Hi Lyn, Court Martial Reports WO91 and Court Martial Registers WO92/1 are available. At least they were for my convict charged in 1809. Payroll and Muster Book records were also available. Someone else on the list may be able to advise if they are available here. I am not sure if they are available on the Australian Joint Copying Project or similar records. I ordered my records from England. Have you searched the National Archives website in UK or the A2A (Access to Archives) website to see what you can find. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Thompson" <netty@picknowl.com.au> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] John TERRY >I would like to know where I can get the trial details of a convict called > John TERRY. He came out on the Baring (2) in 1819. He was given a Court > Martial at Chatham on the 15 Sept 1818 and sentenced to 14 years. Can SKS > please point me in the right direction. > > He was given his Certificate of Freedom on 15 Apr 1833. > > Thanks > Lynne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, Can anyone help me with some info on GEORGE MORGAN arrived 1791 on "ALBEMARLE" or WILLIAM MORGAN also arrived on the "Albemarle". Both convicts ??? Is anyone connected to them or does anyone know what became of them? Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney.

He would almost certainly have been held at Leicester Prison for a while and then transferred to Prison Hulks - I don't know where the nearest Hulks were moored - perhaps they would have taken him to London (there were several moored on the Thames). I believe some of the Hulk registers still exist although I have not traced them yet. It might be worth emailing the National Archives and asking them, if you use this link to their page you can fill in the contact form http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact/default.htm Kind regards Maddy England -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cole Sent: 02 March 2009 10:11 To: aus-convicts-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Coleman Hello Crew,  I am looking for Ideas on how to trace an Ancestor by the Name of Heny Coleman who was tried at Leicester Court on 23rd March 1797 and subsequently transported to Sydney on the 'Barwell' on 18th May, 1798.  I have contacted the relevant Archives in the U.K. to be told that the records for that location and time have been destroyed. He must have been 'Held' somewhere between the Trial and his departure on 7th November, 1797.   Does anyone have any ideas on where I should look next to find his Family.  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Brian Coleman Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Crew,  I am looking for Ideas on how to trace an Ancestor by the Name of Heny Coleman who was tried at Leicester Court on 23rd March 1797 and subsequently transported to Sydney on the 'Barwell' on 18th May, 1798.  I have contacted the relevant Archives in the U.K. to be told that the records for that location and time have been destroyed. He must have been 'Held' somewhere between the Trial and his departure on 7th November, 1797.   Does anyone have any ideas on where I should look next to find his Family.  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Brian Coleman Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

Hi Les, Address of Firewall that Michael installed on my computer. Cheers Peter http://www.comodo.com/

Thanks to those who replied to my earlier query re CRAXFORD, It is very unlikey that he would have used the name CROXFORD, with the large number of that name in the family, only one has used another name, CRAUFORD, and that was for a particular reason. I just thought I would try a query in case anyone had come across that name, hopefully I will find out what happened to him eventually. Reg Moore

Hi Listers, Can SKS please direct me to where I may find the details of the release of a prisoner from Cockatoo Island. George DUDLEY was amongst the initial group of 60 or so convicts sent to Cockatoo Island and his time would have expired mid 1841. He was under a Colonial sentence and had been granted an indulgence because of his help in saving lives and property from the wreck of the Friendship on Norfolk Island. I have found no Certificate of Freedom . Is there an index or other source that could give me the date please? Cheers Peter Melbourne

Hi Jan, The Qld State Library website has him list in their on-line transportation register as follows: Edward Coles Neva 1833 - Convicted at Somerset Quarter Sessions for a term of 14 years on 15 October 1832 AJCP Microfilm Roll 90 Class & Piece No.HO11/9 page No. 185 (94) Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: [AUS-CON] COLES Edward > Seeking any information available about Edward COLES who arrived in NSW > aboard "Neva" in 1833 please. > Many thanks, > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I assume that you know he got is certificate of freedom on 2nd Feb 1847 number 47/0127 He also received numerous tickets of leave passports.. he must have been working somewhere that required it. There is a marriage for an Edward COLES in 1846 which could be him... To Ellen CRANFIELD in the following church Presbyterian Church in the following Districts. Derbie, Hunter District, Maitland, Morpeth, Paterson, Singleton Also a death for an Edward COLES 5804/1863 COLES EDWARD AGE 49 YEARS DIED RYDE RYDE Not sure.. but the age would be about right ... if he was 49 when he died that would make him 19 when he arrived... not sure if you know how old he was or not.. I hope this helps Sue.

Seeking any information available about Edward COLES who arrived in NSW aboard "Neva" in 1833 please. Many thanks, Jan

Dear Christine, This is not much help and or relevance to your enquiry but my maternal side is Evans going back to 1673 with John Evans m Martha Evans in Constantine Cornwall. The first Sarah Evans we have was christened 12/2/1797. Don't complain about the damp, we live in Victoria Australia and it has not rained for over two months and we are facing another potential firestorm next Tuesday with winds uo to 140kph and century temps. Cheers Ken Sinclair > gfimailbox-cmwilliams@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > > > Thanks Lesley, Yes, I know those dates - sorry - I made an error. Trial > 1786 and then Ruthin Gaol until sent to join the second fleet. > Books and records say different things. > In the Gov. Hunter's report Sarah Evans same county of origin, trial > date and vessel is shown as having married and settled.  There is a > record of a wedding of a Sarah Evans with James Stewart at Parramatta in > 1791.  Ony two Sarah Evanses are shown as "arriving" by that date.  > The other is recorded as someone else's concubine. There is also a > pardon in our National Archives.  Yet no record has been found here in > Denbighshire of Sarah's death.  > Generous listers, like I said, especially Brenda, have helped me with > books and records and the confusion is left. > That is our problem;  certain researchers/writers believe they > DID leave UK, others believe they did not and that's why I am asking > if anyone has actually traced their descent from these women. And also > whether they then would be interested in the info we have about their > time embroiled in the Welsh legal system. > I appreciate your response, Lesley, and thank you very much for > checking the books.  Sorry again for the typo - that's what happens > when you work from memory at my age! > Thanks again, > Best wishes from a damp and cloudy North Wales, > Christine > >   >   > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ken. Quite a pedigree you have traced back all those years!  I was wondering whether any of the old Cornish records are in the Cornish language?  I'll have to have a look - it's related to Welsh, isn't it? News and pictures from Victoria have been horrendous beyond belief.  I cannot imagine having to go through it. Chris.

Thanks Lesley, Yes, I know those dates - sorry - I made an error. Trial 1786 and then Ruthin Gaol until sent to join the second fleet. Books and records say different things. In the Gov. Hunter's report Sarah Evans same county of origin, trial date and vessel is shown as having married and settled.  There is a record of a wedding of a Sarah Evans with James Stewart at Parramatta in 1791.  Ony two Sarah Evanses are shown as "arriving" by that date.  The other is recorded as someone else's concubine. There is also a pardon in our National Archives.  Yet no record has been found here in Denbighshire of Sarah's death.  Generous listers, like I said, especially Brenda, have helped me with books and records and the confusion is left. That is our problem;  certain researchers/writers believe they DID leave UK, others believe they did not and that's why I am asking if anyone has actually traced their descent from these women. And also whether they then would be interested in the info we have about their time embroiled in the Welsh legal system. I appreciate your response, Lesley, and thank you very much for checking the books.  Sorry again for the typo - that's what happens when you work from memory at my age! Thanks again, Best wishes from a damp and cloudy North Wales, Christine    

Hi Chris Both women were tried in July 1786 - not July 1790. The Neptune arrived into PJ in June 1790. According to "The Second Fleet" by Michael Flynn neither of them arrived. Apparently they had both been pardoned and released in 1789 and an admin error resulted in their names being among those ordered for embarkation. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of gfimailbox-cmwilliams@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:16 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] NEPTUNE 1790, Denbighshire, Wales,2nd Fleet - Sarah Evans / Grace Jones Is there anyone out there who knows they are descended from either of the Welsh convicts above, please? If so in return I can give some info about their trial and time in prison in Wales. Books and records are inconclusive - some say both were transported, some that one or the other was pardoned. I have had tremendous help from listers, notably Brenda from Adelaide, Mary-Jane and Judith - thanks to them and the others. BUT confusion still remains about whether the women landed in NSW. Both were tried the same day in July 1790 in Denbighshire at the Quarter Sessions. Both were sentenced to 7 years' transportation. Both (seem to have) sailed on the "Neptune" with the Second Fleet, God help them. For instance one book says Sarah was pardoned and never left Denbighshire. Another says she married in Parramatta. I know there is a record of a marriage between a Sarah Evans and James Steward/t. If any descendants can help, I would be happy to share what I have found out about them before transportation. I am not a relative but am following up research on prisoners and transportees from Ruthin Gaol to NSW and VDL. Thanks. Chris Denbighshire, North Wales

Hi Thank you both Wendy and Les for your assistance, On the Certificate of Freedom for Jane Williams wife of George Currey I have noticed on the side is written Bathurst. Do you think she may have been confined to that district until this certificate was granted, or after marring a free man was she entitled to go where ever her husband travelled, or was Bathurst the place they just happened to live when the certificate of Freedom was given to Jane? Kind Regards Gav

----- Original Message ----- From: "Maddy Duke" <maddyduke@btinternet.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] James and Sarah BOWRING > Hi Lesley, > No I am not descended from them but I am interested in tracing their > family > as I am working on a social history of Dorset prisoners (19th > century) and > they are the first couple I have come across who were both > transported > leaving a large number of children behind (possibly). Hi Maddy The second item in http://heritagegenealogy.com.au:80/blog/ may help with some back ground info I have an index on fiche that I bought some time ago re free passengers and crew on convict ships into Sydney 1830-1840 Interestingly this lists BOWERING ( female infant) per Kains....... notes state child was 3 yo mother, Sarah BOWERING ,convict on board If you go to http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home > select advanced search > type in Kains from 11 Mar 1831 - 11 Apr 1831 select Sydney Gazette > find. some 19 refs to the Kains appear When you post on a foreign mailing list it helps you and us if you give a clue to your location Very few refs to BOWRING/ BOWERING in the NSW BDMs Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

Lesley wrote: >as a minor required the > consent of her parents or guardians. > Wendy wrote: >My husband's gg grandmother, the daughter of two >convicts, married at age >14 in 1862. That's very interesting Lesley. As both my convict parents were dead when she married. Who would have had to give their permission in this case do you know? Regards Wendy

Hi listers, where would I look to find more info on my JOHN H YOUNG/ELIZABETH MURRAY re parents names? just purchased their marriage cert which states BANNS as authority...Parish was St James Sydney....found on NSWBDM's only four Elizabeth Murray's eliminated two due to age too young to marry maybe 10yrs/11yrs....could anyone advise please...cheers Lesley

Yes, she could have married at 15 - many did, although as a minor required the consent of her parents or guardians. The Indent states that Jane Williams per "Burrell" was single and arrived with no children. It is always worthwhile to check the Indent when researching convicts. Jane didn't disappear after 1834 as she received her Certificate of Freedom in 1839 (State Records of NSW) Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gavin and Marites Spicer Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:10 PM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Jane williams & George Currey whereabouts Hi Recently I was informed that Jane Williams my great great grandmother was a convict. She arrived on the Burrell in 1832 and in 1833 married George Currey. As far as I know there is only one child in their marriage her baptism was registered in 1834 Jane Curry (great grandmother) she latter married a convict named Robert Lovelock in 1847.Her age at marriage seems very young , was it permitted for marriages to be allowed at 15, or is there any record to see if she came out as a baby with her mother Jane Williams on the Burrell. Also I am really baffled at the whereabouts of Jane (Williams) Currey and husband George Currey. Can anybody please help. They just seemed to of vanished after the baptism of the baby in 1834. Thank you Gavin

Hi Recently I was informed that Jane Williams my great great grandmother was a convict. She arrived on the Burrell in 1832 and in 1833 married George Currey. As far as I know there is only one child in their marriage her baptism was registered in 1834 Jane Curry (great grandmother) she latter married a convict named Robert Lovelock in 1847.Her age at marriage seems very young , was it permitted for marriages to be allowed at 15, or is there any record to see if she came out as a baby with her mother Jane Williams on the Burrell. Also I am really baffled at the whereabouts of Jane (Williams) Currey and husband George Currey. Can anybody please help. They just seemed to of vanished after the baptism of the baby in 1834. Thank you Gavin