You mention Sims in a couple of posts, Two Rowland brothers, Amos and Thomas married two Sims sisters, Mary (Polly) and Elizabeth Sims, daughters of Littlepage Sims. This was in the Mississippi Territory. Amos Rowland (1790-abt 1850) m. Mary (Polly) Sims 12 Feb. 1813 Thomas Rowland (1792-1853) m. Elizabeth Sims 1812 Both of the large families ended up in Pulaski/Saline Co. Ark. My branch of Amos' family were in Henderson Co. TX by the 1860's. Several Rowlands came from Arkansas to Texas. Georgia Bengel Tatum Researching: Ashe, Bengel, Burris, Byrd, Carson, Cotton, Curry, Danforth, Dorner, Ford, Johnson, Lovelace, Lynn, Miller, Owens, Petrey, Rowland, Rumph, Sadler, Sims, Tatum, Walston families In a message dated 5/4/2009 9:52:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, arsaline-request@rootsweb.com writes: Author: michaelroland222 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.s aline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Carolyn, Yes the Sims has been a great source of confusion because that is the only place it is mentioned. That is why I believe that G.W. may be Emelines son by a different man, but G.W. never kept his name. I was not able to find any local Sims in that Census. Could have been a traveler or a migrant farm worker. Or perhaps she took in a child from someone? Yes Jefferson Davis Roland was George Washington Roland's brother. However, I never knew he was a reverend. G.W. did move to Kaufman Texas With his firt wife Ida Chamness and her sister and family. They all lived within a few hoses of each other. They had my Grandfather, Johnny Mansel Roland. Then Ida died and G.W. married her sister that had been living with them. Then either she died or he divorced her and then married my Great Grandmother Donahue. She had a daughter named Lillian. Johnny and Lillian(step brother and step sister)fell in love and married. They had my father Raymond. Yes I would like a copy of the obituary. Thanks, Michael **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg)

I do have SIMS, but only 7 and only two of those are female...neither of which is married to a Rowland. I have several Thomas Rowlands, but non married to a Sims. Are you sure you have the correct posts? -------------------------------------------------- From: <GATATUM@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:01 PM To: <arsaline@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ARSALINE] ARSALINE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 25 > You mention Sims in a couple of posts, Two Rowland brothers, Amos and > Thomas married two Sims sisters, Mary (Polly) and Elizabeth Sims, > daughters of > Littlepage Sims. This was in the Mississippi Territory. > Amos Rowland (1790-abt 1850) m. Mary (Polly) Sims 12 Feb. 1813 > Thomas Rowland (1792-1853) m. Elizabeth Sims 1812 > Both of the large families ended up in Pulaski/Saline Co. Ark. > My branch of Amos' family were in Henderson Co. TX by the 1860's. > Several Rowlands came from Arkansas to Texas. > Georgia Bengel Tatum > > Researching: Ashe, Bengel, Burris, Byrd, Carson, Cotton, Curry, Danforth, > Dorner, Ford, Johnson, Lovelace, Lynn, Miller, Owens, Petrey, Rowland, > Rumph, Sadler, Sims, Tatum, Walston families > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2009 9:52:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > arsaline-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Author: michaelroland222 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.s > aline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Carolyn, > Yes the Sims has been a great source of confusion because that is the > only > place it is mentioned. That is why I believe that G.W. may be Emelines > son > by a different man, but G.W. never kept his name. I was not able to find > any local Sims in that Census. Could have been a traveler or a migrant > farm > worker. Or perhaps she took in a child from someone? > Yes Jefferson Davis Roland was George Washington Roland's brother. > However, I never knew he was a reverend. G.W. did move to Kaufman Texas > With his > firt wife Ida Chamness and her sister and family. They all lived within a > few hoses of each other. They had my Grandfather, Johnny Mansel Roland. > Then > Ida died and G.W. married her sister that had been living with them. Then > either she died or he divorced her and then married my Great Grandmother > Donahue. She had a daughter named Lillian. Johnny and Lillian(step > brother and > step sister)fell in love and married. They had my father Raymond. > Yes I would like a copy of the obituary. > Thanks, > Michael > > > > > **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at > $449! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARSALINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: michaelroland222 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would be happy to share it with you. I am in NC right now on business and won't be home till Friday night. I can do whatever you prefer. I can scan it and email it to you or I can make a copy and mail it to you. I can imagine it was rough then. It was rough when Jeremiah was alive. I wonder if ny of his family was in the area as well. There are alot of Rowland/Roland members in Arkansas. There is a Rowland Cemetery in Boone county. There is actually a town called Roland Arkansas not far from Conway. I can't find much history on it though. And of course I wish I knew where to turn to figure out the G.W. mystery. The family I have spoken too remember their parents as saying he was a very quiet and private man that just didn't talk about his family. I don't know why. My cousin has his family Bible and he does not record any family history in it. I think I have some old photos of G.W. My email is michael.roland@sas.com if you want to communicate outside the message board. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I meant to say the U.S. Census records for each state are at the Arkansas History Commission. Carolyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Denny you can go to the Arkansas History Commision over at the State Capitol in Little Rock and they have the State Census records there that you can view and even make copies of if you want for your personal records. I wish I live close enough I could spend hours there researching my Arkansas ancestors. Carolyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: michaelroland222 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wow! The picture was great. And another Wow! for the obituary. My cousin is going to be amazed. She is the daughter of my grandfather Johnny's sister, Thelma. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Roland, Rowland, Rolland Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "The Arkansas Gazette, Little Rock, Sunday, November 16, 1941. Rev. Jeff D. Rowland. Minister 40 Years Special to the Gazette Conway, Nov. 15.---The Rev. Jeff Davis Rowland; 79, Methodist and Nazarene preacher for 40 years, died at a hospital here last night. He had been living with a son, C. W. Roland, near here. He is survived by his wife, three sons, C.W. of Conway, Z. T. of North Little Rock and the Rev. N. E. Roland of Kansas City, Kan: three daughters, Mrs Mary Phillips of Conway, Mrs. Linn Mills of Edinburg, Tex, and Mrs. B.B. Wright of North Little Rock, and a brother G. W. Roland of Kaufman, Tex." You can imagine how interesting this was to me as I have been a member of the Church of the Nazarene since I was a child. The Church of the Nazarene was formed in 1908 from the Methodist Church and other Weslyan churches when they united at Pilot Point, Texas in 1908. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you click on the picture it will enlarge it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'll try to attach a pic of John Henry Roland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: michaelroland222 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Carolyn, Yes the Sims has been a great source of confusion because that is the only place it is mentioned. That is why I believe that G.W. may be Emelines son by a different man, but G.W. never kept his name. I was not able to find any local Sims in that Census. Could have been a traveler or a migrant farm worker. Or perhaps she took in a child from someone? Yes Jefferson Davis Roland was George Washington Roland's brother. However, I never knew he was a reverend. G.W. did move to Kaufman Texas With his firt wife Ida Chamness and her sister and family. They all lived within a few hoses of each other. They had my Grandfather, Johnny Mansel Roland. Then Ida died and G.W. married her sister that had been living with them. Then either she died or he divorced her and then married my Great Grandmother Donahue. She had a daughter named Lillian. Johnny and Lillian(step brother and step sister)fell in love and married. They had my father Raymond. Yes I would like a copy of the obituary. Thanks, Michael Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Roland, Rowland, Rolen, Rolland Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Michael on the 1880 US Census for Arkansas, Faulkner Co., Matthews Twps,ED 54, page 9, line 13, Emeline Roland is listed with three sons; James J., John H., and George Sims who is age 10 in 1880. I don't think that Emeline ever married after Jeremiah's death because she is still listed on the census records as Emaline Roland. In the 1878 date she is listed as Emaline Rolen after being transferred to Union Valley. This is after Prudence Langley is listed as "having departed this life July 10, 1878." Lena Hoggard (spelling in the book) is listed as being transfered to Union Valley Church at the same time as Emaline. Lena is Emaline's daughter. Saying all that to say, I don't see any records that Emaline ever married anyone named Sims. I do think that George Washington is her son. I don't know the account of his conception, so don't know who his father could be as Jeremiah has already died. I am very interested to know who George's father is as I know you are, too. When I was last at the Arkansas Hisory Commission Library, I found an obituary in the Arkansas Gazette, Nov. 16, 1941, of Rev. Jeff D. Rowland. Among other survivors it lists a brother G. W. Roland of Kaufman, Tex. I think that is your G.W. Roland. I could copy the obituary here for you if you are interested. I'm glad you responded to my query here and I will be happy to help you with any questions that you have that I can help with. Carolyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: michaelroland222 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Carolyn, I can understand your search, but imagine my confusion. If John Henry was a son of Jeremiah and Emeline, then my Great Grandfather George Washington Roland was I guess his half-brother or step brother because G.W. was born after Jeremiahs death. Sometime after. So I don't know if he was adopted by Emeline or what, but the census records I have seen and the discussions I have had with remaining family members, Emeline was definitely his mother. I applied and recieved G.W. Rolands Death certificate and his father is listed as Jerry. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynFranklin70 Surnames: Rowland, Roland, Rolland, Rolen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/337.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Marty, I am a descendant of the Rowland, Roland, family. I found your post on the bulletin board at Ancestry.com. I'm thankful that you posted and that you are available as a contact person in Faulkner Co. My great grandfather was John Henry Roland who was born in 1863. A note from his daughter-in-law, Alice, tells me the following. I posted it earlier this morning to the Pence Funeral Home Thread. Here is the information that I posted there. "I found your message on the bulletin board at Ancestry.com that you would be willing to look in your books Pence Funeral Home Conway 1881-1926 for names. I am looking for John Henry Roland who died after 1910 in Faulkner Co. He was my great grandfather. His sister-in-law, wife to William B. Rolland, sent me information about his death. She said, "John Henry Rolland was born in 1863 in Arkansas and his wife, the former EmmaAikins, was born in 1864 in Tennessee." "John and Emma were married in Faulkner County Arkansas on October 5, 1884. To their union was born eight children. They were: Bessie, Samuel, Laura, William, Bengaham, Pearl, Floyd and Mancel." Bengaham died when he was just a small child from eating poisonous wild berries. John Henry, Bessie, and Sam died during the flu epidemic of 1911, within a six week period of time. BessieRolland Gibb's infant child also died, at this time." Thank you for any help or information that you can find in the death records from the PenceFuneral Home Conway 1881-1926. It will be so helpful to me if you find their names and dates of their deaths. " I would really love to communicate with you regarding the Roland Family. I found Prudence Cobb Langley's tombstone in the Oakland Cemetary. She was Emeline Cobb Rowland/Roland/Rolen's mother. I would would like to come to Faulkner Co. and be able to visit the area that you tell about in your post on the bulletin board. >From all of my research, I believe that John Henry Roland was the son of Jeremiah Rowland. His birthdate was in July, 1863, according to the age and date given on his marriage documents. The dates on the census for his age are all different, so, it is hard to go by them as being reliable. Jeremiah's Civil War Records say that he was on the muster roll of the 11 and 17th Consol'd Arkansas Infantry, Confederate, for Dec. 31, 1862 to April 30, 1863, dated Aug. 17, 1863. He enlisted Jan. 1, 1863 at Benton, Ark. by Col. Vance. He died at Port Hudson March 8, 1863. I have a copy of the Probate Record of Saline Co. for the estate of Jeremiah Roland, which lists Emaline Roland widow of Jeremiah Roland, deceased, and Leannah Susan Roland, Willliam Buckhannon Rolland, James Layfayett and Jeff Davis Rolland children of Said deceased all residing in Saline County, Arkansas. John Henry is not named in this probate record because he is not yet been born. Emaline would have been five months pregnant with him since he was born later in July of that year 1863. Since Jeremiah did not join the Consal'd Arkansas Infantry until Dec 31, 1862, he was home and that is when John Henry was conceived. There are now DNA test that can be taken by male descendants in a family. We know that your William B. Roland was mentioned in the probate records of Jeremiah Roland, so any male descendants of his would qualify. I know male descendants of John H. Roland that I could get the DNA sample from to have it compared to known male descendants of Jeremiah Roland/Rowland. This would be one way of proving, for me, of my great grandfather being a descendant of Jeremiah Roland. So, if you can help me in that area it would be great. Any information that you can share with me about the Roland family that you are descended from will be very helpful to me as they are siblings of John Henry Roland. I am including a photo of John Henry Roland that was taken just before his death. I identified the date of the photo postcard from the stamp markings on the back of it as being taken 1910-later 1930. If anyone is interested I will share the photo with you. I would love to see photos of the Roland/Rowland/Rolland/Rolen family. In the book Oakland United Methodist Church of Holland, Faulkner County, Arkansas, Jeremiah's widow is written as Emaline Rolen. It says she was transferred to Union Valley Church. Would anyone know where this church is located or know of any records of it. I know there are lots of questions in this post. Hope it isn't to confusing. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: olemsrebel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/1542.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Roy P. is my husbands grandfather. Would love to share info with you. Contact me at kaford@pkford.com. Katherine Ford Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: graveseeker63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/1542.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my family, would love to talk with you. Herbert is my grandfather Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatT100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/3.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You are correct on the date of publication, 2004. Photograph is on page 137. I was writing from memory, never a good idea for me. (smile) A number of GWMs, mostly unrelated, mostly in Arkansas at mostly the same time, so I mention the following: Your GWM was evidently in the 1860 Union Co AR census (evidently not the same as and not related to the Murphy in the 1870 Union Co AR census) and your GWM eventually moved to Louisiana. I am related to the Keesees through my father's side of the family, making this GWM a very distant cousin-in-law. Then through my mother's side, I am related to a completely different Murphy family, no relation to the first, which also has at least one GWM, maybe more. Then there are other GWMs in Arkansas at the time whio do not appear to be relatives. Hope I don't find other errors as soon as I hit the send button, but anyhow-- (smile) Best, Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: smurfyk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so much for your info.....I definitely would be interested in seeing the photo of Geo W Murphy's children...one of his boys...George Everett Murphy is my great grandad...I went to Amazon.com...and found a book by Carolyn Billingsley.."Communities of Kinship:Antebellum Families and the Settlement of the Cotton Frontier"...published by the U of GA...in 2004...you mentioned the book you have is dated...2003...It states that the book deals with Thomas Keesee Sr. and descendants.....could this be the same book??? I am interested in it....if this is not the one like you have....I will contact the University and try to order one....and yes, Agnes Keesee (Clardy) was Elizabeth Clardys mother....Agnes married Benjamin Clardy... (Elizabeth married Geo. W Murphy and they are my gg grandparents..)...also, I tried to Google Geo W Murphy ...but didn't come up with anything....I have done some research about him....some interesting things he did....I have been trying to get into t! he DAR..via the Murphy's....and came to a bump...and couldn't progress further....I have been told that I could do this via the Keesee's....so may try that......thanks for your help...Sue Krause Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Annedixb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Elizabeth Montgomery did not marry a Keesee. She married William W. White of Saline County. Her younger sister Nancy is the one who married George W. Keesee. If GWK did die in the late 1860s then that would explain why I can't find them after 1860. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatT100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found Elizabeth Montgomery's name in my database but that's all. My understanding is that both GWKs (not sure which one married Elizabeth Montgomery) may have died sometime in the late 1860s, one maybe before. Jefferson County is of course next door to Grant County, and I think there was a boundary change at some time involving Saline. I've forgotten, but know that I have had to write both Grant and Saline for things I thought would be in one or the other. Mrs. Billingsley's book has an excellent discussion of the probate of George Polk Keesee's will, pages 130 and 131, if WorldCat shows a copy of her book near your location--but as to your specific question, not seeing anything except possible leads. Best-- Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatT100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.saline/3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found Elizabeth Montgomery's name in my database but that's all. My understanding is that both GWKs (not sure which one married Elizabeth Montgomery) may have died sometime in the late 1860s, one maybe before. Jefferson County is of course next door to Grant County, and I think there was a boundary change at some time involving Saline. I've forgotten, but know that I have had to write both Grant and Saline for things I thought would be in one or the other. Mrs. Billingsley's book has an excellent discussion of the probate of George Polk Keesee's will, pages 130 and 131, if WorldCat shows a copy of her book near your location--but as to your specific question, not seeing anything except possible leads. Best-- Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.