Let me say this to all interested parties of the Adams, since this EARLY Arkansas Territory family has many descendants across America. I have no known ties to the Adams Family of Izard, Fulton, Marion, Baxter, Searcy and other North Arkansas Counties. Back in the old days...back in the 1980's when there were a lot of us researching online (way before the internet left the military and went public) I helped several researchers of early days try to unscramble the Admas, Bakers, Hortons, and other Searcy County lines. I also had an interest from the Adams family group up in Fulton/Izard county thru my husbands people...the Wolfs of Northfork River fame are part of my hands line and they too married the Adams up there. So we did a lot of digging, and one of the family members made me a photocopy of the original bible pages of Robert Adams and Synthia ?? (Cates). These pages were printed in the Searcy County Exchange years back by James J. as well. There doesn't seem to be a mention of the parents of Robert Adams. I would prefer that James Johnston make a comment about these bible records. Mine are of the original pages but, if it is not commonly known, then I wonder if I have missed something over the years, while I was busy and distracted from the Pioneer Adams of North Arkansas. Can anybody tell me why the bible records of Robert and Synthia published in the Ancestors Exchange are not of public record and common knowledge???? James are you out there? Faye in Tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Oldziewski <harness75@earthlink.net> To: thesandys <thesandys@email.msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [ARSEARCY] Adams - again > thesandys wrote: > > > > I am somewhat lost in everybody's "Adams" dialogue. If comprising a book or > > a family history for a book (since most folks think if it's in a book, it's > > must be true) Or a newspaper or etc. etc. There's something about something > > being in > > print that just makes us swear it's the gospel truth. > > Why don't you use the Adams bible pages as reference for the births of > > Matthew Adams children? I noticed you show Matthew and Miranda Adams as > > both born in 1822, which they weren't. Miranda was born 30 January, 1822, > > while Matthew was born 17 October, 1820. Also, you show a girl named Eliza > > M. Adams born 1840, that I don't believe belongs, while you eleminated both > > Esther and Sarah Adams from the list of children. > > Faye in Tx. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> > > To: <ARSEARCY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:50 PM > > Subject: [ARSEARCY] Adams - again > > > > > Let me put it this way, Judy. In order to track nine 8X10 pages of Adams' > > genealogy for Big Blue, we used several sources and a ton of paper full of > > notes. Here's the list. > > > > > > "Descendants of James & Agnes (Wilson) Adams with 57 Allied Families" by > > Leona Adams Loviska. > > > "White River Chronicles of S C Turnbo" by James F Keefe & Lynn Morrow. > > > "History of Marion Co" by Earl Berry. > > > "Marion Co Marriages Records 1887-1917" (3 volumes) by Marian Burnes & > > Vicki Roberts. > > > "Portraits and Landscapes" by Z B Smith (a collection of newspaper > > articles) > > > "Marion Co. AR 1890" by Helen McMindes (a reconstruction using 1880 + 1900 > > census & 1890 tax records). > > > Robert J. Adams, 2741 Live Oak Ave, Fullerton CA 92635. > > > Helen McMindes (she's recently moved from Harrison AR to CA so don't yet > > have her new address). > > > MCAR 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920 federal census. > > > SCAR 1840, 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880 federal census. > > > "Pleasant Ridge Cemetery" by Max Parnell. > > > And, of course, that wonderfully easy computer age capability . . . Cross > > Referencing. > > > > > > Exactly where each snippit of info came from, I can't say offhand. It's > > all in the archived Big Blue files, though <grin> Three huge boxes stuffed > > with enough paper to make a couple of huge trees! > > > > > > What we gleaned from all this is: > > > > > > Robert "Bob" Adams (son of James & Agnes [Wilson] Adams) b VA ca 1770 d > > Izard Co. AR March 1825 m/1 KY 19 March 1796 Patience Hall; m/2 KY 23 May > > 1804 Elizabeth "Betsy" Ferguson. In Lawrence Co. AR 1820. > > > Children: > > > Robert "Bob" & Patience had 2 kids. > > > Robert "Bob" & "Betsy" had 5 kids including > > > Robert Adams Jr. b KY 1808 m Izard Co. AR Martha Jane ___ 1807. He is a > > widower in North Fork Township, Izard Co. AR 1870. > > > > > > Matthew Adams (son of James & Agnes [Wilson] Adams) b VA 1767/8 d Izard > > Co. AR 1836 m/1 Esther Barnett; m/2 Christian Co KY Catherine Ferguson d > > Pope Co AR 29 Dec 1841. In Lawrence Co AR 1817. > > > Children: > > > Matthew & Esther had 5 kids - all girls. > > > Matthew & Catherine had 3 sons including > > > Robert Adams b KY 1794/9 d Independence Co AR 1865 m Cynthia Cates b NC ca > > 1798. In Tomahawk Township, Searcy Co AR 1840, 1850. In Bear Creek > > Township, Searcy Co. AR 1860. > > > Children: > > > Stacy Adams b AR 1818 m Eli B Sooter. > > > Miranda Adams b AR 30 Jan 1822. > > > Matthew Adams b AR 1822. Single in SCAR 1870 living with sister Mary > > Shaw. > > > Joseph Adams b AR ca 1827 m Elvira Jane ___ b TN 1828. > > > Mary Adams b AR ca 1825 m J D Shaw. In SCAR 1870. > > > Thomas Adams b AR 1834 d bef 1870 m Emille Hodge (daughter of Granville K > > & Elizabeth [Campbell] Hodge) b McNairy Co TN. She m/2 James Holstead. > > > Abner Adams b SCAR 1837/8 m Mary ___ b AR 1837. > > > Eliza M Adams b AR 1840. > > > > > > The best I can do for PROOF is that Matthew (son of James & Agnes) settled > > in Searcy Co and was there from its inception in 1835 while Robert (son of > > James & Agnes) settled in Izard Co and his son Robert was still there in > > 1870. Looks to me like they lived in different areas of Izard Co and when > > Searcy Co was created out of Izard, Matthew was in the Searcy Co part. > > > > > > Because Big Blue was essentially a Marion Co book on Marion Co families, > > we only tracked data that led to Marion Co. (Actually, we tracked in both > > directions - from Adamses in MCAR back and from James & Agnes forward.) > > > > > > Here, again, I'm probably duplicating data you already have, but this is a > > method of tracking Vicki and I use lots. > > > > > > SCAR 1860 Sulphur Springs Township: > > > Joseph Adams 33 AR. > > > Elvira 32 TN. > > > Matthew 10 AR. > > > Ervin David 12 AR. > > > JAMES 7 AR. > > > William 5 AR. > > > George 2 AR. > > > Elizabeth Bone 17 __. > > > William 2 AR > > > > > > SCAR 1870 Bear Creek Township: > > > Joseph Addams 43 AR. > > > Elvira 42 TN. > > > Martha [sic] 19 AR. > > > JAMES 16 AR. > > > William 14 AR. > > > George 11 AR. > > > Abner 4 AR. > > > John 2 AR. > > > > > > SCAR 1880 Sulphur Springs Township: > > > #28-29 Joseph Addams 57 AR NC KY. > > > Elvira J 52 TN GA TN. > > > Abner 14 AR AR TN. > > > John W 12 AR AR TN. > > > William G 23 AR AR TN (son). > > > Georgia 18 AR AR AR (d-in-l). > > > > > > #16-17 Amos Treadwell 56 TN NC NC. > > > Siles R 23 AR TN TN (son). > > > Mary 22 AR MO TN (d-in-l). > > > Victory J. 2 AR AR AR (g-dau). > > > Margaret R 11/12 AR AR AR (g-dau). > > > JAMES M Addems 26 AR AR TN (s-in-l). > > > Margaret C [Treadwell] 26 AR AR TN (wife). > > > Joseph L 5 AR AR AR (son). > > > Sarah E 3 AR AR AR (dau). > > > John Q 1 AR AR AR (son). > > > > > > Tracking this family - dates, birth places, townships, names - indicates > > to me that James M Addams (consistent spelling variant not used with other > > families of the same surname) was the son of Joseph & Elvira and the husband > > of Margaret C Treadwell. The "M" could well stand for "Marion." Whether > > you call this proof or deduction, I'm not real sure. Obviously the James > > Newton Adams is out of the running - wrong middle name/initial. And the > > fact that James' father's brother's widow married second James Wilson > > Holstead lends credence since they all ended up in the same place. > > > > > > Hope you can figure out all this stuff. And that it helps. > > > > > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > > > "Genealogy without documentation is mythology" > > > > > > > Faye > > I am a descendant of Robert Adams through his daughter Maranda who > married Lemuel Holsted. In my family we were told Matthew and Maranda > were twins. This came from my grandfather who was the grandson of > Maranda. Also in the 1850 census Matthew is listed as age 28 which tends > to confirm the twins bit. > > I never heard of an Eliza before and I agree she probably does not > belong there. > > Now most important of all where did you get a copy of Adams Bible pages. > I have never heard of them. This is wonderful news!! Most of what I have > managed to put together has come from oral family history and/or census > which we all know census can be very misleading. I would love to have > any records you have on the Robert Adams family. I am definitely open to > correcting my records. I don't mind being shown I am wrong. I don't want > to use or pass on misleading infomation. > > I actually started the posting on the Adams family trying to get > straight on who James (son of Joseph and grandson of Robert married). > Two people were giving me wildly different info and I wanted to know > which was correct. I try to never guess or assume. I want facts. I also > have been searching for years to confirm that Matthew and Esther were > the parents of Robert (Searcy County about 1817). Again the > circumstantial evidence is strong but I want proof if at all possible so > I have never listed Matthew as Robert's father without qualifying it as > being without proof. I appear to be the only holdout on this. > > Do the Bible records show the parents of Robert and Cinthia? It would be > wonderful news if they do. As to Sarah I have been told but have not > been able to prove that a Sallie (nickname for Sarah) born 1826 married > King Chandler. Does this match the Bible records? The same person who > told me about Sallie also said there was a William born about 1815. He > apparently died young if there was such a person. I never heard of an > Esther but it fits if Matthew and Esther are the parent of Robert. > > Sorry this is so long but I am so excited at the thought that there are > actual Bible records to clear up some of the confusion. Do you have a > copy of the actual record? I would love to have a copy and will send > money to pay for the copying and postage. Any info you can provide much > appreciated and I will share all the info I have if you are interested. > > Judy