This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ellergirl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.arney/331/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking parents, spouse and children info for Hannah Arney b Abt 1789 Indiana d Abt 1821 Poss , , North Carolina and Elisha Childress b 4 Dec 1791 , Stokes, North Carolina d 4 Jan 1872 Owen Co, Indiana buried at Dutch Temple Cem, Jefferson Twsp, Owen, Indiana Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rowan_Randy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.arney/3.25.47.1.1.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to notes-dated February 7,1977-by my grandfather, McNealy "Mack" Arney (deceased), Lewis Franklin Arney (of South Carolina) and Catherine Butts Smith (Tennessee) had the following children: Alexander 10/07/1836 Saraw Ann 06/11/1844 Susan Emley 02/14/1846 Mary Francis 11/25/1848 Benjamin Franklin 06/07/1851 Daniel Webster 10/22/1853 William Marshall 01/07/1856-my GF's father. My GGF. Moreover, the notes read, "Catherine W. Arney passed away March 21, 1859, and a few years later Lewis Franklin Arney remarried to Ann McWhirter. Uncle Henry Arney is the only child of the second set that I know about. There may be others. Uncle Dan Arney also married twice. His 2nd wife was also a McWhirter, sister to Grandfather Arney's second wife. Alleyene Arney Lanier is a daughter of Dan Arney's second marriage" [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rowan_Randy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.arney/162.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mack and Alma Arney were my maternal grandparents. [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I need your help, 1900 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, 4th District, Pickett County Otha J Arney, 24 Nancy L Arney, 23, Wife, married 3 yrs 1910 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, 4th District, Pickett County Otha J Arney, 36 Nancy L Arney, 34, Wife, married 12 yrs 1920 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, 4th District, Pickett County Otha J Arney, 45 Cresy Arney, 42, Wife 1930 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, 4th District, Clay County Othey J Arney, 55 (age at 1st marriage 22) Nancy Arney, 53, Wife (age at 1st marriage 20) 1940 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, 4th District, Pickett County Otha J Arney, 65 Nancy Arney, 62, Wife I'm wanting to find out, what her name "officially" was, who her siblings and parents were, etc. I believe her surname/maiden name was SMITH. I know that she went by the name, "Creacy", which is what is noted on her grave marker. Creacy Arney May 4, 1877 to August 9, 1956. There is a "story", that when she was born, she had 5 Aunts, her parents didn't want to hurt the feelings of any of the Aunts, so they gave her all 5 Aunts names. I found this notation: http://register.shelby.tn.us/deathSearchResultsvital.php Searching the surname Arney, you find: Arney, Nancy L Date of Death: 9 August 1956, age 79 Died in Overton County, Tennessee She was a Widow On findagrave.com, I found: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24077454 But nothing that leads to her parents, etc. Her name, (might have been) Nancy Lucy "Creacy Ann" SMITH. Does anyone, know this family? Thank you, for your time, consideration,and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

I'm looking for information on William Ervin Arney (1904-????), son of Otha Jouett Arney (1875-1956).  Not to be confused with William Ervin Arney (1841-1887), the father of Otha Jouett Arney. Otha Jouett Arney (1875-1956) married Nancy Lucy "Creacy" Ann Smith (1877-1956) They had 4 children:  Myrtie Lee Arney (1900-1973), William Ervin Arney (1904-????), Waymon Dibrell Arney (1905-1994), and Stanley Goble Arney (1909-1979). I'm wanting to learn, who William Ervin Arney married, and what the names of their children were, etc. If you can help me, in this quest for knowledge, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney

Last night, around 9:30pm, Bertha Claudine Melton-Arney, born 12 July 1914, passed away unexpectedly. She had been in the hospital recovering from a broken hip and pneumonia. Seemingly recovering well, then unexpectedly, passed away. She was my Paternal Grandmother, Widow of Stanley Goble Arney (1909-1979) Stan Arney Wichita, KS

In looking through the US Federal Census 1830 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton CountyJohn Arney1 Male 20-39 (1801-1810)1 Female 0-41 Female 20-29 1840 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton CountyJohn Arney1 Male 30-39 (1801-1810)1 Female 0-42 Female 5-91 Female 10-141 Female 30-39 1840 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Johnson CountyJohn Arney1 Male 5-91 Male 40-49 (1791-1800)1 Female 0-41 Female 5-91 Female 10-141 Female 30-39 [Note: The differences in John Arney's, in 1840, in Overton & Johnson Counties.] 1850 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Johnson CountyJohn Arney, 48, born in VAChristina Arney, 44, born in VASabra C Arney, 20, born in VAJohn Mitchell Arney, 18, born in VAMary O Arney, 16, born in VASusannah B Arney, 14, born in VANoah S Arney, 9, born in TNJames Madison Arney, 6, born in TNAlfred J Arney, 4, born in TNCharles F Arney, 9/12, born in TN [Note: The evidence here, appears to show the family living in Virginia, until around 1840.IF, this is the case, could this John Arney, possibly the son of Peter Arney (1772-1845)?When Peter Arney, spent virtually his entire Tennessee life, in Overton County (1799-1845). Could we Arney researchers be incorrect, about connecting this John Arney, to our Peter Arney?] Also, what about the John Arney, who appears in the 1840 Census, in Overton County, TN. If the one in the 1840 Census, in Johnson County, TN, is Peter's son, then who is the other John Arney (in Overton County)? What are your thoughts, anyone? Stan ArneyWichita, KS

Can anyone tell me, who this John T Arney was, who fought in the American Civil War, for Dibrell's 13th Cavalry? The only John T. Arney, I know of was the son of William Ervin Arney (1841-1887), who also fought in the same unit.  His son, John Tom Arney (1869-1946), wasn't born until after the Civil War. So, can anyone tell me, who this John T Arney was, who fought beside William Ervin Arney, during the America Civil War, please? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney

Yes it's tricky doing genealogy on a limited budget. I have the same problem living in new Zealand and all my ancestors were English Have you found yr ancestors arriving in the US. Passenger lists etc. I have sometimes found it useful to go further back and work forwards Researching Arney in London Jean Hedges On 14/03/2012, at 7:53 AM, Stan Arney <[email protected]> wrote: Q? How would you attempt Genealogy Networking? During these difficult financial times, we simply don't have the financial resources to traipse around the Country visiting libraries, etc. or to pay for "time & copies" from those libraries or Genealogy Societies, etc. At least, I don't have the finances, I can't speak for the rest of you. Anyways. I simply cannot make anymore "headway" when it comes to researching my ARNEY surname, w/o assistance. I had "hoped" to find, other active researchers, doing the same research, that lived in designated areas of interest, that might be willing to do the "leg work" and share their results, but alas, I haven't found anyone, period. After all, it would be mutually beneficial, to the overall research. However, 99.99% of the people I meet online, are doing other research, and my family surname, may crop up, once in their line, so they have limited interest, if you know what I mean. The people that once were actively researching, have since retired, lost interest, completed as much as they intend to, passed away, etc. So, how would you go about setting up a much needed Genealogy Network, to try to actively work on researching a specific surname? Example: My surname, lived in the areas of Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. I have traced them back to Pennsylvania, but there's where I hit a "snag" (aka "brick wall"). They were "supposedly" in York(town), York County, Pennsylvania, at least between 1749-1767, but finding documentation of this is "fleeting" at best. How would you proceed? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. ==== ARNEY Mailing List ==== [email protected] To contact the List Administrator: Rick Berkheiser, [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Q? How would you attempt Genealogy Networking? During these difficult financial times, we simply don't have the financial resources to traipse around the Country visiting libraries, etc. or to pay for "time & copies" from those libraries or Genealogy Societies, etc.  At least, I don't have the finances, I can't speak for the rest of you. Anyways. I simply cannot make anymore "headway" when it comes to researching my ARNEY surname, w/o assistance. I had "hoped" to find, other active researchers, doing the same research, that lived in designated areas of interest, that might be willing to do the "leg work" and share their results, but alas, I haven't found anyone, period.  After all, it would be mutually beneficial, to the overall research.  However, 99.99% of the people I meet online, are doing other research, and my family surname, may crop up, once in their line, so they have limited interest, if you know what I mean.  The people that once were actively researching, have since retired, lost interest, completed as much as they intend to, passed away, etc. So, how would you go about setting up a much needed Genealogy Network, to try to actively work on researching a specific surname? Example:  My surname, lived in the areas of Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.  I have traced them back to Pennsylvania, but there's where I hit a "snag" (aka "brick wall").  They were "supposedly" in York(town), York County, Pennsylvania, at least between 1749-1767, but finding documentation of this is "fleeting" at best. How would you proceed? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Q? Anyone willing to compare notes on the ARNEY surname? My tracing of the ARNEY surname is as follows: Jacob Arney (????-1784), died in Lincoln County, North CarolinaWife1: Anna Ursula KronWife2: Elizabeth (surname/maiden name, unconfirmed) Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr. (1750-1834), died in Lincoln County, North CarolinaAdam "Lawrence" Arney (1751-1802), died in Burke County, North CarolinaJohann Heinrich "Henry" Arney, Sr. (1755-1830), died in Owen County, IndianaAnna Elisabeth Arney-Setzer/Setser (1761-1849)Peter Arney (1772-1845), died in Overton County, TennesseeCatherine Arney-Edleman (1774-????) I descend from Peter Arney's line:Peter Arney (1772-1845) > Matthew Arney (1816-1902) > William Ervin Arney (1841-1887) > Otha Jouett Arney (1875-1956) > Stanley Goble Arney (1909-1979) > Jerry Kenneth Arney, Sr. (1938-1998) > myself Though I have been pursuing this since the mid 1970's, I still have so many questions (Q?) I still do not know, who Jacob Arney's siblings & parents were, or where Jacob, his siblings, or his parents were born? Even my direct ancestor, Peter Arney, I have so many more Q?, than answers. Who was his Wife, Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown)? Who exactly were his children?Were they: Margaret (1793), Adam (1797), Henry (1799), John (1802), Hiram (1804/1817), Lucretia (1805), William (1815), Matthew (1816), James (1822), and Hardy (1827)? Why did he leave his land and property to only 3 Sons (Henry, Hiram, & Matthew)? Where did Henry and Hiram, disappear to after 1845? Why does Hiram Arney, never appear in any US Federal Census? Hampering all research in Tennessee are some unfortunate events, the burning of the Overton County Courthouse (1865) & Pickett County Courthouse (1934), and the creation of Dale Hollow Lake (1943). These events caused the loss of many records, and the loss of family land and grave markers.  The 166 "Unknown Graves", that Arney's were buried under, that we shall never know for sure, who was actually buried beneath. I wish I could talk to those early ARNEY researchers, of the 1950's, and see exactly how, they put their family tree together, but alas, I can't. How did they know, that Jacob Arney, lived in Pennsylvania, before moving to North Carolina? How did they know, the names of his children, when his own Will doesn't reveal them? How did they know, that the Peter Arney, bound out as an "orphan" in 1787, was the same Peter Arney, that moved on to Virginia, and then Tennessee? Again, lots of Q?, not many satisfying answers. Anyone care to toss in, their knowledge? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney

Adam ARNEY, born in 1797, in Virginia, and died between 1870-1880. Is listed in the US Federal Census State of Tennessee, Overton County, in 1820, 1830, 1840, 1860, 1870 State of Kentucky, Cumberland County, in 1850. Adam ARNEY, is believed to the the 1st son, of Peter ARNEY (1772-1845). Since the US Federal Census, doesn't list individuals (besides Head of Household) until 1850, it's difficult to ascertain exactly who Adam Arney's children specifically were.  After all, he would have been 53, in 1850. In the 1850 US Federal Census, State of Kentucky, Cumberland County, we find Adam Arney and family: Adam Arney, male, 51, married, Carpenter, born in Virginia Nancy Arney, female, 48, married, born in Tennessee John Arney, male, 25, born in Tennessee W J Arney, male, 21, born in Tennessee Mary A Arney, female, 18, born in Tennessee Emily Arney, female, 13, born in Tennessee Martin A Arney, male, 15, born in Tennessee M J Arney, female, 9, born in Tennessee By the time of the 1860 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County, we find Adam Arney and family: Adam Arney, male, 63, Farmer, born in Virginia Nancy Arney, female, 63, born in Tennessee Martha Arney, female, 16, born in Tennessee Near him we also find: Isiah Britton, male, 30, Farm Laborer, born in Tennessee Emiline Britton, female, 22, born in Tennessee and John Arney, male, 30, Farmer, born in Tennessee Sarah Arney, female, 30, born in Tennessee Due to the proximity of Emiline Britton and John Arney, it's highly likely these were Adam Arney's daughter and son. The last one we find Adam Arney in, 1870 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County: Adam Arney, male, 73, Farmer, born in Virginia Nancy Arney, female, 71, Keeping house, born in Tennessee John Arney, male, 49, Farmer, born in Tennessee Mary Arney, female, 29, House keeper, born in Tennessee George W Arney, male, 7, born in Tennessee Now, we can see that Adam Arney and his Wife, Nancy are still alive, at this point. We can gather the "possibility", that the John Arney, is their son, John. We can gather the "possibility", that the Mary Arney, is their daughter, M J. I know, very little about Adam Arney, and his family.  As the 1st son of my ancestor, Peter Arney (the Tennessee Arney Patriarch), I should know much more, but I don't. Other than these Census documents, and his failed attempt to contest his father's (Peter's) "unofficial Will", I know very little about Adam Arney. Can anyone else, shed some "genealogy" light, on the life of Adam Arney? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney

In the book titled, "The Dale Hollow Lake Graves" by Gary D Norris It mentions the "Cemeteries" Page 26 Original Dale Hollow Lake Cemeteries Arney The Arney Cemetery was on Tract D-501-A in Clay County. All of the 100 graves were unknowns and they were moved to St. John Cemetery. Arney #1 This cemetery is given this name by the Corp of Engineers even though there is another Arney Cemetery.  This Arney Cemetery was found in Clay County on Tract G-507.  There were 63 unknowns and 8 knowns for a total of 71 graves at this site.  All 71 graves were moved to the St. John Cemetery in the same county. Arney #2 This small cemetery of 3 total graves was found in Clay County on Tract G-507. All 3 unknown graves were moved to St. John Cemetery. [That means out of a total of 174 graves found, 166 were "unknowns" and were moved to St. John's Cemetery, in Clay County, Tennessee] We will probably never know, for certain, who was buried in those graves, unfortunately. However, I wonder, with the "process of elimination", if we could narrow down, who many of them, might have been. I do find it curious, that William Ervin Arney (1841-1887), has not one but two grave markers, yet his own father, Matthew Arney, Sr. (1816-1902), doesn't appear to have one? Then again, Peter Arney (1772-1845), the Tennessee ARNEY Patriarch, doesn't appear to have a grave marker, either. Therefore it's "highly likely", that Peter Arney and his Wife, Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown), are among the "Unknowns" In fact, none of Peter's children appear to have grave markers: Margaret, Adam, Henry, John, Hiram, Lucretia, William, Matthew, James, & Hardy. (then again, some are likely buried out of State, John buried in Johnson County, TN). By 1900 (US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Clay & Pickett Counties), there are only 5 Arney households, in Clay or Pickett Counties, Tennessee. If we know, who died and was buried in Overton, Clay, and Pickett Counties, between 1820-1943, we can probably narrow down the list.  It certainly would have helped, if someone would have noted, somewhere, who was buried in those graves (family bible, etc.). Stan

In the book titled, "The Dale Hollow Lake Graves" by Gary D Norris It mentions the "Cemeteries" Page 26 Original Dale Hollow Lake Cemeteries Arney The Arney Cemetery was on Tract D-501-A in Clay County. All of the 100 graves were unknowns and they were moved to St. John Cemetery. Arney #1 This cemetery is given this name by the Corp of Engineers even though there is another Arney Cemetery.  This Arney Cemetery was found in Clay County on Tract G-507.  There were 63 unknowns and 8 knowns for a total of 71 graves at this site.  All 71 graves were moved to the St. John Cemetery in the same county. Arney #2 This small cemetery of 3 total graves was found in Clay County on Tract G-507. All 3 unknown graves were moved to St. John Cemetery. [That means out of a total of 174 graves found, 166 were "unknowns" and were moved to St. John's Cemetery, in Clay County, Tennessee] We will probably never know, for certain, who was buried in those graves, unfortunately. Stan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: arney9thgeneration Surnames: ARNEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.arney/330/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Q? for anyone willing to answer. How did previous Arney surname family researchers "tie" these people together? (because, at this point, truly, I don't know) How did they know, that . . . Jacob Arney and Anna Ursula Kron, were the parents of: Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr. (1755-1834) Adam "Lawerence" Arney (1751-1802) Johann Heinrich "Henry" Arney, Sr. (1755-1830) Anna Elisabeth Arney-Setser/Setzer (1761-1849) What documentation (or as I refer to it, "DTP" Definitive Tangible Proof) did they find that led them to these conclusions? Jacob Arney and Elizabeth (surname/maiden name, unconfirmed), were the parents of: Peter Arney (1772-1845) Catherine Arney-Edleman (1774-????) Until the 1850 US Federal Census, as a research tool, the names of individuals in a "household" were not individually mentioned (yes, we all know this) So, how did they know: Peter Arney and Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown), were the parents of: Margaret Arney (1793-????) Adam Arney (1797-1870) Henry Arney (1799-????) John Arney (1802-1880) Hiram Arney (1804-????) Lucretia Arney (1805-????) William Arney (1815-1880) Matthew Arney (1818-1902) James Arney (1822-1865) Hardy Arney (1827-1880) After all, Peter Arney died in 1845, 5 years before the 1850 US Federal Census. Henry Arney (1799-????), can "supposedly" be found in the 1830 & 1840 Census, but disappears after that (meaning he can't be found, anywhere). Hiram Arney (1804-????), cannot be found in any Tennessee Census, so where did he go after his fathers, Peter's, death? Q? How did these early Arney family researchers (and I'm talking about a few that did research in the 1950's, like Ms. Edna Williams) fit or tie these people together, to believe they were part of the same family? I mean, I'm just as guilty as many researchers out there, in this regard, in what I term, "Stand on the shoulders of Others" researching. Meaning, simply "accepting" that these people knew what they researched and were talking about, therefore I can build upon their research to continue mine. Can someone explain to me, how they were able to tie these people together? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have a Q? for anyone willing to answer. How did previous Arney surname family researchers "tie" these people together? (because, at this point, truly, I don't know) How did they know, that . . . Jacob Arney and Anna Ursula Kron, were the parents of: Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr. (1755-1834) Adam "Lawerence" Arney (1751-1802) Johann Heinrich "Henry" Arney, Sr. (1755-1830) Anna Elisabeth Arney-Setser/Setzer (1761-1849) What documentation (or as I refer to it, "DTP" Definitive Tangible Proof) did they find that led them to these conclusions? Jacob Arney and Elizabeth (surname/maiden name, unconfirmed), were the parents of: Peter Arney (1772-1845) Catherine Arney-Edleman (1774-????) Until the 1850 US Federal Census, as a research tool, the names of individuals in a "household" were not individually mentioned (yes, we all know this) So, how did they know: Peter Arney and Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown), were the parents of: Margaret Arney (1793-????) Adam Arney (1797-1870) Henry Arney (1799-????) John Arney (1802-1880) Hiram Arney (1804-????) Lucretia Arney (1805-????) William Arney (1815-1880) Matthew Arney (1818-1902) James Arney (1822-1865) Hardy Arney (1827-1880) After all, Peter Arney died in 1845, 5 years before the 1850 US Federal Census. Henry Arney (1799-????), can "supposedly" be found in the 1830 & 1840 Census, but disappears after that (meaning he can't be found, anywhere). Hiram Arney (1804-????), cannot be found in any Tennessee Census, so where did he go after his fathers, Peter's, death? Q? How did these early Arney family researchers (and I'm talking about a few that did research in the 1950's, like Ms. Edna Williams) fit or tie these people together, to believe they were part of the same family? I mean, I'm just as guilty as many researchers out there, in this regard, in what I term, "Stand on the shoulders of Others" researching.  Meaning, simply "accepting" that these people knew what they researched and were talking about, therefore I can build upon their research to continue mine. Can someone explain to me, how they were able to tie these people together? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Hi, I'm looking for old Arney photographs, that anyone is willing to share. Digital copies, of course, not the actual photo. I'm looking for any Arney photographs, but more specifically, any photographs of Peter Arney's children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. Peter Arney's (1772-1845) children: Margaret Arney (1793-????) Adam Arney (1797-1870), married Nancy (surname/maiden name, not known) Henry Arney (1799-????) John Arney (1802-1880), married Christina Vaught (1806-1860) and Mary Caroline Matheson (1826-1898) Hiram Arney (1804-????) Lucretia Arney (1805-????) William Arney (1815-1880), married Sarah (surname/maiden name unknown) Matthew Arney (1818-1902), married Sarah Farris (181801840) and Sarah "Sallie" Patrick (1824-1900) James Arney (1822-1865), married Chana Britton (1822-????) Hardy Arney (1827-1880), married Amanda (surname/maiden name, unknown) Matthew Arney's (1818-1902) children: TIm Arney Dianah Arney (1836-????) A Cullom Arney (1838-????) William Ervin Arney (1841-1887), married Sarah "Sally" Burris Jouett (1841-1925) John Preston Arney (1844-1910), married Mary A Francis Richardson Sarah Margaret Arney (1848-????), married William Wilson Heard (1824-????) Queen Ann Arney (1852-1920), married William C Conner (1844-1920) Josiah Flemming "Flem" Arney, twin (1856-1889), married Cordelia E Heard (1855-1927) Matthew Porter Arney, twin (1856-1902), married Sarah C Heard (1859-1876) and Louisa Catherine Taylor (1863-1948) Amanda Hellen Arney (1858-1934), married William Maxwell Taylor (1856-1943) Ada Irene Arney (1860-1898), married Beverly "Belve" Carr Wilborn (1856-1931) Jefferson Davis Arney (1863-1934), married Susan Jane Smith (1869-1941) Any photographs, anyone is willing to share, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney Wichita, KS

In trying to track down, where Matthew Arney, Sr.'s father, Peter's land, actually was in Overton County.  I can see, via the 1836 Overton County Civil Districts & Tax Lists, that it states that Peter Arney's 300 (acres) were in District 7, which according to the hand-drawn map, included with that list, shows District 7 being below, District 8 (District 8, actually being on the border of Kentucky).  This doesn't mean, that Peter's original 300 acres (purchased from John Sevier, in 1814), still couldn't be where I have determined it was (near where what is currently, "County Line Island", which is split between Clay and Pickett Counties). With the creation of Clay County, in 1870, and Pickett County, in 1879, Peter's land could easily have been split between both Counties (Clay & Pickett). In my notes, I have that Matthew Arney, Sr. left his land (which was in the 3rd Civil District of Pickett County), to Jefferson Davis Arney, B. C. Wilborn (husband of his daughter, Ada), & Cordelia Heard-Arney (widow of his son, Josiah Fleming Arney), and upon the death of Cordelia, to her son, James "Jim" W. Arney. I note, that this was part of his "Unofficial Will", that he did this, much like his own father, Peter Arney did, back in 1845. If Peter Arney's land, was eventually divided, between Clay & Pickett Counties, wouldn't Matthew Arney, Sr. have had to have drawn up, two "Unofficial Wills", one in Clay County and one in Pickett County? If so, then the one I'm referring to, for Pickett County, would be only one of the two, therefore, I would still need to find the other "Unofficial Will", drawn up in Clay County? Please, tell me, what you may know about this matter. Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney Wichita, KS

Hi, I'm trying to trace land ownership, of my ARNEY ancestors & their descendants. My Tennessee ARNEY Patriarch, was Peter Arney (1772-1845), who purchased 300 acres of land, in Overton County, in 1814, from John Sevier. In 1845, he divided up his land and property to only 3 of his sons (w/o an "official Will"). After a lengthy Court battle, the 3 sons were awarded the land (minus 1/2 the land and property, that went to their attorney, for his services) and property. The "story" goes, that one of the sons, Matthew, not only bought out his other 2 brothers shares (who chose to move out of Tennessee), but also that he bought back the attorney's share, as well. Then, Matthew (1818-1902), in 1898, writing an "unofficial Will" of his own, did the same thing his father (Peter) did.  He left the land to only 3 individuals: His youngest son, Jefferson Davis Arney, his son-in-law B. C. Wilborn (husband of his daughter, Ada), and his daughter-in-law Cordelia Heard-Arney (widow of his son, Josiah Fleming Arney), with the condition that upon the death of Cordelia, her share, going to her young son James "Jim" W. Arney. The next "story" goes, that Jim Arney (who did indeed inherit his mother's share, after her death), bought out his Uncle's, Jefferson Davis Arney, share, when the uncle wanted to leave Tennessee, as well. In trying to determine, where exactly Peter Arney's original land purchase was, I have been unable to do so. However, looking at the "unofficial Will" of his son, Matthew Arney, written in 1898, he describes the area, as follows: "In the 3rd Civil District of Pickett County, Tennessee, on the waters of the Obed River and bounded and described as follows:  On the North by the lands of B. C. Wilborn, on the West by the lands of W. H. Wilborn and C. H. Heard, on the South by the lands of T. S. Smith and W. M. Hull, on the East by Obed River. Beginning on a white oak on top of the bluff of Obed River near the mouth of a branch, B. C. Wilborn corner running southwest direction a straight line to a rock on the bank of Ashborn Creek near Harrison Heard's house, thence a southeast direction a straight line to a breech in a hollow in C. H. Heard's line, thence northeast direction with T. S. Smith's line to the Duncan corner, thence northeast direction with the Duncan's line to an elm at the forks of a branch in the Lick branch Hollow, the Duncan corner, thence down said branch with it's meanders to a black Gum near the River, thence down said river with it's meanders to a white Oak, the beginning corner." I have to say, that Matthew's land description of the area is much more concise, compared to reading the 3 documents his father (Peter) had drawn up, describing the land & property he left to his 3 sons (Matthew, Henry, & Hiram). So, given this brief description, thanks to Matthew, perhaps I can find a map, that might give me an idea, just where this land was.  Obviously, it would have to be a Pickett County, Tennessee detailed map, circa 1898-1900.  As we know, this area was part of the "Dale Hollow Lake creation project", so any maps after 1943, would definitely be worthless, in trying to locate this area. Does anyone, have any idea, if there are any land boundary maps, etc., that exist, that may help me, pinpoint the location of Matthew Arney, Sr.'s land? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney Wichita, KS

Q? "How can I find secondary information, for Overton County, Tennessee?" When the Overton County Courthouse was burned at the end of the American Civil War, in 1865, many records, prior to 1865, were lost. My family, ARNEY (ARNY), was in Overton County, since before it's formation, and remained in Overton County, until the formation of Clay & Pickett Counties, putting them in those Counties, w/o ever moving. Even though, I have been researching this family, since the mid 1970's, I still haven't learned where to look and how to find, "secondary" sources, for documentation, on this family. I have never been "formally" trained, as a research genealogist, I'm considered a "hobbyist". Much of the information, I have gleaned, about this family, is from a hand-drawn family tree, given to me back in the mid 1970's, some documents sent to me (via Postal Mail), over the decades, searching through the US Federal Census, both on microfilm, and now online (since you can download images, for free, much easier and less time consuming), and finding a few grave markers (online at sites like findagrave.com). What I would like to find is anything, that I term, "DTP" (Definitive Tangible Proof).Items that I consider at DTP include: birth/baptism records, marriage records, death records, land deals (purchases/sales), tax lists, Probate (Court documentation), Wills, paintings/pictures/photographs, letters (written by / written about), Census (Federal or Local), items created by / used by, grave markers, etc.[This is not a complete list, but you get the general idea] Researching my family, has been a quite difficult task, especially over the last few years, when contact (basically online) with others researching this same family, has basically ground to a halt. Finding "DTP", has been hampered for 2 reasons:1. The Overton County Courthouse fire, in 18652. The creation of Dale Hollow Lake, in 1942-1943 The 1st reason, I have basically statedThe 2nd reason, my Arney family, basically lived in the area (Lillydale) that was covered by water.  That means all their homes, land, etc. was lost.  It also means, that their ancestors graves were dug up and moved to "higher ground".  Unfortunately, most of these graves were marked, only with simple metal crosses painted white, with no identifiable information, as to who was buried beneath it.  The majority of these graves are now known as "unknown graves".  Therefore, there are no grave markers, to look at and note who was buried there. So, in trying to put together, "DTP" about my Arney family, prior to 1865, is proving very difficult, and so far, impossible. Yes, I know, you can find some Tennessee marriages online, and a few death records online, too. It will be nice, if and when, Tennessee ever gets it's microfilm digitized and online, but I don't see that happening, in the near future, either. May I ask, what sources do you "go to", to find "secondary sources" of information? I mean, the US Federal Census, is useless until 1850. My Tennessee Arney Patriarch, was Peter Arney, who arrived in the Cumberland area, between Kentucky & Tennessee, around 1799, and died in Overton County, Tennessee, in 1845. I would like to know, how past researchers, "tied his family together"?  If they didn't have any true "DTP" to look at, how did they know, who his children truly were?  What documentation or information did they look at, that lead them to the conclusions they made? After all, with a birth/baptism record, how did they know who his children were?  Without marriage records, how did they know, who his children married? If you can please direct me, to sources, I may check into, to find DTP, on this family, please do so. Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.