Hi Lorraine doesnt Paul Goard have all this? regards Lina > Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston <pauleonlad1@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Re George Morgan & William Morgan. > > Thankyou for your response. Lesley & Lyn. > I do know there were many persons by these names who came to Australia. > > My grandfather had researched them back in the 1950's and his notes > showed a reference to; > George Morgan (came free) aged 15yrs ,Profession Brickmaker arrived Oct > 1791 on the "Albemarle" the same ship that carried his prospective > father-in-law the convict Edward Collins and his wife Elizabeth who gave > birth to the daughter Ann Collins in the waters off Sydney hds. > George and Ann were married ? 1806/7 ( no record found to date). Ann > was 16yrs and George 30yrs ( they had 15 children) > We do have copies of their death certs. > > ( Ancestry docs re Australian Convict Transportation 1791-1868 ref > HO11/1 shows both William and George Morgan as convicts 7yrs terms > 1796&1797 ship Albemarle) > Also reference to both William and George on the QLD site. > > Further research showed a George Morgan convict arrived the Canada Dec > 1801 also Brickmaker and it is this G. Morgan that has been accepted in > the families history. > > My problem is that records pop up with reference to "William Morgan" and > we haven't yet been able to find parents for the George Morgan's !!! > Hence I am ever doubtful and still searching for answers. > > I have been researching for well over 30yrs myself and am currently > helping with the updating of our Family's Story " A Colonial > Brickmakers Family" . > > Any further help would be gratefully received . > Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to locate information regarding my great-grand father, who was a guest of the English judicial system in Australia. Patrick Slattery Born 1830 - 32 Roscommon, Ireland Case #S4360 - Larceny June 4, 1848 Sentenced to 7 years in Australia Shipped via Lord Dalhousie Left Queenstown, March 3, 1852 Arrived Victoria, August 14, 1852 Document Reference # TR8, p73, CRF1850524 I have no information between Aug 4, 1852 and when he reappeared in County Galway, Ireland circa 1859-60 Any assistance would be appreciated. Kenneth Slattery This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto.

My response was to Stan Elgood's question about Edward Neighbour Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni Ray" <bluewren@securenym.net> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR > > >> Dear Peter >> >> I think you've got your email addresses confused :( >> >>> Sorry, my query was for Stephen John Ward & Harriet Knights who left >>> Plymouth England on the Shand 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria >>> 1855 >>> >>> I've been able to find the ship's details, but no a listing of >>> passengers, or any other trace of the above. >>> >>> Jenni Ray >>> >>> On 07/03/2009, at 11:56 AM, PETER FERGUSON wrote: >>> >>>> It looks highly likely that your Edward Neighbour was a >>>> "Pentonvillian" or >>>> "Exile". They were convicts who were trained in a trade in >>>> Pentonville and >>>> other UK prisons and then sent to Australia and given a conditional >>>> pardon >>>> on arrival in Melbourne. The condition was that they could not >>>> return to >>>> England until their original sentence had expired. In all other >>>> respects >>>> they were free. >>>> >>>> The Thomas Arbruthnot arrived in Port Phillip 4 May 1847 >>>> >>>> See "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M Clark. If he >>>> was one >>>> of this group then you should be able to find him in that book. >>>> >>>> See also NSW State Records >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Peter Ferguson >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> >>>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Leigh, >>>>> >>>>> There are probably several places you could search on-line. The >>>>> State >>>>> Records of NSW might have something on him. >>>>> >>>>> I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated >>>>> how much >>>>> info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in >>>>> your >>>>> email, >>>>> I can add a little more. >>>>> >>>>> The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State >>>>> Library >>>>> website have the following info: >>>>> >>>>> Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot >>>>> departed >>>>> 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions >>>>> term 7 >>>>> yrs. >>>>> >>>>> One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) >>>>> not >>>>> VDL'. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for >>>>> some >>>>> reason >>>>> to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to >>>>> shed >>>>> some light on this. >>>>> >>>>> There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian >>>>> Archives >>>>> website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William >>>>> 1834. >>>>> Could they perhaps be related? >>>>> >>>>> Lyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM >>>>> Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on >>>>>> the Sir >>>>>> Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanking you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leigh neighbour >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Dear Peter > > I think you've got your email addresses confused :( > >> Sorry, my query was for Stephen John Ward & Harriet Knights who left >> Plymouth England on the Shand 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria >> 1855 >> >> I've been able to find the ship's details, but no a listing of >> passengers, or any other trace of the above. >> >> Jenni Ray >> >> On 07/03/2009, at 11:56 AM, PETER FERGUSON wrote: >> >>> It looks highly likely that your Edward Neighbour was a >>> "Pentonvillian" or >>> "Exile". They were convicts who were trained in a trade in >>> Pentonville and >>> other UK prisons and then sent to Australia and given a conditional >>> pardon >>> on arrival in Melbourne. The condition was that they could not >>> return to >>> England until their original sentence had expired. In all other >>> respects >>> they were free. >>> >>> The Thomas Arbruthnot arrived in Port Phillip 4 May 1847 >>> >>> See "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M Clark. If he >>> was one >>> of this group then you should be able to find him in that book. >>> >>> See also NSW State Records >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Peter Ferguson >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> >>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >>> >>> >>>> Hi Leigh, >>>> >>>> There are probably several places you could search on-line. The >>>> State >>>> Records of NSW might have something on him. >>>> >>>> I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated >>>> how much >>>> info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in >>>> your >>>> email, >>>> I can add a little more. >>>> >>>> The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State >>>> Library >>>> website have the following info: >>>> >>>> Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot >>>> departed >>>> 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions >>>> term 7 >>>> yrs. >>>> >>>> One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) >>>> not >>>> VDL'. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for >>>> some >>>> reason >>>> to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to >>>> shed >>>> some light on this. >>>> >>>> There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian >>>> Archives >>>> website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William >>>> 1834. >>>> Could they perhaps be related? >>>> >>>> Lyn >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> >>>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM >>>> Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on >>>>> the Sir >>>>> Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanking you. >>>>> >>>>> Leigh neighbour >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Dear Peter I think you've got your email addresses confused :( > Sorry, my query was for Stephen John Ward & Harriet Knights who left > Plymouth England on the Shand 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria 1855 > > I've been able to find the ship's details, but no a listing of > passengers, or any other trace of the above. > > Jenni Ray > > On 07/03/2009, at 11:56 AM, PETER FERGUSON wrote: > >> It looks highly likely that your Edward Neighbour was a >> "Pentonvillian" or >> "Exile". They were convicts who were trained in a trade in >> Pentonville and >> other UK prisons and then sent to Australia and given a conditional >> pardon >> on arrival in Melbourne. The condition was that they could not >> return to >> England until their original sentence had expired. In all other >> respects >> they were free. >> >> The Thomas Arbruthnot arrived in Port Phillip 4 May 1847 >> >> See "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M Clark. If he >> was one >> of this group then you should be able to find him in that book. >> >> See also NSW State Records >> >> HTH >> >> Peter Ferguson >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >> >> >>> Hi Leigh, >>> >>> There are probably several places you could search on-line. The >>> State >>> Records of NSW might have something on him. >>> >>> I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated >>> how much >>> info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in your >>> email, >>> I can add a little more. >>> >>> The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State >>> Library >>> website have the following info: >>> >>> Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot >>> departed >>> 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions >>> term 7 >>> yrs. >>> >>> One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) >>> not >>> VDL'. >>> >>> Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for >>> some >>> reason >>> to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to >>> shed >>> some light on this. >>> >>> There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian >>> Archives >>> website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William >>> 1834. >>> Could they perhaps be related? >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> >>> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM >>> Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >>> >>> >>>> I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on >>>> the Sir >>>> Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanking you. >>>> >>>> Leigh neighbour >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Sorry, my query was for Stephen John Ward & Harriet Knights who left Plymouth England on the Shand 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria 1855 I've been able to find the ship's details, but no a listing of passengers, or any other trace of the above. Jenni Ray On 07/03/2009, at 11:56 AM, PETER FERGUSON wrote: > It looks highly likely that your Edward Neighbour was a > "Pentonvillian" or > "Exile". They were convicts who were trained in a trade in > Pentonville and > other UK prisons and then sent to Australia and given a conditional > pardon > on arrival in Melbourne. The condition was that they could not > return to > England until their original sentence had expired. In all other > respects > they were free. > > The Thomas Arbruthnot arrived in Port Phillip 4 May 1847 > > See "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M Clark. If he > was one > of this group then you should be able to find him in that book. > > See also NSW State Records > > HTH > > Peter Ferguson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR > > >> Hi Leigh, >> >> There are probably several places you could search on-line. The >> State >> Records of NSW might have something on him. >> >> I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated >> how much >> info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in your >> email, >> I can add a little more. >> >> The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State Library >> website have the following info: >> >> Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot departed >> 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions >> term 7 >> yrs. >> >> One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) not >> VDL'. >> >> Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for some >> reason >> to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to >> shed >> some light on this. >> >> There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian >> Archives >> website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William >> 1834. >> Could they perhaps be related? >> >> Lyn >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM >> Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >> >> >>> I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on >>> the Sir >>> Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanking you. >>> >>> Leigh neighbour >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

It looks highly likely that your Edward Neighbour was a "Pentonvillian" or "Exile". They were convicts who were trained in a trade in Pentonville and other UK prisons and then sent to Australia and given a conditional pardon on arrival in Melbourne. The condition was that they could not return to England until their original sentence had expired. In all other respects they were free. The Thomas Arbruthnot arrived in Port Phillip 4 May 1847 See "Convicts of the Port Phillip District" by Keith M Clark. If he was one of this group then you should be able to find him in that book. See also NSW State Records HTH Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR > Hi Leigh, > > There are probably several places you could search on-line. The State > Records of NSW might have something on him. > > I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated how much > info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in your > email, > I can add a little more. > > The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State Library > website have the following info: > > Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot departed > 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions term 7 > yrs. > > One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) not > VDL'. > > Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for some > reason > to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to shed > some light on this. > > There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian Archives > website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William 1834. > Could they perhaps be related? > > Lyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM > Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR > > >>I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on the Sir >>Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 >> >> >> >> Thanking you. >> >> Leigh neighbour >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Leigh, There are probably several places you could search on-line. The State Records of NSW might have something on him. I just checked the Qld State Library website. You haven't stated how much info you have already but if it is only what you have stated in your email, I can add a little more. The British Convict Transportation registers at the Qld State Library website have the following info: Edward Neighbour one of 249 convicts on the Thomas Arbuthnot departed 6/1/1847. Convicted at Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury Quarter Sessions term 7 yrs. One curious notation was 'disembarked at Port Phillip (Melbourne) not VDL'. Perhaps the ship originally set out for Tasmania but decided for some reason to unload the convicts in Melbourne? Another lister may be able to shed some light on this. There are four other Neighbour convicts listed on the Tasmanian Archives website. James arrived 1835, John 1833, William 1843 and William 1834. Could they perhaps be related? Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Neighbour" <neimor@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] Searching for Edward NEIGHBOUR >I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on the Sir >Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 > > > > Thanking you. > > Leigh neighbour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am trying to locate Edward NEIGHBOUR he arived on May 1847 on the Sir Thomas Arbuthnot his age was 16 Thanking you. Leigh neighbour

I want to thank all these people on this list who attempted to help me find information on my George Hall. It has been much appreciated. Eva

I don't know if Jenni is subscribed to this list, but convicts were not transported to Victoria at that time. Perhaps they were free settlers. Try the Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923 at: http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenni Ray To: AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Searching for Convict Roots Hi I'm trying to locate: Stephen John Ward Harriet Knights Both travelled on the ship The Shand, departed Plymouth, England 27 Oct 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria, Australia 20 Jan 1855. I've been able to find the ships sailing details, but not a list of passengers at all. Can you help me? Jenni Ray

----- Original Message ----- From: Jenni Ray To: AUS-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Searching for Convict Roots Hi I'm trying to locate: Stephen John Ward Harriet Knights Both travelled on the ship The Shand, departed Plymouth, England 27 Oct 1854 and arrived Portland, Victoria, Australia 20 Jan 1855. I've been able to find the ships sailing details, but not a list of passengers at all. Can you help me? Jenni Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 03/04/09 07:41:00

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Mitchell" <evamitch@shaw.ca> To: <AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:11 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] GEORGE HALL - South Australia census after1877 >I wonder if someone who has access to the above census records would >look for MY convict GEORGE HALL. His Certificate of Freedom date is >19 Feb. 1868; Known areas Champion Bay. > Comments state - "Shepherd, shoemaker. To South Australia, 22 Mar > 1877." George's birthdate was 1840, England. He was transported to > Western Australia on the Lincelles which arrived in Freemantle 28 > Jan 1862. He was sentenced to 8 years penal servitude. > Hi Eva There are no censuses to access .The Australian Governments have never kept census data till very recently Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

Hi Bill The DOUGLAS/S spelling continues to vary to this day. My mother was a DOUGLASS and always had to say - with 2 esses at the end. But many of our family documents have both spellings. As to why William DOUGLASS (Coromandel 1804) who married Mary Ann CROSS starting using George is another quandry. To my knowledge there were no surviving male children of the first fleet William DOUGLAS/S. Best source for this is the Jurd association and the First Fleet Fellowship. Many of the DOUGLAS/S and CROSS descendants can be found in the Forgotten Valley Mailing List or the Cross Flud/Flood mailing list. Just to add to the mix, it would appear that William DOUGLAS/S (Coro 1804) Had a son to Ann PEAT, yet another William DOUGLASS b 10 Jun 1809 Pitt town, christened presbyterian, 2 Mar 1829 Portland Head. Ref NSW BDM 16 vol 162 A. There is a paper called the Douglas Contovery by Carol Baxter, I would be happy to email you a copy if you are interested please contact me off list. BFN OOROO Michelle ============== http://au.geocities.com/patientgenie/ On 20 Feb 2009 at 12:50, Bill Moyle wrote: > Other researchers report that First Fleeters William DOUGLAS and Mary > GROVES married in Sydney on 1 June 1788 and that their children > included William George DOUGLAS or DOUGLASS, who, on 14 Nov 1814, had > a daughter Mary Ann DOUGLASS with Mary Ann CROSS. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree and throw any light on the apparent > change of spelling in the surname, (DOUGLAS to DOUGLASS)? > > Bill Moyle

Champion Bay is the old name for Geraldton WA ,there are still small areas going by Champion Bay Settlements. On the WA Convicts site George Hall Trial 8years at Glasgow 1859 for housebreaking Bootmaker 5' 2" Single. Brown Hair,Grey Eyes ,Round Face,Freckles,Build Midling stout. Convict No 6029 Sorry was not able to access census but hope this helps. Faye --- On Wed, 4/3/09, Eva Mitchell <evamitch@shaw.ca> wrote: From: Eva Mitchell <evamitch@shaw.ca> Subject: [AUS-CON] GEORGE HALL - South Australia census after1877 To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Received: Wednesday, 4 March, 2009, 2:11 PM I wonder if someone who has access to the above census records would look for MY convict GEORGE HALL.   His Certificate of Freedom date is 19 Feb. 1868; Known areas Champion Bay. Comments state - "Shepherd, shoemaker.  To South Australia, 22 Mar 1877."  George's birthdate was 1840, England.  He was transported to Western Australia on the Lincelles which arrived in Freemantle 28 Jan 1862.  He was sentenced to 8 years penal servitude. Eva Mitchell, Vancouver, BC. Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

Thank you to Carol and Lyn for their prompt replies Lynne Hi Lynne, The Australian Joint Copying Project films have a section on convicts who were Court Martialled. There are 8 or 9 printed guides to using the AJCP and from my rather poor memory I think it was in Volume 8. The guide will give you the film number you need and then you can order the film through inter library loan from the National Library in Canberra. The Queensland State Library hold the guides and the films if you happen to be in Qld. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re George Morgan & William Morgan. Thankyou for your response. Lesley & Lyn. I do know there were many persons by these names who came to Australia. My grandfather had researched them back in the 1950's and his notes showed a reference to; George Morgan (came free) aged 15yrs ,Profession Brickmaker arrived Oct 1791 on the "Albemarle" the same ship that carried his prospective father-in-law the convict Edward Collins and his wife Elizabeth who gave birth to the daughter Ann Collins in the waters off Sydney hds. George and Ann were married ? 1806/7 ( no record found to date). Ann was 16yrs and George 30yrs ( they had 15 children) We do have copies of their death certs. ( Ancestry docs re Australian Convict Transportation 1791-1868 ref HO11/1 shows both William and George Morgan as convicts 7yrs terms 1796&1797 ship Albemarle) Also reference to both William and George on the QLD site. Further research showed a George Morgan convict arrived the Canada Dec 1801 also Brickmaker and it is this G. Morgan that has been accepted in the families history. My problem is that records pop up with reference to "William Morgan" and we haven't yet been able to find parents for the George Morgan's !!! Hence I am ever doubtful and still searching for answers. I have been researching for well over 30yrs myself and am currently helping with the updating of our Family's Story " A Colonial Brickmakers Family" . Any further help would be gratefully received . Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney.

I wonder if someone who has access to the above census records would look for MY convict GEORGE HALL. His Certificate of Freedom date is 19 Feb. 1868; Known areas Champion Bay. Comments state - "Shepherd, shoemaker. To South Australia, 22 Mar 1877." George's birthdate was 1840, England. He was transported to Western Australia on the Lincelles which arrived in Freemantle 28 Jan 1862. He was sentenced to 8 years penal servitude. Eva Mitchell, Vancouver, BC. Canada

Hi Lynne, The Australian Joint Copying Project films have a section on convicts who were Court Martialled. There are 8 or 9 printed guides to using the AJCP and from my rather poor memory I think it was in Volume 8. The guide will give you the film number you need and then you can order the film through inter library loan from the National Library in Canberra. The Queensland State Library hold the guides and the films if you happen to be in Qld. Carol

I would like to know where I can get the trial details of a convict called John TERRY. He came out on the Baring (2) in 1819. He was given a Court Martial at Chatham on the 15 Sept 1818 and sentenced to 14 years. Can SKS please point me in the right direction. He was given his Certificate of Freedom on 15 Apr 1833. Thanks Lynne