Hi Gerry Seems to be working fine for me here in England. Regards Russell ============================================================================ The link from http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austashs/convicts/con_main.htm seems to be broken. Does anyone know what happened to Jenny Fawcett's Index of Convicts? Best wishes, Gerry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00

Many thanks, Sue. Regards, Gerry -----Original Message----- From: Sue Olsen [mailto:sueolsensueolsen@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 14:27 To: gerry@kiltie.net; aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Genseek - List of Convicts Gerry, below is the link for Jenny's Indexes http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm Sue.

The link from http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austashs/convicts/con_main.htm seems to be broken. Does anyone know what happened to Jenny Fawcett's Index of Convicts? Best wishes, Gerry

Hi, Not entirely to do with Tasmanian convicts per se, but the question pertains to a family where both parents were sentenced to transportation to Hobart. On Tuesday evening 24 Sep 1832 Thomas Cook was arrested on charges of stealing and was sent to Newgate Prison. The following day, with " a man in possession with a distress-warrant for rent" standing at the door, Thomas' wife Mary was also arrested on unrelated charges and also sent to Newgate. On 16 Feb they both faced the Central Criminal Court and were sentenced to transportation: Thomas for life & Mary for 14 years. Mary was assigned to the Hydery which set sail from Plymouth on 11 Apr 1832. The couple had 5 children living at home at the time of the arrests and the 4 youngest, Elizabeth (Eliza) 16, Sarah 9, Thomas 14 & George 6 accompanied her on the voyage. The oldest son John aged 19 was left to fend for himself in England. His parents had made their living by selling coal off the back of a horse drawn cart but these were confiscated by the Parish, presumably after his parent's trials, leaving him with no means of support and I suspect, in view of the distress warrant, with no where to live. On 27th of February he was arrested for stealing tools and faced the Court on 5 April 1832. Found guilty he also received a sentence of transportation to Hobart. My question relates to the four children who accompanied Mary. Would they have been sent to Newgate with their mother prior to transportation? Does anyone know what the official procedure was in such situations? What was the status of children of felons? On arrival here what would have happened to the children? As Mary arrived while the assignment system was still in effect, would she have been able to keep any of her children with her? Would the older two have been put "into service" elsewhere? I think I've asked before about the Queens Orphanage, when I was just harbouring a suspicion the Mary "might" have brought the children with her but now I know for sure. Questions, question, questions. LOL! The more you discover about your convict ancestors, the more you want to know. :) Lyn in NSW

Lister I need help with a convict William Horne who arrived in 1830 on the Royal Admiral he married 07 Jan 1859 in Goulburn to a widow Lucy Mary 'Jane' Penny nee Lucas. Can you one provide information on him or his family please. Cheers Rhonda

Lyn You might find these pages of some interest. I found them by googling 'Newgate Prison Children'. It seems that it was not unusual for younger children to accompany their mothers to this dreadful prison. I expect whether they did or not would depend on the availability of others in the family to look after the children. I don't know what would have happened to children of women who were executed; they were probably sent to the workhouse if there was no one else to look after them. I found quite a lot of info on the work of the quaker Elizabeth Fry inside Newgate in the early years of the 19th century. Amongst other things, she established a school for the children of women prisoners. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A987861 http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/newgate.html Regards Rhoda in London, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilkinson Family" <gerryandlyn@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] what happened to the children? > Hi, > My question relates to the four children who accompanied Mary. Would they > have been sent to Newgate with their mother prior to transportation? Does > anyone know what the official procedure was in such situations? What was > the status of children of felons? > > :) Lyn in NSW

Hi All, Just in case anyone is interested, I have put up some information on the following two convicts: Thomas WOOTTON transported 1824 on Countess of Harcourt and Mary O'DONNELL transported 1836 on Sir Charles Forbes. The information can be found at: http://watsoncanet.webcon.net.au/convicts.html If anyone has any additional information to share, that would be most welcome. I am happy to share what I have. Cheers, Michelle PS. IF there is anyone who might have a transcription of the gravestone shown on the page, I'd be grateful to get a copy. I just can't quite read it!! Very frustrating. --------------------- Michelle Watson michelle@webcon.net.au Watson/Canet Family History - http://watsoncanet.webcon.net.au/ Researching: Watson, Canet, Harper, Whitley, Rann, Hamilton, O'Donnell, Wilkes, Freeman, Munro, Brown, Baker, Hughes, Davis, Sandilands

hi, I have the records of when John Punyer was sent to jail, his sentences and I am getting various depositions transcribed but where can I find the dates on which he was released from jail? Is it possible? I believe most of the records concerning where convicts were asigned have been lost but are there any at all that can be searched. Ted

Hello list A belated thankyou (have not been well) to those who answered my query regarding James Deverill, I will follow up perhaps with WAGS and see what else I can come up with. Thanks again Leanne

Hi Leanne, Have you tried the rootsweb list for Somerset - ENG-SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com they may be able to assist you. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Leanne Dowsett" <dldowsett@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [AUS-CON] DEVERELL James -Ship - Dudbrook > Hello List > > I have come across another convict that could perhaps be mine. He is > James > Deverell looking at the Fremantle Prison site he arrived 7 Feb 1853 and > obtained TOL same day, was that normal? He also had previous convictions. > > Could someone please let me know how I go about searching for his trial > this > time instead of the Azzises it is in the Quarter Sessions but I would like > to be able to search both but obviously am not clicking on the right > sites. > Trish sent me a wonderful newspaper article about my other convict George > Guttrey and I would certainly love to be able to find them myself is it by > subscription somewhere? > > Kind Regards > Leanne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List I have come across another convict that could perhaps be mine. He is James Deverell looking at the Fremantle Prison site he arrived 7 Feb 1853 and obtained TOL same day, was that normal? He also had previous convictions. Could someone please let me know how I go about searching for his trial this time instead of the Azzises it is in the Quarter Sessions but I would like to be able to search both but obviously am not clicking on the right sites. Trish sent me a wonderful newspaper article about my other convict George Guttrey and I would certainly love to be able to find them myself is it by subscription somewhere? Kind Regards Leanne

Hi trish thanks for this, on the list I said thanks to Trev by mistake. I looked at the email addres and not your signature, sorry. She married Henry Greenwood in Parramatta in 1847. I Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Alice McBRIDE > Hi Ted, > On the NSW State Archives, Alley McBRIDE arr 1840 "Margaret", remarks say > she is the wife of Henry GREENWOOD per "Surry" 1833. > The Mr PORTUS you referred to is probably Mr J. PORTUS of the Morpeth > Flour > Mill, there are many mentions of him in the newspapers on the NLA > Newspaper > website in the Maitland Mercury. > Cheers > Trish > Nowra NSW > >> I'm trying to add more information into the story of John Punyer. >> In November 1845 John Punyer in the company of Alice McBride were sold >> drinks on the sabbath by Mr John Mayo of the Hunter River Hotel at East >> Maitland. >> Both John and Alice were at the time convicts and they were passing >> themselves off as travellers and man and wife. The constables discovered >> them and they were taken to the lock-up. Mayo ws found not guilty due to >> conflicting evidence. >> John was at this time assigned to the police magistrate of East >> Maitland - >> where can I find out his name and details ? >> Alice McBride was assigned to a Mr Portus. (Does anybody have any >> information on Mr Portus)I haven't been able to find Alice through the >> convict indents. >> No Alice McBride appears in the births index although there is a marriage >> for Alice Mcbride to Henry Greenwood 1847, I don't know wether this is >> the >> same Alice. The marriage took place in St Johns Parramatta >> >> regards >> Ted > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4055 (20090506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Lesley, Estelle, Trev, thanks for all the info. At least one of my early 19th c ancestors has more than just BMD dates against him. Ted

Hi Ted, On the NSW State Archives, Alley McBRIDE arr 1840 "Margaret", remarks say she is the wife of Henry GREENWOOD per "Surry" 1833. The Mr PORTUS you referred to is probably Mr J. PORTUS of the Morpeth Flour Mill, there are many mentions of him in the newspapers on the NLA Newspaper website in the Maitland Mercury. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I'm trying to add more information into the story of John Punyer. > In November 1845 John Punyer in the company of Alice McBride were sold > drinks on the sabbath by Mr John Mayo of the Hunter River Hotel at East > Maitland. > Both John and Alice were at the time convicts and they were passing > themselves off as travellers and man and wife. The constables discovered > them and they were taken to the lock-up. Mayo ws found not guilty due to > conflicting evidence. > John was at this time assigned to the police magistrate of East Maitland - > where can I find out his name and details ? > Alice McBride was assigned to a Mr Portus. (Does anybody have any > information on Mr Portus)I haven't been able to find Alice through the > convict indents. > No Alice McBride appears in the births index although there is a marriage > for Alice Mcbride to Henry Greenwood 1847, I don't know wether this is the > same Alice. The marriage took place in St Johns Parramatta > > regards > Ted

Thanks Lesley, sounds like my girl. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-CON] Alice McBRIDE > Hi Ted > > Alley McBride ( Alice) arrived on 1840 on board the transport Margaret. > > According to my transcriptions she received TOL Number 47/939. > > According to the AGCI Vol 2 NSW Government Gazettes 1832 - 1863 CD she > absconded > in 1844 and 1846. > > Also according to my transcriptions she was granted permission to marry in > 1847 > and she was back in Parramatta at this time > > She was the only one by that name to arrive as a convict to my knowledge > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Ted & Magi > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:59 PM > To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-CON] Alice McBRIDE > > > I'm trying to add more information into the story of John Punyer. > In November 1845 John Punyer in the company of Alice McBride were sold > drinks on > the sabbath by Mr John Mayo of the Hunter River Hotel at East Maitland. > Both John and Alice were at the time convicts and they were passing > themselves > off as travellers and man and wife. The constables discovered them and > they were > taken to the lock-up. Mayo ws found not guilty due to conflicting > evidence. > John was at this time assigned to the police magistrate of East Maitland - > where > can I find out his name and details ? > Alice McBride was assigned to a Mr Portus. (Does anybody have any > information on > Mr Portus)I haven't been able to find Alice through the convict indents. > No Alice McBride appears in the births index although there is a marriage > for > Alice Mcbride to Henry Greenwood 1847, I don't know wether this is the > same > Alice. The marriage took place in St Johns Parramatta > > regards > Ted > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Hi Ted Alley McBride ( Alice) arrived on 1840 on board the transport Margaret. According to my transcriptions she received TOL Number 47/939. According to the AGCI Vol 2 NSW Government Gazettes 1832 - 1863 CD she absconded in 1844 and 1846. Also according to my transcriptions she was granted permission to marry in 1847 and she was back in Parramatta at this time She was the only one by that name to arrive as a convict to my knowledge Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Ted & Magi Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:59 PM To: AUS-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-CON] Alice McBRIDE I'm trying to add more information into the story of John Punyer. In November 1845 John Punyer in the company of Alice McBride were sold drinks on the sabbath by Mr John Mayo of the Hunter River Hotel at East Maitland. Both John and Alice were at the time convicts and they were passing themselves off as travellers and man and wife. The constables discovered them and they were taken to the lock-up. Mayo ws found not guilty due to conflicting evidence. John was at this time assigned to the police magistrate of East Maitland - where can I find out his name and details ? Alice McBride was assigned to a Mr Portus. (Does anybody have any information on Mr Portus)I haven't been able to find Alice through the convict indents. No Alice McBride appears in the births index although there is a marriage for Alice Mcbride to Henry Greenwood 1847, I don't know wether this is the same Alice. The marriage took place in St Johns Parramatta regards Ted

I'm trying to add more information into the story of John Punyer. In November 1845 John Punyer in the company of Alice McBride were sold drinks on the sabbath by Mr John Mayo of the Hunter River Hotel at East Maitland. Both John and Alice were at the time convicts and they were passing themselves off as travellers and man and wife. The constables discovered them and they were taken to the lock-up. Mayo ws found not guilty due to conflicting evidence. John was at this time assigned to the police magistrate of East Maitland - where can I find out his name and details ? Alice McBride was assigned to a Mr Portus. (Does anybody have any information on Mr Portus)I haven't been able to find Alice through the convict indents. No Alice McBride appears in the births index although there is a marriage for Alice Mcbride to Henry Greenwood 1847, I don't know wether this is the same Alice. The marriage took place in St Johns Parramatta regards Ted

Hi David, As far as I know nearly all convict ships came via Cape of Good Hope. Some of them crossed the Atlantic to South America and then recrossed it again to Capetown and picked up the prevailing roaring forties. I would be interested to know if any came via Cape Horn but think it most unlikely as the sailing would be very slow and dangerous and much further in terms of miles travelled. Carol

Convict Bonnets Project Hi all, Just a reminder of the ceremony in MELBOURNE (VIC AUS) this weekend Saturday 2nd MAY 2pm At the Church of St. Peter and St. Paul, South Melbourne. Located at the corner of Dorcas and Montague Streets Make a bonnet (in about 2 hours) and bring it along to the blessing and leave it with Christina to be part of the final display. I'm happy to email you the pattern Conceived by Christina Henri 'The aim of Christina's project is to commemorate convict woman, who until now have been shunned by society as a shame, someone to be hidden when in actual fact they were the backbone of modern Australian society. To represent the women Ms Henri is asking for 25,566 cloth bonnets to be made. A big ask, but already over 11'000 have been completed. When the full number of bonnets is received they will be displayed in Perspex boxes equalling the number of ships these women came to Australia on. The aim of this is to use the bonnets to empathise just how vast a number 25'000 women were.' More info visit Christina's web site http://www.christinahenri.com.au/ ' Date: 20 February, 2009 Please note that the 'BLESSING OF THE BONNETS' Service in South Melbourne, Victoria at St. Peter and Paul's Church will now be held on Saturday 2 May at 2.00 to allow for people working during the week to be able to attend. Parking will also be easier.' Cheers, Kaye