Hi Dianna! It's probably easiest to approach from western Prairie Grove on Viney Grove Road. Viney Grove road runs north from Prairie Grove and then turns to head directly west about half a mile to the Viney Grove Methodist Church where the road turns back to the north again. The cemetery is supposed to be in a field about a quarter of a mile west of the church. I use the term 'supposed to be' because when I looked for it by driving out the gravel road running west from the church, I never did see the cemetery and I was reluctant to start going though people's gates or yards looking for it.. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: [email protected] Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: Dianna [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2003 21:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [ARWASHIN] Viney Grove Could someone tell me where is Viney Grove Cemetery is located at,? I heard it is in Washington Co. Ar, but where?? Dianna ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Washington Co., AR list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest list to [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Viney Grove is located 1 mile north of Prairie Grove in Washington County. Prairie Grove is located about 9 miles southwest of Fayetteville. I am very familar with the area and the people. I have lived in Prairie Grove all my life. Doug Bartholomew -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Sunday, April 20, 2003 09:46:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ARWASHIN] Viney Grove Could someone tell me where is Viney Grove Cemetery is located at,? I heard it is in Washington Co. Ar, but where?? Dianna ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Washington Co., AR list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest list to [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Could someone tell me where is Viney Grove Cemetery is located at,? I heard it is in Washington Co. Ar, but where?? Dianna

I am trying to research my ancestors that happened to be in Washington Co. Ar. and I am having a lot of problems in doing so, my gr-grandfather was Benjamin J Kirkpatrick which was born Dec 27 1844 Ohio and Mary A. Triplett /Pryor / Kirkpatrick, I know that my grandmother, Mary C. was just born in Ar. which was in 1898 and Clayton which was her brother born in 1895 I think they went to school in the early 1900's is there any way that I can find school records and is there any way I can find my Benjamin's death, he was 72/73 in 1910 , I would appreciate any help in this family, I also know that Sidney born abt 1903 Ar, which I think is also in Wa. Co. Ar. Please Help Dianna

On Most list this type of email would not be permitted. And is the reason some drop out of those lists that allow this type of email to be posted to the list. As far as I know Benedict Arnold was never in Washington Co., Arkansas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W. King" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: [ARWASHIN] Beloved in the hearts of his soldiers ... > Hi folks! > > I just ran across something that proves Americans know how to hate, but we > try to be fair about the matter. I'm sure that as school children you all > heard of Benedict Arnold who traitorously went over to the British during > the Revolutionary War. What many of you may not remember or were never > taught was that Arnold was perhaps the most brilliant American general of > the war and was almost single-handedly responsible for the creation of the > first US Navy, the naval victories on Lake Champlain and the victory at > Saratoga, New York. At Saratoga, Arnold was wounded in the leg. But he was > then snubbed by the Continental Congress, denied promotion and treated > rather shabbily - being relegated to the command at West Point on the Hudson > rather than being given a more active field command. At that point, he went > over to the British. > > Many years later, when the Saratoga Battlefield Park was created, they > wanted to honor his contributions to the battle and the American Revolution, > but not honor him personally. So on the obelisk of the battlefield monument > is a statue ... of Arnold's wounded leg! > > > -- > Robert W. King > I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! > SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 > BellNet: 479-634-2086 > InterNet: [email protected] > Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net > > > > ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Washington Co., AR list, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you > are on the Digest list to [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On the lists I take care of these kind of problem are taken care of behind the scenes and the members know that all they have to do is delete the messages. Responding to the off topic messages on the list just continues the problem for you and for me. Kathleen Burnett List Mom John wrote: > On Most list this type of email would not be permitted. And is the reason > some drop out of those lists that allow this type of email to be posted to > the list. As far as I know Benedict Arnold was never in Washington Co., > Arkansas. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert W. King" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 3:04 PM > Subject: [ARWASHIN] Beloved in the hearts of his soldiers ... > > > Hi folks! > > > > I just ran across something that proves Americans know how to hate, but we > > try to be fair about the matter. I'm sure that as school children you all > > heard of Benedict Arnold who traitorously went over to the British during > > the Revolutionary War. What many of you may not remember or were never > > taught was that Arnold was perhaps the most brilliant American general of > > the war and was almost single-handedly responsible for the creation of the > > first US Navy, the naval victories on Lake Champlain and the victory at > > Saratoga, New York. At Saratoga, Arnold was wounded in the leg. But he was > > then snubbed by the Continental Congress, denied promotion and treated > > rather shabbily - being relegated to the command at West Point on the > Hudson > > rather than being given a more active field command. At that point, he > went > > over to the British. > > > > Many years later, when the Saratoga Battlefield Park was created, they > > wanted to honor his contributions to the battle and the American > Revolution, > > but not honor him personally. So on the obelisk of the battlefield > monument > > is a statue ... of Arnold's wounded leg! > > > > > > -- > > Robert W. King > > I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! > > SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 > > BellNet: 479-634-2086 > > InterNet: [email protected] > > Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net > > > > > > > > ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Washington Co., AR list, send > > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you > > are on the Digest list to [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, > chain letters, political announcements, current > events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi folks! I just ran across something that proves Americans know how to hate, but we try to be fair about the matter. I'm sure that as school children you all heard of Benedict Arnold who traitorously went over to the British during the Revolutionary War. What many of you may not remember or were never taught was that Arnold was perhaps the most brilliant American general of the war and was almost single-handedly responsible for the creation of the first US Navy, the naval victories on Lake Champlain and the victory at Saratoga, New York. At Saratoga, Arnold was wounded in the leg. But he was then snubbed by the Continental Congress, denied promotion and treated rather shabbily - being relegated to the command at West Point on the Hudson rather than being given a more active field command. At that point, he went over to the British. Many years later, when the Saratoga Battlefield Park was created, they wanted to honor his contributions to the battle and the American Revolution, but not honor him personally. So on the obelisk of the battlefield monument is a statue ... of Arnold's wounded leg! -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: [email protected] Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net

ROBINSON FAMILY REUNION Descendents of William Harvey Robinson and Lucinda Colbert Carlton Robinson May 17, 2003 10:00 AM until 4:30 PM White Rock Pentecostal Church of God 6560 Wedington Highway 16 West Fayetteville, Arkansas Church Phone No. 479-443-2233 Covered Dish Pot Luck Dinner Will Be Served If Additional Information is needed Contact: Eual McCarty 479-756-6586 Rev H.M. Shipp 479-267-2130 Olan Watkins 817-292-2346 or [email protected] Please Bring with you or Send to Blanche McCarty 1303 Crawford, Springdale, AR 72764-3112 Five or Six of your Favorite Family Recipes to be included in a Family Cookbook.

This will be the 8th annual Cincinnati, Arkansas Reunion held at the Methodist Church grounds. Time is 1pm to 4 pm Please bring a lawn chair and be prepared to have a good time visiting with former residents, neighbors and classmates. For more information Contact: John Randolph of Cincinnati at 479-824-3483 or Glenita Randolph Guthrie at 918-723-5121. This event will take place Saturday, May 24, 2003 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more

Dear List Members, I adopted the Orphan-Trains mailing list this evening and wanted to invite you to join if you have an interest in the history of the Orphan Trains which carried thousands of children to their new homes and families in many states from the 1850's to 1930, including Arkansas If you would like to subscribe, send only the word SUBSCRIBE to [email protected] Kathleen Burnett List Mom

Looking for information on George A Riley and his descendants: He took out a land patent in Fayetteville, Washington Co, Arkansas in 1860. The 1860 census shows him living in Fayetteville with his wife and children: George Riley, age 45, carpenter, b, KY ---Jane, age 45, b. Indiana --Harriett, age 11, b. Iowa --Eliza, 4, b. Arkansas --William, 3, b. Arkansas Hugh Boswell, age 40, carpenter, pers prop = 50, b Tenn. --Louisa, 21, b. Indiana (also a daughter of George A Riley) --James, 1, b. Arkansas George Riley's wife was Emily Jane Lee, and his daughter Harriet marriied first a Lee, and then Samuel Osborne. I would appreciate any information available. Thanks, Karen

I recently recieved a box of old newspaper articles from Springdale news for the centinal in 1979. If you are looking for a picture of a building in Springdale let me know as I may have a newspaper article for you. [email protected]

Digging through some old papers that belonged to my mother, I came across some old records of church membership of a church in Madison County for the year 1920. The membership list is attached to see if you find any names that you might know. Olan Watkins Membership Records for the United Mt. Zion Baptist Church Located near St. Paul, Madison County, Arkansas June 1920 Membership -------------- Robert Jones Ellen Jones D.W. Jones Mary Jones J.R. Jones Lizzie Jones James Gregory Malinda Gregory Eliza Gregory Sina Cobb Millie Jones Lucy Jones Elmer Carlton Mary Carlton Lucy Gregory Hetta Saylor Cora Kilgore Hetta Jones Pearl Jones Eli Morris Kate Morris Rose Marris Ida Jones Ethel Witter Sarah Jones Eliza Watkins Susan Watkins America Meyers Nannie Abner Julia Abner Maggie Robinson Lola Bivens George Kilgore W.H. Robinson Pearl Robinson Lucy Baker Emily Watkins Ira Jones Phenya Jones Bertha Hooper Alonza Ledford - Preacher Maggie Robinson - Clerk

Hi folks! Demographers have studied the phenomenon by which people round off their age in the census enumeration to 5 and 10 year intervals. The tendency to round off is related to age, education and gender among other things: Older people round off more (thus the graphed age distribution looks increasingly peaked (heaped)); less educated people round off more; both men and women round off, but men round upward, to seem older, and women round downward, to appear younger. The point of the foregoing is to suggest why you might want to take the age of some ancestor told the census-taker with a few grains of salt. Grandma or Grandpa might have been fibbing a little. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: [email protected] Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net

Hi Folks! If we're lucky, our genealogical research will be aided by turning up photos of our ancestors. However dating those photos can frequently be a problem. Here is some quick guide that can help. It comes from my email archives of 9 Nov 1988. PHOTOGRAPHY AS A TOOL IN GENEALOGY text by Ron and Maureen Willis, Willis Photo Lab 2510 Old Middlefield Rd. Mountain View, CA 94043 / (415) 969-3555 retyped by Ted Swift ([email protected]) Knowledge of photographic techniques is an important tool in genealogical research. Each step in the evolution of photography (with some overlapping) was predominant for only a short span of time. By determining the type of photographic technique used to make your old family photos, it is possible to date with reasonable accuracy when the originals were created. I. DAGUERREOTYPE (1839 - 1870, approx.) A. The case resembled a double frame. Very decorative. The photo image is on a silver clad copper sheet which is attached to a sheet of glass by a foil-like brass decorative frame. This sealed packet was then force-fit into a special wood case and was often padded with velvet or silk. B. Many times, the silver image tarnishes with silver sulfide in the same way as silverware. C. The cost: $5.00 (more than a weeks pay for most people). II. CALOTYPE (1845 - 1855, approx.). The first photographs on paper. A two-step process where the first step was to make a negative image on a light-sensitive paper. Step two was to make a contact [print] with a second sheet of sensitized paper to make a positive print. Calotypes were never widely popular, and most of those surviving are in museums. Apparently Talbot (the inventor) did not fully realize the importance of washing his prints long enough to remove all the residual chemicals, or perhaps his fixing was inadequate. Either fault leads to the same result of fading image, discoloration, etc. These defects are now noticeable in many calotypes, some of which are today little more than pale yellow ghosts. III. AMBROTYPE (1854 to the end of the Civil War) A. The ambrotype is a thin negative image on glass made to appear as a positive by showing it against a black background. B. Similar to daguerreotype in assembly of parts: 1. Outer protective case 2. Backing of black paper, cloth, or metal 3. The on-glass-image, emulsion to the front and black varnish on the back. 4. Brass die cut frame 5. Gilt border of thin brass to edge wrap the frame, glass, and backing. C. It was common for the ambrotype to be colored. Suggestions of rouge cheeks or lips suggested a person of substance. Buttons, watch chains, pendants, broaches were often tinted with color. D. Disadvantages of ambrotypes: 1. A very slow (up to 20 sec.) exposure, compared to 2 sec. for a daguerreotype. 2. The glass was very fragile. It couldn't withstand travel or being carried in a locket as a daguerreotype could. E. Advantage of the Ambrotypes: Price. It could be sold profitably at a low price, approx. 25 cents. The cost of the ambrotype was less than half of the daguerreotype. IV. THE TINTYPE (1856 to WWII) "The penny picture that elected a president". A. Price- sold for a penny or less, making photography universally available. The average price from the inception of the process in 1856 until its fade-out was 10 cents to 25 cents for an image about the size of a playing card. B. Advantages: 1. Lighter and less costly to manufacture. 2. Camera was lighter and easier to handle. 3. Wouldn't shatter as a glass image photo would. 4. Could be colored or tinted. As the public sought lower prices, the cases (which cost more than the finished photographs) were eliminated. In their place, paper folders of the size of the then popular card photographs were used for protection. Instead of a glass cover, the photographer covered the tintype with a quick varnish to protect any tints or colors added to cheeks, lips, jewelry or buttons. C. Popularity: The tintype was very popular during the Civil War because every soldier wanted to send a picture of himself with his rifle and sword home. They could be mailed home safely without fear of shattering. D. The tintype actually does not contain any tin, but is made of thin black iron. It is sometimes confused with ambrotypes and daguerreotypes, but is easily distinguishable from them by the fact that a tintype attracts a small magnet. DATING THE TINTYPES _Introduction_ 1856 - 1860. The earliest tintypes were on heavy metal (0.017 inches thick) that was never again used. [? -tjs] They are stamped "Neff's Melainotype Pat 19 Feb 56" along one edge. Many are found in gilt frames or in the leather or plastic (thermomolded) cases of the earliest ambrotypes. Size range from one-sixth plate to full plate. _Civil War Period_ 1861 - 1865. Tintypes of this time are primarily one-sixth and one-fourth plate and are often datable by the Potter's Patent paper holders, adorned with patriotic stars and emblems, that were introduced during the period. After 1863 the paper holders were embossed rather than printed. Uncased tintypes have been found with cancelled tax stamps adhered to the backs. The stamps date these photographs to the period of the wartime retail tax, 1 Sept 1864 to 1 Aug 1866. _Brown Period_ 1870 - 1885. In 1870 the Phenix (sic.) Plate Co. began making plates with a chocolate-tinted surface. They "created a sensation among the photographers throughout the country, and the pictures made on the chocolate-tinted surface soon became the rage". During this period "rustic" photography also made its debut with its painted backgrounds, fake stones, wood fences and rural props. Neither the chocolate tint nor the rustic look are to be found in pre-1870 tintypes. _Gem Period_ 1863 - 1890. Tiny portraits, 7/8 by 1 inch, or about the size of a small postage stamp, became available with the invention of the Wing multiplying cameras. They were popularized under the trade name Gem and the Gem Galleries offered the tiny likenesses at what proved to be the lowest prices in studio history. Gem Galleries flourished until about 1890, at which time the invention of roll film and family cameras made possible larger images at modest cost. It was no longer necessary to visit a studio that specialized in the tiny likenesses. Gem portraits were commonly stored in special albums with provision for a single portrait per page. Slightly larger versions also existed. Some Gems were cut to fit lockets, cufflinks, tiepins, rings and even garter clasps. _Carnival Period_ 1875 - 1930. Itinerant photographers frequently brought the tintype to public gatherings, such as fairs and carnivals. They came equipped with painted backdrops of Niagara Falls, beach, boat, and other novelty props for comic portraits. _Postmortems_. In the nineteenth century it was common to request a photographer to make a deathbed portrait of a loved one. V. THE CABINET CARD (approx. 1866 - 1906). A card stock product, nearly four times the size of previous photographs on card stock. A. The larger size created new problems of photographic quality. Flaws that were not obvious in the smaller cards now became very visible. This gave rise to a new skill of photo retoucher. B. Success in retouching led to innovations in the darkroom and at the camera. Diffusion of the image reduced the need for retouching. This led to verbal skirmishes between photographers who insisted in "truth in photography". Opponents called retouching degenerating, demoralizing, and untruthful practices. C. Cabinet cards can be further dated by color of stock, borders, corners and size. QUICK DATING GUIDE TO CABINET CARDS The earliest American-made cabinet cards have been dated only to the post- Civil War period, beginning in 1866. Design and colors of these cards followed those of the cartes of that time. Cabinet cards are rarely found after 1906. ---------- Card Colors: 1866 - 1880 White card stock of a light weight 1880 - 1890 Different colors for face and back of mounts 1882 - 1888 Face of buff, matte-finished, with a back of creamy-yellow, glossy. ---------- Borders: 1866 - 1880 Red or gold rules, single and double lines 1884 - 1885 Wide gold borders 1885 - 1892 Gold beveled edges 1889 - 1896 Rounded corner rule of single line 1890 - 1892 Metallic green or gold impressed border 1896 Impressed outer border, without color. ---------- Corners: 1866 - 1880 Square, lightweight mount 1880 - 1890 Square, heavy board with scalloped sides. -Photographs mounted on card stock- The most popular mount sizes were: Carte-de-visite 4 1/4" x 2 1/2" Cabinet card 6 1/2" x 4 1/2" Victoria 5" x 3 1/4" Promenade 7" x 4" Boudoir 8 1/2" x 5 1/4" Imperial 9 7/8" x 6 7/8" Panel 8 1/4" x 4" Stereograph 3" x 7" ----------- REVENUE STAMPS ARE A TOOL FOR DATING PHOTOGRAPHS As part of the effort by the Congress to fund the Civil War, among a number of taxes levied was an 1864 Act which provided that sellers of photographs affix stamps at the time of sale to "photographs, ambrotypes, daguerreotypes, or any sun pictures", according to the following schedule, exempting photographs too small for the stamp to be affixed: Less than 25 cents 2 cents stamps (blue/orange) 25 to 50 cents 3 cents stamps (green) 50 cents to $1 5 cents stamps (red) More than $1 5 cents for each additional dollar or fraction thereof. Stamps were applied from 1 Aug 1864 to 1 Aug 1866. Blue "playing card stamps are known to have been used in the summer of 1866 as other stamps were unavailable as the levy came to an end. The stamp was to be canceled in the original Act by requiring that the seller cancel the stamp by initializing and dating it in ink. The most rare of all of these stamps is the one cent (red) "playing cards" and the most common is the orange two cent "playing cards". Values for all of these stamps appear in the Scott's Specialized Catalog of United States Stamps. VI. THE STEREOGRAPH (1849 - 1925). "Parlor Travel" both educational and entertaining. A. The stereograph is an almost identical side-by-side set of images of a single scene, viewed simultaneously through an optical device held to the eyes like a pair of binoculars. Each eye looks at a slightly different image, and the fusion of the two images in the mind creates the illusion of depth. B. Price: a few pennies. C. Sizes of stereo cards and slides: The typical mass manufactured stereo card of the period between the Civil War and WW I had a standard dimension: 3 1/2" x 7". This is the size commonly found in boxed sets. The earliest of these cards were made on slightly curved mounts; later cards were made on slightly curved mounts that permitted greater clarity when they were seen in the stereopticon viewer. A number of photographers, working with larger field cameras, created slightly larger cards of 4" x 7", 4 3/8" x 7" and 4 1/2" x 7". Until about 1873 the smaller sizes were sold for twenty five cents per card and the larger "artistic" size for fifty cents. Within a decade sets of twenty or more were made on printing presses, not by a hand photo- graphic process. The on-glass slides, a stereo form more popular in Europe than in America, were available in two standard sizes, 45 x 107 mm and 6 x 13 cm. Both were smaller than the standard card stereographs. VII. THE WET-PLATE PRINT (c.1853 - 1902). "The photograph that opened the West". (A large contact print). A. To identify the wet-plate negative, look for an uneven coating were the syrupy collodion base of the glass plate did not flow to the very edges of the glass. Many of the plate edges reveal torn or rippled emulsion and even the fingerprints of the darkroom technician who handled it with wet fingers. Only occasionally is it possible to determine whether a print was made from a wet-plate negative, especially if the outer edge of the print has been trimmed away. It is the edge that would immediately reveal the irregularities of the collodion coating prepared in the field. B. Few Americans could afford the cost of a studio enlargement made with a solar enlarger. The technique of making such enlargements were so complicated that few photographers had the proper skill to make an enlargement from a standard studio negative. Much of the demand for larger photographs could be satisfied by making larger negatives and larger cameras to handle them. Wet plate negatives were often 11" x 14" up to 20" x 24" sheets of sensitized glass. C. Wet-plate photographers helped to open the American West by taking their cameras out of the studio and on location assignment with the survey teams of the U.S. Government and the railroads in the Far West, and with the geological expeditions moving into the unmapped wilderness beyond the Rocky Mountains. The giant spaces they discovered demanded giant cameras. The camera that documented the famous meeting at Promontory Point, Utah of the tracks of the Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads on 10 May 1869 was built to accommodate glass plates 10" x 13". The camera boated down the Colorado River during the Powell Expedition into the Grand Canyon was 11" x 14". The work of these photographers, shown in major exhibitions in Washington D.C., is generally acknowledged to have been instrumental in convincing Congress to enact legislation establishing many of the major national parks, monuments, and preserves. The maps of the surveys showed where everything was; the wet-plate photographers showed precisely what was there. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: [email protected] Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net

Can anyone provide me with information to help me locate the cememetry mention in here "...Sarah Kelly's stone says, "erected by M. L. Kelly: died July 27, 1890: md. 28 Feb 1837, b. @1817; wife of Joshua Calvin Ellis." M. L. Kelly was Marcus Kelly son of Sarah's brother Jesse Kelly. He did a lot of stones in Benton, Washington, and Madison Counties." This was in a letter from a genealogist who is former resident of Madison county, who could not recall which cemetery. Sarah (KELLY) Ellis' husband Joshua is buried in Whitner Vaughn Cemetery. Her father, Hiram KELLY, brother, Joseph KELLY, and some grandchildren are buried in Austin Cemetery. I have not found a grave stone for her in either of those cemeteries. The family homestead was near Colbaugh. Her son James ELLIS and his wife, Nancy E, are buried in the Colbaugh Cemetery. Another son Hiram K. ELLIS and his wife, Sarah, are buried in the Hindsville Cemetery. At least one grandson is buried in the Huntsville Cemetery. Her brother, Dr. Jesse KELLY is buried in Washington County's Goshen Cemetery. This is the only information I have found indicating Sarah's death date. Her estate was not settled until after 1900. The county record books for the year the property was sold have not been filmed by the LDS church, so I cannot check those until I can make a trip to Arkansas. Thank you for any information you can provide. Jonelle Ellis Russell Santa Rosa, CA email: [email protected]

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[email protected] (email address) http://www.fayettevillelibrary.org (web page) Hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: [ARWASHIN] email address needed/Fayetteville Gen. Library > Could someone please send me the email address of the Fayetteville > Genealogy Library? I have tried two different ones and both have come > back. > Thank you, > Diane Biggar-Taylor > > > ==== ARWASHIN Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Washington Co., AR list, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you > are on the Digest list to [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Folks! Richard Pence is a well known genealogist who has instructed many a beginner and experts as well on the ins and outs of genealogical research. His reply to a question about finding American Indian ancestry is worth reading on several levels. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: [email protected] Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Pence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [GM] Re: finding Indian blood before 1880 "Dena" <[email protected]> wrote: > Any help on determining a half or full Indian on census or was that > unheard of? Any other clues to finding an Indian before 1880? > Would have to be possibly in 1850s 1860s generations. gggrp. > dena > (I KNOW there was one there somewhere in our family, but can't find > them ANYWHERE!!!!) Dena: If you can't find "them" ANYWHERE, how do you KNOW "there was one there somewhere"? Aside from "the three brothers" and "the name was changed at Ellis Island," the most commonly believed (and rarely true) family tradition in American genealogy is the one about Indian (aka "Native American") ancestry. Like most other genealogical puzzles, the solution likely lies in carefully tracing each generation back. If you then encounter a person whose background might lead you to believe the person could be an Indian, then this is the time and the place to try to determine the details. Starting out by looking for (to put the quest as it is most commonly expressed terms) the "Cherokee princess" is almost certain to leave your genealogical vehicle spinning its wheels. If you are asking if there are census records which state that persons were "Indian," the answer is yes. If you asking if all of them who were full or part Indian are so recorded, the answer is no. Even if the answer were yes, this wouldn't provide you with any shortcuts - you still will want to check the census records for each family in your tree. In the final analysis, that is probably the only way you will be able to answer your question. Somewhere in the archives of this newsgroup I believe there are a number of discussions about Native American family traditions as well as some of the other commonly believed - but seldom true - ones. The essence of these discussions is that it is usually a losing strategy in genealogy to set out trying to prove your are related to some specific person - be he or she rich, famous, an Indian or a horse thief. There are simply too many blind alleys in this approach. Having preached that sermon, I have no doubt you will disregard most of it because you KNOW what you know. Worse, if your belief turns out not to be true, it will be my fault! That's what happened to me a couple of years ago when I proved with a stack of documents that a certain lady's "full-blooded Osage Indian" great grandmother was a nice German girl born in Indiana far in both distance and time from any Osage Indians. Her response was, "Why are you trying to destroy my heritage?" Beats me. What I thought I was doing was supplying the facts. <g> Regards, Richard Pence Fairfax, Virginia "Richard A. Pence" <[email protected]>