Hi Gavin My husband's gg grandmother, the daughter of two convicts, married at age 14 in 1862. There is a death of a George CURREY in the NSW BDM online index for 1882 in St Leonards. Father Henry and mother is Janet. There is also one for George P CURRIE for 1898 in Tuena?. Father is Charles and mother is Jemima. There are also a number of deaths for Jane Curry/Currie on that index. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm Good hunting Regards Wendy > > Recently I was informed that Jane Williams my great great grandmother was > a convict. She arrived on the Burrell in 1832 and in 1833 married George > Currey. As far as I know there is only one child in their marriage her > baptism was registered in 1834 Jane Curry (great grandmother) she latter > married a convict named Robert Lovelock in 1847.Her age at marriage seems > very young , was it permitted for marriages to be allowed at 15, or is > there any record to see if she came out as a baby with her mother Jane > Williams on the Burrell. > Also I am really baffled at the whereabouts of Jane (Williams) Currey and > husband George Currey. Can anybody please help. They just seemed to of > vanished after the baptism of the baby in 1834. > > Thank you > Gavin >

Thank you for the information and link, extremely interesting. It is great to know she took the youngest with her and I will work on the local records here in Dorset to see if I can trace her other children. It would also be good to try to track whether James and Sarah set up home together once they were freed. Kind regards Maddy In deepest Dorset - still and grey here! Hi Maddy The second item in http://heritagegenealogy.com.au:80/blog/ may help with some back ground info I have an index on fiche that I bought some time ago re free passengers and crew on convict ships into Sydney 1830-1840 Interestingly this lists BOWERING ( female infant) per Kains....... notes state child was 3 yo mother, Sarah BOWERING ,convict on board If you go to http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home > select advanced search > type in Kains from 11 Mar 1831 - 11 Apr 1831 select Sydney Gazette > find. some 19 refs to the Kains appear When you post on a foreign mailing list it helps you and us if you give a clue to your location Very few refs to BOWRING/ BOWERING in the NSW BDMs Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone out there who knows they are descended from either of the Welsh convicts above, please?  If so in return I can give some info about their trial and time in prison in Wales.   Books and records are inconclusive - some say both were transported, some that one or the other was pardoned.   I have had tremendous help from listers, notably Brenda from Adelaide, Mary-Jane and Judith - thanks to them and the others.   BUT confusion still remains about whether the women landed in NSW.   Both were tried the same day in July 1790 in Denbighshire at the Quarter Sessions. Both were sentenced to 7 years' transportation. Both (seem to have) sailed on the "Neptune" with the Second Fleet, God help them.   For instance one book says Sarah was pardoned and never left Denbighshire.  Another says she married in Parramatta.  I know there is a record of a marriage between a Sarah Evans and James Steward/t.   If any descendants can help, I would be happy to share what I have found out about them before transportation.  I am not a relative but am following up research on prisoners and transportees from Ruthin Gaol to NSW and VDL.   Thanks.   Chris Denbighshire, North Wales  

Hi Maddy Is this family connected to you ? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Maddy Duke Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:22 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] James and Sarah BOWRING I am trying to find more information about James and Sarah Bowring who were tried at Dorchester in 1830 and sentenced to be transported - James for 14 years and his wife Sarah for 7 years. They had eight children and came from Fleet in Dorset (although they were living at Winterborne Herringstone near Dorchester when they were arrested). Sarah travelled on the Kains and arrived in Sydney on 11 March 1831, she received her certificate of freedom on 23 Jul 1839. James travelled on the Isabella and received his certificate of freedom on 9 Apr 1844. When Sarah was taken to prison she had an infant with her. Would she have taken this child with her to Australia and what would have been the situation re their other seven children? I would really appreciate some advice on how to find more information about this family and what happened to them. Kind regards Maddy

Hi Maddy, We will need a little more information to be able to help. Do you have the names and ages of the children? If so a look at the 1841 or 1851 British census will probably tell you if they are still in England. Also Free BMD has a lot of Bowring people marrying in Dorchester and southern Dorset in the years from 1840 to 1860 but without the full names of the children it is not possible to know if it is them. Dorset has very good entries on the Online Parish Clerks website and covers most parishes in Dorset. As these children would have been born before compulsory registration (late 1837) they should be listed. If you can't find them on the census a look at the indent for both ships that the parents came on might help. I have come across situations before where 6 or more children were left behind, some in the care of relatives, when both parents were transported. Alternatively I have also found children who were allowed to accompany their parents either on the same ship or a later one. As there were 7 children the older ones may have been able to look after the youngsters. The British Govt were not keen on spending unnecessary money on convicts and to send 7 or 8 children to Australia would have been a considerable expense. Would the children have been able to raise the funds to pay their own fares? Unlikely. Were they old enough to emigrate without an adult to accompany them? Also unlikely. Could the parents have raised the funds the send for the children later? Possibly but also not likely. The Dorchester Records Office should have details of the trials of the parents. These records may mention the children. Also do you know what part of NSW the parents lived when serving their sentences? There is a 1837 convict muster in book form which I do not have access to but someone else on the list may be able to help you with this. Both parents should be listed with details of who they were assigned to work for. Do you have copies of the Certs of Freedom? If not you can get these from the State Records of NSW website and copies of Tickets of Leave from the Society of Australian Genealogists website. There is a James Bowring who died in Lithgow NSW in the 1890s which gives his parents' names but we have no way of knowing if this is the correct one. I cannot find a Sarah Bowring dying in NSW. The NSW BDMs are on the net. The Colonial Secretary's Index is on micro fiche and may mention the parents, especially if they petitioned the Governor to have the children join them in Australia. The Index is on micro fiche but sorry I don't have access to it. Hope the above suggestions are useful. Carol

Hi Lesley, No I am not descended from them but I am interested in tracing their family as I am working on a social history of Dorset prisoners (19th century) and they are the first couple I have come across who were both transported leaving a large number of children behind (possibly). I hope this does not constitute an abuse of this rootsweb site. Kind regards Maddy -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: 25 February 2009 23:56 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] James and Sarah BOWRING Hi Maddy Is this family connected to you ? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Maddy Duke Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:22 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] James and Sarah BOWRING I am trying to find more information about James and Sarah Bowring who were tried at Dorchester in 1830 and sentenced to be transported - James for 14 years and his wife Sarah for 7 years. They had eight children and came from Fleet in Dorset (although they were living at Winterborne Herringstone near Dorchester when they were arrested). Sarah travelled on the Kains and arrived in Sydney on 11 March 1831, she received her certificate of freedom on 23 Jul 1839. James travelled on the Isabella and received his certificate of freedom on 9 Apr 1844. When Sarah was taken to prison she had an infant with her. Would she have taken this child with her to Australia and what would have been the situation re their other seven children? I would really appreciate some advice on how to find more information about this family and what happened to them. Kind regards Maddy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Carol. I will work through these and see what I can find. I have found five children (two George's which I suspect explains the difference between Sarah saying she has eight children and James saying he has seven). They are Sarah born 1816, Mary Ann 1819, John 1821, George 1822 and George 1824. All were baptised at Fleet. Many thanks for all your suggestions. Kind regards Maddy -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Wood Sent: 25 February 2009 23:20 To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] James and Sarah BOWRING Hi Maddy, We will need a little more information to be able to help. Do you have the names and ages of the children? If so a look at the 1841 or 1851 British census will probably tell you if they are still in England. Also Free BMD has a lot of Bowring people marrying in Dorchester and southern Dorset in the years from 1840 to 1860 but without the full names of the children it is not possible to know if it is them. Dorset has very good entries on the Online Parish Clerks website and covers most parishes in Dorset. As these children would have been born before compulsory registration (late 1837) they should be listed. If you can't find them on the census a look at the indent for both ships that the parents came on might help. I have come across situations before where 6 or more children were left behind, some in the care of relatives, when both parents were transported. Alternatively I have also found children who were allowed to accompany their parents either on the same ship or a later one. As there were 7 children the older ones may have been able to look after the youngsters. The British Govt were not keen on spending unnecessary money on convicts and to send 7 or 8 children to Australia would have been a considerable expense. Would the children have been able to raise the funds to pay their own fares? Unlikely. Were they old enough to emigrate without an adult to accompany them? Also unlikely. Could the parents have raised the funds the send for the children later? Possibly but also not likely. The Dorchester Records Office should have details of the trials of the parents. These records may mention the children. Also do you know what part of NSW the parents lived when serving their sentences? There is a 1837 convict muster in book form which I do not have access to but someone else on the list may be able to help you with this. Both parents should be listed with details of who they were assigned to work for. Do you have copies of the Certs of Freedom? If not you can get these from the State Records of NSW website and copies of Tickets of Leave from the Society of Australian Genealogists website. There is a James Bowring who died in Lithgow NSW in the 1890s which gives his parents' names but we have no way of knowing if this is the correct one. I cannot find a Sarah Bowring dying in NSW. The NSW BDMs are on the net. The Colonial Secretary's Index is on micro fiche and may mention the parents, especially if they petitioned the Governor to have the children join them in Australia. The Index is on micro fiche but sorry I don't have access to it. Hope the above suggestions are useful. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find more information about James and Sarah Bowring who were tried at Dorchester in 1830 and sentenced to be transported - James for 14 years and his wife Sarah for 7 years. They had eight children and came from Fleet in Dorset (although they were living at Winterborne Herringstone near Dorchester when they were arrested). Sarah travelled on the Kains and arrived in Sydney on 11 March 1831, she received her certificate of freedom on 23 Jul 1839. James travelled on the Isabella and received his certificate of freedom on 9 Apr 1844. When Sarah was taken to prison she had an infant with her. Would she have taken this child with her to Australia and what would have been the situation re their other seven children? I would really appreciate some advice on how to find more information about this family and what happened to them. Kind regards Maddy

Hi Veronica I think that it means they may be moved between say, Parramatta, Sydney, Hawkesbury, Toongabbie etc and not to another colony. In the 1837 General Return of Convicts Thomas was living at Parramatta. If Mary was born in the colony she may be included in the 1828 NSW Census and perhaps the early Musters. She will not be listed by name in the 1841 Census unless she was a householder. I have an explaination of the 1841 on my web site at (half way down the page) http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page95.html When he applied for permission to marry a Margaret Reeves in 1838 it was refused because, on arrival, he stated that he was married with children. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Veronica Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:54 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Thomas Cassidy from Fermanagh - Hercules Thanks Lesley that's great. Would there be any way to find out more about what he did as a constable? It states below they might be moved about from time to time - would that have been out of the state or would they have stayed in Parramatta? Also, regarding the 1841 census, he had taken up with Mary Sweeney by this time and had their first child in Mar 1841. Should she be recorded somewhere, she was free. > to >

Thanks Lesley that's great. Would there be any way to find out more about what he did as a constable? It states below they might be moved about from time to time - would that have been out of the state or would they have stayed in Parramatta? Also, regarding the 1841 census, he had taken up with Mary Sweeney by this time and had their first child in Mar 1841. Should she be recorded somewhere, she was free. Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Thomas Cassidy from Fermanagh - Hercules > Hi Veronica > > He certainly could have been employed as a Constable.... please read > notice > below and it will explain everything. > > > Thomas will not appear in the 1841 Census as that only lists the names of > householders and Thomas was still a serving convict at that time. > > Thomas didn't receive a Certificate of Freedom - he received a 2nd Class > Conditional Pardon. Being in receive of such a CP meant he could not leave > Australia. Convicts in receipt of a Ticket of Leave had to remain in the > district noted on that TOL > > ---- > Government Order 30th May 1831 > > It having become necessary, in order to reduce the expense of the Police > Establishment, to revise the present system, His Excellency the Governor > is > pleased to order the following regulations to be established: viz. > > 1. Prisoners of the Crown shall be employed as Constables > > 2. Every Prisoner who shall be so employed, shall receive a Ticket of > Leave at > the end of three years service, provided the Magistrates under whom he has > been > employed, shall report that he deserves that indulgence. > > 3. At the expiration of five years further service, that is from the date > of his > receiving a Ticket of Leave, every prisoner shall, on producing a > Certificate > from the Magistrates as above, receive a Conditional Pardon. > > 4. No man will be admitted into the Establishment, unless he be able > bodied, > active and intelligent; nor unless he produces satisfactory testimonials > of good > conduct; nor will his services entitling him to a Ticket of Leave commence > until > he shall have been two years in the Colony, although he may have been > previously > appointed a constable. > > 5. Misconduct during the period of a prisoner's service as a constable, > will > deprive him of all claim to the advantages held out; and it will be the > duty of > the Magistrates immediately to report to the Colonial Secretary, for the > Governors information, whenever a constable shall misbehave or become > unfit for > the duty of his position > > 6. The Constables will be allowed pay, while employed as above, at the > rate of > one shilling and nine pence a day, They are to provide themselves with > food and > clothing. > > 7. They will, of course, be entitled to the usual rewards for apprehending > runaways etc. > > 8. These Constables will be removed occasionally from one district to > another; > and will not be able to cultivate land for themselves or others, or engage > in > business or employ themselves in any manner not immediately connected with > their > duty. > > 9. .Any person who shall employ any of these or any other paid Constable, > contrary to their duty, will be made responsible for the same as far as > circumstances may permit. > > 10. The Governor trusts, for the important nature of the boon now held > out, that > the services of an efficient body of Police will be ensured; and that > they, with > the zealous co-operation of the Magistrates in the arrangements now > promulgated, > will carry on the duty of the several districts at a much less expense to > the > public than hitherto. > > 11. The new organisation of the Mounted Police, which has proved the means > of > re-establishing the tranquility of the country, will render it unnecessary > to > employ the Constabulary in the pursuit of Bushrangers, should they again > disturb > the Colony, and a much smaller number of Constables will consequently be > employed. The arrangements which have been made already enabled the > Government > to dispense with the services of the sixty five Constables and a further > reduction will shortly be carried into effect. > > > By His Excellency's Command > Alexander McLeay > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Veronica > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:28 PM > To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Thomas Cassidy from Fermanagh - Hercules > > > Hello everyone > > I am looking to find out how a convict, who had a life sentence, could > also be a > constable before he got his ticket of leave? A distant cousin has found > details > of the following reference in the 'Hayes Collection" in the University of > Queensland Library; "Item 1415. List of persons charged by Thomas Cassidy > per > "Hercules" attached to Government Domain Parramatta (as Overseer and > Constable). > March 1831 - November 1837. Signed Henry Bailey, Clerk of Petty Sessions, > Parramatta.21.ms". > > It is unclear how he became a constable during this period, given he had a > life > sentence and did not receive his ticket of leave until 1838. I am unable > to > find any reference to him in the NSW 1841 census, which also seems odd > given he > didn't acquire a certificate of freedom until 1846. Could he have left > the > state during this time? My understanding is that his TOL would usually > have > required he stay within the district of Parramatta? > > Any help appreciated > > Veronica > > NT, Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Veronica He certainly could have been employed as a Constable.... please read notice below and it will explain everything. Thomas will not appear in the 1841 Census as that only lists the names of householders and Thomas was still a serving convict at that time. Thomas didn't receive a Certificate of Freedom - he received a 2nd Class Conditional Pardon. Being in receive of such a CP meant he could not leave Australia. Convicts in receipt of a Ticket of Leave had to remain in the district noted on that TOL ---- Government Order 30th May 1831 It having become necessary, in order to reduce the expense of the Police Establishment, to revise the present system, His Excellency the Governor is pleased to order the following regulations to be established: viz. 1. Prisoners of the Crown shall be employed as Constables 2. Every Prisoner who shall be so employed, shall receive a Ticket of Leave at the end of three years service, provided the Magistrates under whom he has been employed, shall report that he deserves that indulgence. 3. At the expiration of five years further service, that is from the date of his receiving a Ticket of Leave, every prisoner shall, on producing a Certificate from the Magistrates as above, receive a Conditional Pardon. 4. No man will be admitted into the Establishment, unless he be able bodied, active and intelligent; nor unless he produces satisfactory testimonials of good conduct; nor will his services entitling him to a Ticket of Leave commence until he shall have been two years in the Colony, although he may have been previously appointed a constable. 5. Misconduct during the period of a prisoner's service as a constable, will deprive him of all claim to the advantages held out; and it will be the duty of the Magistrates immediately to report to the Colonial Secretary, for the Governors information, whenever a constable shall misbehave or become unfit for the duty of his position 6. The Constables will be allowed pay, while employed as above, at the rate of one shilling and nine pence a day, They are to provide themselves with food and clothing. 7. They will, of course, be entitled to the usual rewards for apprehending runaways etc. 8. These Constables will be removed occasionally from one district to another; and will not be able to cultivate land for themselves or others, or engage in business or employ themselves in any manner not immediately connected with their duty. 9. .Any person who shall employ any of these or any other paid Constable, contrary to their duty, will be made responsible for the same as far as circumstances may permit. 10. The Governor trusts, for the important nature of the boon now held out, that the services of an efficient body of Police will be ensured; and that they, with the zealous co-operation of the Magistrates in the arrangements now promulgated, will carry on the duty of the several districts at a much less expense to the public than hitherto. 11. The new organisation of the Mounted Police, which has proved the means of re-establishing the tranquility of the country, will render it unnecessary to employ the Constabulary in the pursuit of Bushrangers, should they again disturb the Colony, and a much smaller number of Constables will consequently be employed. The arrangements which have been made already enabled the Government to dispense with the services of the sixty five Constables and a further reduction will shortly be carried into effect. By His Excellency's Command Alexander McLeay Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Veronica Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:28 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Thomas Cassidy from Fermanagh - Hercules Hello everyone I am looking to find out how a convict, who had a life sentence, could also be a constable before he got his ticket of leave? A distant cousin has found details of the following reference in the 'Hayes Collection" in the University of Queensland Library; "Item 1415. List of persons charged by Thomas Cassidy per "Hercules" attached to Government Domain Parramatta (as Overseer and Constable). March 1831 - November 1837. Signed Henry Bailey, Clerk of Petty Sessions, Parramatta.21.ms". It is unclear how he became a constable during this period, given he had a life sentence and did not receive his ticket of leave until 1838. I am unable to find any reference to him in the NSW 1841 census, which also seems odd given he didn't acquire a certificate of freedom until 1846. Could he have left the state during this time? My understanding is that his TOL would usually have required he stay within the district of Parramatta? Any help appreciated Veronica NT, Australia

More for transcriptions for John. It does pay to look at all the documents listing your convict as they usually detail the same information and some writing is easier to read than others. From an indent headed - List of Men per "John Calvin" arrived from Norfolk Island by the "Tory" (2) 15th June 1847 Name John Francis / Where Tried (blank) / When Tried (blank) / Height 5.5 / Age 22 / Sentence (blank) / Religion Curch of England / Read or Write Both a little / Married or Single Single / Children (blank) / Statement of Offence Burglary, tried with Thomas Mathews, a little money and a few articles of clothing - Prosecutor John Busby, Birmingham. Served 3 1/2 Years at the Hulks for a Sentence of 10 Years Transportion for Picking Pockets / Surgeon's Report (blank) / Trade Imperfect Wheelwright / Native Place Derby / Remarks father Henry, mother Ann, brother Henry, ( the next word looks like Single but may be the name of another brother, I can't tell), sister Mary } Birmingham John Francis did spent the first two years of his sentence at Norfolk Island before being transferred to VDL to serve the rest of his time. His parents and siblings were living in Birmingham when he was transported. It would be worthwhile checking up on Thomas Mathews for some more clues. See Archives website for details http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-37,307,137,L,80 On 24/02/2009, at 8:53 AM, John Collins wrote: > > > > > I have established through the Tasmanian Government archives that my > great, > Great grandfather, John Francis, was Convict 24722 in their > database. I have > > > Followed through to search their records at:http://search.archives.tas.gov > Au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-88,207,78,C,80 > But I am having considerable difficulty in deciphering the handwritten > Records. Probably a sign of my age and eyesight. > > Wondering whether there might be someone with a little spare time > that would >

Hi John Here is my best attempt at adding value for you. John Francis 15 Years Tried Warwick Assize, at Warwick 25 March 1846 Embarked (blank) Arrived 21 September 1846 Protestant Read & Write a little - - - 15 June 1847 Transported for Burglary Goal Report 2nd Conviction previously transported Single Stated this offence Burglary & stealing money & wearing apparel Prosecutor Mr John Basley. Birmingham Transported before 10 years for Picking Pockets served 5 1/4 years at the Hulks Single Surgeons Report "Good" Trade Wheelwright Imperfect (basically means he didn't finish his apprenticeship) / Height 5/5 / Age 22 / Complexion Dark / Head M (medium) / Hair Black Curly / Whiskers Black / Visage Oval / Forehead M (medium) / Eyebrows Dark / Eyes Hazel / Nose Medium / Mouth Small / Chin Large / Native Place Derby (probably meaning he came from Derbyshire) Marks Scar centre of forehead Scar on left collar bone Scar inside left arm Period of Labour Two Years / 15/5/48. Six Weeks / - 12 Months from 2 November 48 Station of Gang N Isld (could be Norfolk Island) 17/6/47 / SWR (Salt Water River) 21/5/49 P.B. (Prisoners Barracks Hobart) Class PW (Public Works) 3rd Class Offences and Sentences 18 March 48 - - / S.W.Rr. (Salt Water River) / Misconduct in doing work which he was not ordered to perform - Existing period of probation recommended to be extended six weeks. / I.I.G. / Approved 18/3/48 PW (Public Works) 21 May 1849 23 April 1850 Wigmore. Huon. / refusing to work. Three months impt (imprisonment) & hard labour / 18 March 1850 Wiggins. Hobart / Out after hours. 14 days impt (imprisonment) & hard labour 29 October 1850 Simms. New Wharf / Disobedience of orders, insolence & absence with out leave. Two Months imprisonment & hard labour. P.K. / C.M. / 1/11/50 8 April 1851 Simms. New Wharf / Disobedience of orders. 14 days imprisonment & hard labour -- -- / S.M. / 28 August 1852 / -- -- / Burglary. Fully Committed for Trial / CA / Tried Launceston QS (Quarter Sessions) 21 September 1852 Burglary Not Guilty 4.10.53 Ticket of Leave Conditional Pardon 14.8.55 30 months CS (Colonial Servitude) from 29 April 1857 C) (Colonial Office) 30/4/57 (this appears to refer to an additional sentence received after he was given a conditional pardon) The entries under Remarks tell for who and where John Francis was working. On 24/02/2009, at 8:53 AM, John Collins wrote: > > I have established through the Tasmanian Government archives that my > great, > Great grandfather, John Francis, was Convict 24722 in their > database. I have > > > Followed through to search their records at:http://search.archives.tas.gov > Au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-88,207,78,C,80 > But I am having considerable difficulty in deciphering the handwritten > Records. Probably a sign of my age and eyesight. > > Wondering whether there might be someone with a little spare time > that would > > > Mind viewing this record and whether they could add value to what I > have > Transcribed to date hereunder. > > > "Name FRANCIS, John > Sentence 15 years > Tried Warwick Ass., Warwick > Date 25 March 1846 > Transported for Burglary > Stated this offence Burglary & Stealing of money and wearing apparel > from Mr > > > John > Bosley, Buisnessman. Transfer _________ > 10 ________________for picking pockets > > Marriage status Single > Surgeons report (John Calvin) “Good” character during voyage. > Trade Wheelwright > Height 5’5” > Age 22 > Complexion Dark > Hair Black / curly > Visage ____________________ > Forehead Medium > Eyebrows Dark > Eyes Hazel > Nose _________________ > Mouth Small > Chin Large > Natural Place (Residence) Derby > Marks Scar centre of forehead, scar on left collar bone, scar inside > left > Arm > Period of Labour Two years_______________ 12 months from 2 Nov. 1948 > Station of Gang _________________________________ > Class > > > > > > > Offences and Sentences > > 18th March 1848 Misconduct in doing work which he was not ordered to > Perform > 23 April 1850 Refusing to work > 29th October 1850 (Disobeying orders, violence & Absence without leave > > 8th April 1851 (Disobeying Orders. 14 days with > 28th August 1852 Burglary. Fully commited for Trial ( ) > 21st September 1852. Burglary….Not Guilty > 4th October 1853 Ticket of Leave. > 14th August 1855 Conditional Pardon" > > Any assistance provided would be greatly appreciated, > > John Collins > Runcorn, Queensland

Hello everyone I am looking to find out how a convict, who had a life sentence, could also be a constable before he got his ticket of leave? A distant cousin has found details of the following reference in the 'Hayes Collection" in the University of Queensland Library; "Item 1415. List of persons charged by Thomas Cassidy per "Hercules" attached to Government Domain Parramatta (as Overseer and Constable). March 1831 - November 1837. Signed Henry Bailey, Clerk of Petty Sessions, Parramatta.21.ms". It is unclear how he became a constable during this period, given he had a life sentence and did not receive his ticket of leave until 1838. I am unable to find any reference to him in the NSW 1841 census, which also seems odd given he didn't acquire a certificate of freedom until 1846. Could he have left the state during this time? My understanding is that his TOL would usually have required he stay within the district of Parramatta? Any help appreciated Veronica NT, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Veronica To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Cassidy's from Fermanagh Hello everyone I am looking for any information anyone has about 3 brothers Edward, Phillip and Thomas Cassidy who were transported to Australia on Hercules II in 1830. Edward is known to have escaped. They were the children of Stephen Cassidy and his wife (possibly Catherine) Britton. Thomas was married previously and I am keen to trace his family in Ireland where he presumably left a wife and 2 female children. The trial was held in Fermanagh assizes in Ireland. Can anyone tell me how I can go about getting details of the trial, I have already undertaken searches at NSW State records and have some limited info, keen to do more. Would appreciate any help anyone can give, including any info about the voyage on Hercules II. Regards Veronica

I have established through the Tasmanian Government archives that my great, Great grandfather, John Francis, was Convict 24722 in their database. I have Followed through to search their records at:http://search.archives.tas.gov Au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-88,207,78,C,80 But I am having considerable difficulty in deciphering the handwritten Records. Probably a sign of my age and eyesight. Wondering whether there might be someone with a little spare time that would Mind viewing this record and whether they could add value to what I have Transcribed to date hereunder. "Name FRANCIS, John Sentence 15 years Tried Warwick Ass., Warwick Date 25 March 1846 Transported for Burglary Stated this offence Burglary & Stealing of money and wearing apparel from Mr John Bosley, Buisnessman. Transfer _________ 10 ________________for picking pockets Marriage status Single Surgeons report (John Calvin) “Good” character during voyage. Trade Wheelwright Height 5’5” Age 22 Complexion Dark Hair Black / curly Visage ____________________ Forehead Medium Eyebrows Dark Eyes Hazel Nose _________________ Mouth Small Chin Large Natural Place (Residence) Derby Marks Scar centre of forehead, scar on left collar bone, scar inside left Arm Period of Labour Two years_______________ 12 months from 2 Nov. 1948 Station of Gang _________________________________ Class Offences and Sentences 18th March 1848 Misconduct in doing work which he was not ordered to Perform 23 April 1850 Refusing to work 29th October 1850 (Disobeying orders, violence & Absence without leave 8th April 1851 (Disobeying Orders. 14 days with 28th August 1852 Burglary. Fully commited for Trial ( ) 21st September 1852. Burglary….Not Guilty 4th October 1853 Ticket of Leave. 14th August 1855 Conditional Pardon" Any assistance provided would be greatly appreciated, John Collins Runcorn, Queensland

Hi John, It is indeed difficult to decipher. Here is some extra things I could see: The word after Mr Bossley is "Birmingham" not Businessman. The words before 10 look like "Transfer before" (But sentence does not make sense?) The word after 10 is years (it is obscured by the "y" from Bossley above). Later on that line it looks like it says something like "served 3 and a 1/2 (??) years at the hulks". His visage was "Oval" His nose was either long or m for medium. take your pick! The word between two lines after "Fully committed for trial" looks like Oct (short for October)? Then "Tried Launc. (short for Launceston) Q.S. (short for quarter sessions) Regards, Linda --- On Tue, 24/2/09, John Collins <johncla@optusnet.com.au> wrote: From: John Collins <johncla@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [AUS-CON] Francis, John To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Received: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 8:53 AM I have established through the Tasmanian Government archives that my great, Great grandfather, John Francis, was Convict 24722 in their database. I have Followed through to search their records at:http://search.archives.tas.gov Au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-88,207,78,C,80 But I am having considerable difficulty in deciphering the handwritten Records. Probably a sign of my age and eyesight. Wondering whether there might be someone with a little spare time that would Mind viewing this record and whether they could add value to what I have Transcribed to date hereunder. "Name FRANCIS, John Sentence 15 years Tried Warwick Ass., Warwick Date 25 March 1846 Transported for Burglary Stated this offence Burglary & Stealing of money and wearing apparel from Mr John Bosley, Buisnessman. Transfer _________ 10 ________________for picking pockets Marriage status Single Surgeons report (John Calvin) “Good” character during voyage. Trade Wheelwright Height 5’5” Age 22 Complexion Dark Hair Black / curly Visage ____________________ Forehead Medium Eyebrows Dark Eyes Hazel Nose _________________ Mouth Small Chin Large Natural Place (Residence) Derby Marks Scar centre of forehead, scar on left collar bone, scar inside left Arm Period of Labour Two years_______________ 12 months from 2 Nov. 1948 Station of Gang _________________________________ Class Offences and Sentences 18th March 1848 Misconduct in doing work which he was not ordered to Perform 23 April 1850 Refusing to work 29th October 1850 (Disobeying orders, violence & Absence without leave 8th April 1851 (Disobeying Orders. 14 days with 28th August 1852 Burglary. Fully commited for Trial ( ) 21st September 1852. Burglary….Not Guilty 4th October 1853 Ticket of Leave. 14th August 1855 Conditional Pardon" Any assistance provided would be greatly appreciated, John Collins Runcorn, Queensland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Deb, There are many convicts with this name so I imagine it is a matter of elimination. Some possibilities : per Barwell 1797 Royal Admiral 1800 Sir William Bensley 1816 General Stewart 1818 Atlas 1819 Countess of Harcourt 1821 Have you tried to NSW State Archives website. The above items I found on the Convict Transportation Registers on the Qld State Library website. Perhaps a kind lister can tell us if a Permissions to Marry index exists or offer suggestions. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Rohde" <rohde11@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] convict George Mason > Hi, > > I'm trying to locate information on an ancestor named George Mason. He > was > a convict and received permission to marry Mary Ann Owen in New South > Wales > on 1 Feb 1833. > > > > Thanks > > Deb > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I'm trying to locate information on an ancestor named George Mason. He was a convict and received permission to marry Mary Ann Owen in New South Wales on 1 Feb 1833. Thanks Deb

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