > > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary > GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included > William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter > Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? > > Bill Moyle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be off the air. I wonder can anyone help? Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Bill Moyle

Can't help with the pedigree but at that time the spelling was very much down to whoever happened to be writing the record so it could easily be different on every official document. Kind regards Maddy -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Moyle Sent: 20 February 2009 01:51 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] First Fleeters: William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES I have been trying to research the NSW Gov Index of BDM but it seems to be off the air. I wonder can anyone help? Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? Bill Moyle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you go to http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/default.aspx do a simple search for convict records .............. There is a lot more info than is to be found in the on line indexes HTH MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

G'day again, I'm now seeking information re Edward COLES who came to NSW as a convict aboard "Neva" in about 1833 please. Many thanks in advance. Jan Neil and Jan Hearn Sealandings Bed and Breakfast 7 Sanctuary Place Tuan QLD 4650

Hi Eva, The State Records Office of Western Australia will be able to help with copies of Certificate of Freedom and Ticket of Leave http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/collection/convict.asp Carol

Eva Do you know where and when George was born? Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Mitchell" <evamitch@shaw.ca> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] George HALL >I have located information that GEORGE HALL, convict No. 6029 was >transported to Western Australia on the ship Lincelles which left Portland, >England on 5 Oct 1861 bound for the Swan River Colony and arrived in >Freemantle, Australia on 28 January 1862 to serve out his sentence. > > George was convicted of housebreaking in Glasgow Scotland in 1859 and > received a sentence of 8 years to be served in the Glasgow Prison but was > instead shipped to Australia. > > Information states his Ticket of Leave Date was 2 Aug 1862. Certificate > of Freedom Date is listed as 19 Feb. 1868. Known areas Champion Bay. > Comments Shepherd, shoemaker. To South Australia, 22 Mar 1877. How do I > obtain copies of these documents? > > Would anyone have any information on George Hall's whereabouts after he > was released from prison? Is he listed on census records? Did he return > to Britain? When and how? Any information on or help in locating details > would be appreciated. > > Eva Mitchell, Vancouver, BC. Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

thanks for the website Carol. I will check it out. Eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Wood" <nanawood@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] George HALL > Hi Eva, > > The State Records Office of Western Australia will be able to help with > copies of Certificate of Freedom and Ticket of Leave > http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/collection/convict.asp > > > Carol > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We have been seaching for Francis Cockrill CRAXFORD for some years. He was transported to VDL on the Norfolk, arriving 14 May 1835. We have been able to find out a little about him, and after serving his sentence there is a record of him going to Victoria. We have been unable to find any trace of him after that. If anyone comes across his name, in Victoria or elsewhere in Australia, other than VDL, I would appreciate if they could let me know. Reg Moore

Rhoda Census information has George Hall born in Yorkshire, England about 1840. Eva ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] George HALL > Eva > > Do you know where and when George was born? > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eva Mitchell" <evamitch@shaw.ca> > To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:10 PM > Subject: [AUS-CON] George HALL > > >>I have located information that GEORGE HALL, convict No. 6029 was >>transported to Western Australia on the ship Lincelles which left >>Portland, >>England on 5 Oct 1861 bound for the Swan River Colony and arrived in >>Freemantle, Australia on 28 January 1862 to serve out his sentence. >> >> George was convicted of housebreaking in Glasgow Scotland in 1859 and >> received a sentence of 8 years to be served in the Glasgow Prison but was >> instead shipped to Australia. >> >> Information states his Ticket of Leave Date was 2 Aug 1862. Certificate >> of Freedom Date is listed as 19 Feb. 1868. Known areas Champion Bay. >> Comments Shepherd, shoemaker. To South Australia, 22 Mar 1877. How do I >> obtain copies of these documents? >> >> Would anyone have any information on George Hall's whereabouts after he >> was released from prison? Is he listed on census records? Did he return >> to Britain? When and how? Any information on or help in locating >> details >> would be appreciated. >> >> Eva Mitchell, Vancouver, BC. Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are some listings in the Pioneer Index : A Francis CROXFORD married Jane Underwood in 1875 his place of birth was listed as Oxfordshire; they had 4 children between 1887 and 1885 in Violet Town/Benalla. I can find no death fro Francis Croxford. A James CROxFORD married Charlotte PRoctor Burnell in Violet town in 1870.pob ENGLAND It is interesting that in Violet town in in 1893 a James CROXFORD died aged 77 est dob 1816. There is alarage family of CROXFORD's in the Violet town area in the indexes. Only 1 COCKRILL and it seems unconnected Willian Cockril IVES. I know CROXFORD is not CRAXFORD but my convict Godwin changed his name to GOODWIN when he came from Tasmania to Victoria, John Frederick became FREDERICKS, William Vickers became BICKERS. All names had only one letter altered, but research eventually sorted things out. regards Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Moore" <regmoore@paradise.net.nz> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] Craxford > We have been seaching for Francis Cockrill CRAXFORD for some years. > He was transported to VDL on the Norfolk, arriving 14 May 1835. > We have been able to find out a little about him, and after serving his > sentence > there is a record of him going to Victoria. We have been unable to find > any trace > of him after that. If anyone comes across his name, in Victoria or > elsewhere in > Australia, other than VDL, I would appreciate if they could let me know. > Reg Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have located information that GEORGE HALL, convict No. 6029 was transported to Western Australia on the ship Lincelles which left Portland, England on 5 Oct 1861 bound for the Swan River Colony and arrived in Freemantle, Australia on 28 January 1862 to serve out his sentence. George was convicted of housebreaking in Glasgow Scotland in 1859 and received a sentence of 8 years to be served in the Glasgow Prison but was instead shipped to Australia. Information states his Ticket of Leave Date was 2 Aug 1862. Certificate of Freedom Date is listed as 19 Feb. 1868. Known areas Champion Bay. Comments Shepherd, shoemaker. To South Australia, 22 Mar 1877. How do I obtain copies of these documents? Would anyone have any information on George Hall's whereabouts after he was released from prison? Is he listed on census records? Did he return to Britain? When and how? Any information on or help in locating details would be appreciated. Eva Mitchell, Vancouver, BC. Canada

Jan, As it appears part of your second question has already been answered by the good folks above.. the date is the date of the ship departing from England.... most voyages from england took about 120 days. I think you can find out when it arrived here.. not sure where to look for that info though. Lesley Uebel might be able to help with more info on John CRANFIELD.. I am glad to have been able to help out a little.. apparently though I was very tired when I was looking at the BDM's duhhh me. Regards Sue.

No, not absolute proof Cliff. What was his name? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of CLIFFORD WHEELER Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:34 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] ARE THE TRANSPORTATION RECORDS INFALABLE Hello, I have recently found the conviction records for my great x4 grandfather who was sentenced to 7 years transportation in 1816 from Hampshire Uk, for stealing bacon from the Lord of The Manor at Brockenhurst. Despite the kind efforts of a researcher in NSW, he cannot be traced. We know that he was back home with his family in 1826. Do you think that the lack of a record is absolute proof that he was not transported to Australia, Thanks Cliff Wheeler Barton on Sea, Hampshire

It is nice to find more people connected to the Princess Royal girls. I am a direct descendant of Sarah Harrington.in my father's line. She married convict Charles Godwin (Arab 1822.) My mother's line has a connection, not direct, to Mary Canning/Cannon who married convict John Frederick (Dromedary 1820). Robyn Gross