Dear Traci, I know nothing about your PERMENTER, etc. surname, but I have an interest in WOODARDs. I correspond with a many-times-removed cousin who is about to (privately) publish her WOODARD-DUNCAN-LAWLESS/LOLLIS family history. I will need a chance to refresh my notes on the WOODARDs before I can offer reliable information, though. In the meantime, it will help me help you if you can give me a little information on yours, to check my database. I'll wait to hear from you. Janice HARMON Steed, Tulsa, OK