I owe Joyce an apology. I did not see the note she made at the top of her email that she had gotten it from another list. Her words were: I received this from another mailing list. As a genealogist, I found it very interesting and thought others might also. If we go along with his suggestions, future historians will be in a pickle! Joyce hasnt written me about this, I noticed it quite by accident. Looks like she didn't agree much with this person either. She was just the messenger! I apologize to Joyce, and I agree with her comment. Angela in Oklahoma