Hi All, ( this is a long one, so hang on) I've been trying to locate all my scattered sources and citations on old Thomas. Haven't found all of them yet, So, if some of you have anything to support or discredit my info. Please, do so (but, please cite your sources) First, of all Jane McBroom sent me a query that said she had two marriages for Thomas Ashby, of VA. One to an Elizabeth La Jeau and the other to Rose Berry. This is to help her and others that may have this wrong info. These are two DIFFERENT Thomas Ashbys. PROOF: The first citation is from a book, but I have also looked at the microfilm of the original documents and the book is correct, in this case. <G> Agnes Leland Baldwin: FIRST SETTLERS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1670-1700 Pg. 6 " JOHN ASHBY, Sr., (Gentleman, Cacique, Merchant) Arrived before 17 November 1680 from London, England. Daughters Theodosia and Jemima, brother William, wife Elizabeth Thorowgood, son John Ashby, Jr. Returned to Dondon by 1693. Sources: A; B:30, 312,341; D: 138; E:6; L; M3; N; R:Map; S:140, 156,178; U:5;V ( I will list these sources at the bottom of the post) JOHN ASHBY, Jr. 9Mr.) Arrived (or became of age) before 17 Jan. 1696. His wife was Constasntia; children John and Thomas. Ashby was a member of the Commons House of Assembly Sources: A; l; m3; s: 156, 178 Charleston Free Library:INDEX TO WILLS OF CHARLESTON CO., SC, 1671-1868 pg. 7 ASHBY/ASHBEY, JOHN - Vol. 2 (1727-1729), pg. 101 ASHBY, ANTHONY - Vol. 20 (1783-1786), pg. 407 ASHBY, JAMES A. - Vol. 44 (1845-1851), pg. 66 ASHBY, JOHN - Vol. 8 (1757-1760), pg. 164 ASHBY, MAGDALENE - Vol. 28 (1800--1807), pg. 150 ASHBY, THOMAS - Vol. 6 (1752-1756, pg. 225(THIS IS THOMAS WHO DIED 1750) ASHBY, THOMAS - Vol. 7 (1752-1756), pg. 225 ASHBY, THOMAS - Vol. 29 (1800-1807), pg. 584 Don't know who these last two Thomas' are. But, we know our Thomas died in VA, so it can't be he. One of them MAY be the husband of the Magdalene, listed above. NEXT ! This from Ann Schulz in TX: Just wanted to update you on the Ashby info. Thomas Ashby who was married to Eliz. LeJeau in SC (parish records) DIED IN SC 1750 - WILL BK 6 St. Thomas Parish, Berkley Co., SC). THE VA THOMAS DIED IN 1752 I think this will eliminate Eliz LeJeau & Thomas Ashby from SC as being a part of the Va. Ashby family. So, here it is. These Thomas Ashbys' are not the same man. There probably is some connection back in England. But, who knows? I hope this will clear up the confusion and speading of misinformation. The other point I want to make it this. There has never been any PROOF of Rose, the wife of Thomas, being a BERRY. That is conjecture, because of his mention in his will of "cousins" Ruebin and Elizabeth? BERRY. Now, there was a lot of casual uses of the term 'cousin' in the colonial time period (probably because there was so much intermarriage that is was true <VBG>) However, if they were 'true' cousins, the Berrys would have been Thomas' Aunt or Uncles' children. If they weren't cousins, in the true meaning, today. Then they could have been merely good friends. So, unless someone has some definite proof ( would really love to see it), then we can't say Rose was a Berry. I put it in my gen. programs with an asterisk beside the name, to show, that it is not proven. NOW, after having been so negative, let me post some positive. There are many Ashby's in the Bermuda, Antiqua, Bahama, etc. records, during the colonial period. I have high hopes that someday, we can make the connection. So, many of the VA planters, did come to VA from these islands. So, don't give up. There are more and more records being extracted and opened up for us. Just a few years ago. there was a whole book of marriages found for a county in AL. that had been ekpt for a generation or longer in a person's home. My family's marriages were in it. Support Rootsweb, with you time and donations, (since it is volunteer) and perhaps, someone will find our proof. Oh, here are the sources for the Baldwin book (Please excuse the abbrev. for the publishers, trying to save space) A. A.S. Salley, Jr. and R. Nicholas Olsberg, WARRENTS FOR LAND IN SOUTH CAROLINA, 1672-1711 (U. OF SC PRESS, Columbia, SC, 1973 B. SECRETARY OF THE PROVINCE, ABSTRACTS OF GRANTS AND COMMISSIONS OF THE LORDS PROPRIETORS, 1692-1718, SC DEPT. OF ARCH. AND HIST. D. South Carolina Archives, Columbia, RECORDS OF THE REGISTER AND OF THE SECRETARY OF THE PROVINCE, VOL. 2, G. IN GREENS INDEX, 1675-1695, 1703-1709 E. REGISTER OF THE PROVINCE, CONVEYANCES, VOL. A, 1682-1690, SC Dept. of Arch. and Hist. L. Moore, Caroline T., ABSTRACTS OF RECORDS OF SECRETARY OF THE PROVINCE, 1692-1721 M. RECORDS IN THE BRITISH PUBLIC RECORDS OFFICE RELATING TO SOUTH CAROLINA, VOL. I, 1663-1684, VOL. II, 1685-1690. VOL. III, 1691-1697, VOL. IV, 1698-1700. Copies by W. Noel Sainsbury, London, Foote and Davies Co., Atlanta, GA, 1928 N. ABSTRACTS OF RECORDS OF ALL GRANTS OF LAND MADE IN THIS PROVINCE, 1674-1675, CO 5/398, British Public Record Office, London. Microfilm copy S.C. Hist. Soc. R. REGISTER OF THE PROVINCE, 1694-1707, SC Dept. of Arch.and Hist. S. Stewart, John. LETTERS TO REVEREND WILLIAM DUNLOP, from Watbu in Carolina, 27 April 1690, 23 June 1690, from Virginia, 20 Otober 1693. SC Hist. Mag., Vol. 32 U. RECORDS OF THE REGISTER OF THE PROVINCE, 1696-1703, VOL. D, SC Dept. of Arch. and ist. V. Clute, Robert F., Editor. THE ANNALS AND PARISH REGISTER OF ST. THOMAS AND ST. DENNIS PARISH IN SOUTH CAROLINA FROM 1680 TO 1884. Reprinted, Gen. Pub. Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1974