John Shipman is enumerated in the 1850 Census, Tennessee, Carroll, Dist. 15. His first wife is not listed, I believe that was Sarah Moore b. ca. 2 Feb 1808 TN, died 19 Sep 1845 Westport, Carroll, TN. In this same 1850 Census John R's oldest son Elijah M. Shipman is also listed in Carroll Co. Dist 15, Elijah 24 TN, Abigail 18 TN, and daughter Sarah 2 TN. The other six children of John R. and Sarah Moore are at home with John R., they are: Elizabeth, Nancy, Charlotte, Elisha, Martha and Sarah. I have not located John R.'s family for the 1860 Census, I believe that he died 24 Dec 1859 in Westport, Carroll, Tennessee. I have some notes, no proof, that he may have married Elizabeth Redman? and as well the Susannah earlier discussed. I don't know if Susannah was a Holt or a Cypert, but a brother of his married a Cypert. Did John R. have additional children with a second and or third wife, where was the family enumerated in 1860. John's brother Isaac is in Campbell, Searcy AR for 1860, he is without wife, appears that Malinda Cypert his first wife has passed and he has the house full of children before he married Elizabeth Brown and had more children. John's brother William F. "W.S." is also in Searcy county for 1860, he lives in Bear Creek. He has wife Mary from SC and six children. John's brother James Erwin Shipman had come to Searcy county and was enumerated there in 1850 at Campbell. I think he was married to Nancy Holt, Ann Gray and Mary Katherine Hollabaugh? John's brother Matthew was enumerated in Searcy Co. in 1860 Census living on Bear Creek. He was married to Tritheny, had three children Mary, Rachel and Rebecca the oldest 8 years old born in AR. I believe John R's father Jacob and wife Nancy Denton Shipman both died in Tennessee? Don Ott

Don let me help you get these John Shipman's straitened out if I can. I am going to make you notes in your email in Green, so please scroll down and thank you for your reply first of all this John Shipman (census below) husband of Susannah, is the son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman, not Jacob and Nancy Denton Shipman. Here is his census data. He is listed each year with children. I am not certain, but I don't think he ever was in the census as John R. Shipman. Hope this helps. 1850 Census of Wayne Co., TN 5th Civ Dist Page 322B 39 765 775 SHIPMAN, John 35 M Farmer TN Susannah 32 F TN 1860 Census of Searcy County, ARK Locust Grove Twsp . 6-624-621 SHIPMAN, John 44 M Farmer 500 TN Susan 44 F ILL 1880 Census Independence Co ARK White River Twsp Page 23/186 15Jun1880 203-207 SHIPMAN, John WM 63 Widow TN NC VA Scroll down to your email for comments in green. Janie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <dott@centurytel.net> To: <ARSEARCY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: [ARSEARCY] John R. Shipman > John Shipman is enumerated in the 1850 Census, Tennessee, Carroll, > Dist. 15. His first wife is not listed, I believe that was Sarah > Moore b. ca. 2 Feb 1808 TN, died 19 Sep 1845 Westport, Carroll, > TN. In this same 1850 Census John R's oldest son Elijah M. Shipman > is also listed in Carroll Co. Dist 15, Elijah 24 TN, Abigail 18 TN, > and daughter Sarah 2 TN. The other six children of John R. and Sarah > Moore are at home with John R., they are: Elizabeth, Nancy, > Charlotte, Elisha, Martha and Sarah. (This is a different John Shipman, I believe he is the son of Jacob and Nancy Denton Shipman, he is not the husband of Susannah or the brother to my Isaac Shipman both of John and Isaac were sons of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman) > I have not located John R.'s family for the 1860 Census, I believe > that he died 24 Dec 1859 in Westport, Carroll, Tennessee. > I have some notes, no proof, that he may have married Elizabeth > Redman? and as well the Susannah earlier discussed (diffirent John, Susannah was John's first wife) I don't know if > Susannah was a Holt or a Cypert, but a brother of his (Isaac) married a Cypert.( brother to John son of Jacob and Rebecca, not John R. Shipman son of Jacob and Nancy Denton Shipman) > Did John R. have additional children with a second and or third > wife, where was the family enumerated in 1860. > John's brother Isaac is in Campbell, Searcy AR for 1860, he is > without wife, appears that Malinda Cypert his first wife has passed > and he has the house full of children before he married Elizabeth > Brown and had more children. (This Isaac is the son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman and is the brother to John in the census above not John R. Shipman you have) > John's brother William F. "W.S." is also in Searcy county for 1860, > he lives in Bear Creek. He has wife Mary from SC and six children. > John's brother James Erwin Shipman had come to Searcy county and was > enumerated there in 1850 at Campbell. I think he was married to > Nancy Holt, Ann Gray and Mary Katherine Hollabaugh? > John's brother Matthew was enumerated in Searcy Co. in 1860 Census > living on Bear Creek. He was married to Tritheny, had three children > Mary, Rachel and Rebecca the oldest 8 years old born in AR. (These are all brothers to Isaac and the John Shipman son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman not the John R. Shipman son of Jacob and Nancy Denton. > I believe John R's father Jacob and wife Nancy Denton Shipman both > died in Tennessee? (The John Shipman, husband of Susannah, brother to Isaac, William F., James Ervin or Irvin, Matthew, Elizabeth and Rachel was the son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman, believe both parents were born in NC and they are last seen on the 1840 census of Wayne County, TN.) > > Don Ott > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARSEARCY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don I apologize, I did not know that I could not send this to you in color. Hopefully you can make out the notes that are in ( ) as my notes in your email. Janie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janie" <j.wagnon@cox.net> To: <arsearcy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ARSEARCY] John R. Shipman > Don let me help you get these John Shipman's straitened out if I can. I > am going to make you notes in your email in Green, so please scroll down > and thank you for your reply first of all this John Shipman (census below) > husband of Susannah, is the son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman, not Jacob > and Nancy Denton Shipman. > Here is his census data. He is listed each year with children. I am not > certain, but I don't think he ever was in the census as John R. Shipman. > Hope this helps. > > 1850 Census of Wayne Co., TN 5th Civ Dist Page 322B > 39 765 775 SHIPMAN, John 35 M Farmer TN > Susannah 32 F TN > > 1860 Census of Searcy County, ARK Locust Grove Twsp . > 6-624-621 SHIPMAN, John 44 M Farmer 500 TN > Susan 44 F > ILL > > > 1880 Census Independence Co ARK White River Twsp Page 23/186 > 15Jun1880 > 203-207 SHIPMAN, John WM 63 Widow TN NC VA > > > Scroll down to your email for comments in green. > Janie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Ott" <dott@centurytel.net> > To: <ARSEARCY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:41 AM > Subject: [ARSEARCY] John R. Shipman > > >> John Shipman is enumerated in the 1850 Census, Tennessee, Carroll, >> Dist. 15. His first wife is not listed, I believe that was Sarah >> Moore b. ca. 2 Feb 1808 TN, died 19 Sep 1845 Westport, Carroll, >> TN. In this same 1850 Census John R's oldest son Elijah M. Shipman >> is also listed in Carroll Co. Dist 15, Elijah 24 TN, Abigail 18 TN, >> and daughter Sarah 2 TN. The other six children of John R. and Sarah >> Moore are at home with John R., they are: Elizabeth, Nancy, >> Charlotte, Elisha, Martha and Sarah. (This is a different John Shipman, >> I believe he is the son of Jacob and Nancy Denton Shipman, he is not the >> husband of Susannah or the brother to my Isaac Shipman both of John and >> Isaac were sons of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman) >> I have not located John R.'s family for the 1860 Census, I believe >> that he died 24 Dec 1859 in Westport, Carroll, Tennessee. >> I have some notes, no proof, that he may have married Elizabeth >> Redman? and as well the Susannah earlier discussed (diffirent John, >> Susannah was John's first wife) I don't know if >> Susannah was a Holt or a Cypert, but a brother of his (Isaac) married a >> Cypert.( brother to John son of Jacob and Rebecca, not John R. Shipman >> son of Jacob and Nancy Denton Shipman) >> Did John R. have additional children with a second and or third >> wife, where was the family enumerated in 1860. >> John's brother Isaac is in Campbell, Searcy AR for 1860, he is >> without wife, appears that Malinda Cypert his first wife has passed >> and he has the house full of children before he married Elizabeth >> Brown and had more children. (This Isaac is the son of Jacob and Rebecca >> Shipman and is the brother to John in the census above not John R. >> Shipman you have) >> John's brother William F. "W.S." is also in Searcy county for 1860, >> he lives in Bear Creek. He has wife Mary from SC and six children. >> John's brother James Erwin Shipman had come to Searcy county and was >> enumerated there in 1850 at Campbell. I think he was married to >> Nancy Holt, Ann Gray and Mary Katherine Hollabaugh? >> John's brother Matthew was enumerated in Searcy Co. in 1860 Census >> living on Bear Creek. He was married to Tritheny, had three children >> Mary, Rachel and Rebecca the oldest 8 years old born in AR. (These are >> all brothers to Isaac and the John Shipman son of Jacob and Rebecca >> Shipman not the John R. Shipman son of Jacob and Nancy Denton. >> I believe John R's father Jacob and wife Nancy Denton Shipman both >> died in Tennessee? (The John Shipman, husband of Susannah, brother to >> Isaac, William F., James Ervin or Irvin, Matthew, Elizabeth and Rachel >> was the son of Jacob and Rebecca Shipman, believe both parents were born >> in NC and they are last seen on the 1840 census of Wayne County, TN.) >> >> Don Ott >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ARSEARCY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARSEARCY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don, I am trying to find out some information on a Nancy Shipman who married a John Wilsher in Marion county AR on Dec 8, 1892, would I go to the court house in Yellville for Marion Co.marriage books. Might be a note or some clue. Do you know anything on her or the Wilsher family. Janie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <dott@centurytel.net> To: <ARSEARCY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: [ARSEARCY] John R. Shipman > John Shipman is enumerated in the 1850 Census, Tennessee, Carroll, > Dist. 15. His first wife is not listed, I believe that was Sarah > Moore b. ca. 2 Feb 1808 TN, died 19 Sep 1845 Westport, Carroll, > TN. In this same 1850 Census John R's oldest son Elijah M. Shipman > is also listed in Carroll Co. Dist 15, Elijah 24 TN, Abigail 18 TN, > and daughter Sarah 2 TN. The other six children of John R. and Sarah > Moore are at home with John R., they are: Elizabeth, Nancy, > Charlotte, Elisha, Martha and Sarah. > I have not located John R.'s family for the 1860 Census, I believe > that he died 24 Dec 1859 in Westport, Carroll, Tennessee. > I have some notes, no proof, that he may have married Elizabeth > Redman? and as well the Susannah earlier discussed. I don't know if > Susannah was a Holt or a Cypert, but a brother of his married a Cypert. > Did John R. have additional children with a second and or third > wife, where was the family enumerated in 1860. > John's brother Isaac is in Campbell, Searcy AR for 1860, he is > without wife, appears that Malinda Cypert his first wife has passed > and he has the house full of children before he married Elizabeth > Brown and had more children. > John's brother William F. "W.S." is also in Searcy county for 1860, > he lives in Bear Creek. He has wife Mary from SC and six children. > John's brother James Erwin Shipman had come to Searcy county and was > enumerated there in 1850 at Campbell. I think he was married to > Nancy Holt, Ann Gray and Mary Katherine Hollabaugh? > John's brother Matthew was enumerated in Searcy Co. in 1860 Census > living on Bear Creek. He was married to Tritheny, had three children > Mary, Rachel and Rebecca the oldest 8 years old born in AR. > I believe John R's father Jacob and wife Nancy Denton Shipman both > died in Tennessee? > > Don Ott > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARSEARCY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >