When American stopped the convicts arriving on your shores Debbie, they then came to Australia, starting with NSW, then much later 1804 in Tasmania at Port Arthur where that terrible massacre happened in 1996 Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie" <debra.street@verizon.net> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: Convicts > The Scots-Irish, or Ulster Scots from Northern Ireland, among the > Armstrongs, came to America for a variety of reasons. Some were, > indeed, poor and came as indentured servants. Many of the early > arrivals, however, except for the convicts, of course (after all, > America was where England dumped her convicts, oddballs, nuts and flakes > before we told them to cut it out as we'd by then learned how to > cultivate our own!) had enough money to buy land near where they > disembarked. Then many of their children started moving west and south, > feeling cramped by the constant influx of non-Scottish immigrants, or > being unable to find a nice chunk of reasonably-priced land locally, or > following other family members, or claiming free land as reward for > Revolutionary War service. A bit of the wanderlust was probably also > involved. Religious persecution also played a role in the Scots-Irish > Presbyterians' immigration: > > "During the reign of Queen Anne, Protestant sects whose views differed > from those of the Church of England underwent a period of outright > persecution throughout Britain. In 1704, High Church Anglicans among > the Queen's advisors influenced passage of the Sacramental Test Act > which prohibited nonconformists from holding public office. When the > Schism Bill was passed in 1714, preventing them from teaching school, > etc., the better educated Ulster Scots began departing for the Continent > and for North America. Subsequently, decline of the linen trade > accelerated the emigration of laborers and farmers to the New World. > > From 1725 to1765, 200,000 made their way to America via Northern > Ireland's ports of Belfast and Derry. Early arrivals having found New > England inhospitable, most disembarked in the Chesapeake Bay region - > particularly at Wilmington, New Castle and Lewes in Delaware, and > Philadelphia and Chester in Pennsylvania. According to one historian, > nearly 6,000 Presbyterians from Ireland landed at Philadelphia in 1729 > alone and "before the middle of the century, nearly 12,000 arrived > annually for several years." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- > On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 10:32 PM, Rob and Edie McArthur wrote: > > > Apart from the convicts Fount, I think the free settlers were the same > > here, > > but also the convicts were enticed to stay with free land. > > Edie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > > To: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au>; <ARMSTRONG- > > L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > > > > > >> Edie, > >> I think poverty was the main reason most of the Armstrongs came from > > Ireland > >> to North America. > >> The offer of free land was a big enticement. > >> Can't blame them! > >> Fount (in cold FL) > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> > >> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:22 AM > >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >> > >> > >>> As you may remember Fount a couple of years ago Joyce Armstrong and I > > sat > >>> for hours recording all of the Tasmania Convicts named Armsrong and > >>> some > >> of > >>> those had first been convicts that had been sent to the mainland > > australia > >>> and when free had reoffended and were set to Tasmania. there were > >>> quite > > a > >>> lot of them, that is why I wondered if they had gone to America as > >> Convicts. > >>> Of course they were not criminals in the true sense, a good many were > > sent > >>> to work to build up the colony as not many would have come voluntarily > > to > >>> nothing much in those days. > >>> > >>> Edie > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > >>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:29 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cousin Edie, > >>>> No, best I can figure, some of Samuel's siblings first crossed over > >>>> to > >> PA > >>>> and then moved down to SC. Samuel and his young wife, her parents and > >>>> Samuel's widowed mother and their first child, crossed over to SC to > >>> obtain > >>>> some of the free land offered to immigrants at the time. They were > > just > >>> poor > >>>> farmers of the Presbyterian faith, as were many of the Armstrongs at > > the > >>>> time. > >>>> Fount > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> > >>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:31 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Not meaning to be rude Fount, but did Samuel come under the > > Governors > >>>>> Pleasure or as a free person. 68,000 plus convicts arrived in > >> Australia > >>>>> over a period of years. It started here about 1790 when American > >>> wouldn't > >>>>> take anymore. > >>>>> > >>>>> Edie > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > >>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:36 PM > >>>>> Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Well! Well! Cousins! > >>>>>> The old List still has some life in it yet! > >>>>>> The Armstrong Reveres will airways come out of the woods for a > >> party! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One thing the party will need for music is a band. Well, I'm > >> bringing > >>> my > >>>>> bass. I know there are some more musicians out there to sit in with > > me > >>> and > >>>>> play some good ole country and some of the good old songs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ya'll get ready because I'll be there with my bass, my crawfish > > and > >>> bbq. > >>>>>> I'll also have a sufficient supply of Canadian Club and a jug of > >>>> moonshine > >>>>> that came from the Smoky Mountains that has been aged in plums for > > the > >>>> past > >>>>> year and is mighty smooth, if I do say so myself! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lets make this cyber party one to remember! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cousin Fount Armstrong, researching descendants of Samuel > > Armstrong, > >>> who > >>>>> came to Abbyville, SC from Ballimena, Ireland in 1767. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > > > > >

Yes, I know that England then sent their convicts to Australia but I hadn't heard of a massacre in 1996. Who massacred who? Debbie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 06:11 AM, Rob and Edie McArthur wrote: > When American stopped the convicts arriving on your shores Debbie, they > then > came to Australia, starting with NSW, then much later 1804 in Tasmania > at > Port Arthur where that terrible massacre happened in 1996 > Edie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie" <debra.street@verizon.net> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: Convicts > > >> The Scots-Irish, or Ulster Scots from Northern Ireland, among the >> Armstrongs, came to America for a variety of reasons. Some were, >> indeed, poor and came as indentured servants. Many of the early >> arrivals, however, except for the convicts, of course (after all, >> America was where England dumped her convicts, oddballs, nuts and >> flakes >> before we told them to cut it out as we'd by then learned how to >> cultivate our own!) had enough money to buy land near where they >> disembarked. Then many of their children started moving west and >> south, >> feeling cramped by the constant influx of non-Scottish immigrants, or >> being unable to find a nice chunk of reasonably-priced land locally, or >> following other family members, or claiming free land as reward for >> Revolutionary War service. A bit of the wanderlust was probably also >> involved. Religious persecution also played a role in the Scots-Irish >> Presbyterians' immigration: >> >> "During the reign of Queen Anne, Protestant sects whose views differed >> from those of the Church of England underwent a period of outright >> persecution throughout Britain. In 1704, High Church Anglicans among >> the Queen's advisors influenced passage of the Sacramental Test Act >> which prohibited nonconformists from holding public office. When the >> Schism Bill was passed in 1714, preventing them from teaching school, >> etc., the better educated Ulster Scots began departing for the >> Continent >> and for North America. Subsequently, decline of the linen trade >> accelerated the emigration of laborers and farmers to the New World. >> >> From 1725 to1765, 200,000 made their way to America via Northern >> Ireland's ports of Belfast and Derry. Early arrivals having found New >> England inhospitable, most disembarked in the Chesapeake Bay region - >> particularly at Wilmington, New Castle and Lewes in Delaware, and >> Philadelphia and Chester in Pennsylvania. According to one historian, >> nearly 6,000 Presbyterians from Ireland landed at Philadelphia in 1729 >> alone and "before the middle of the century, nearly 12,000 arrived >> annually for several years." >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- >> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 10:32 PM, Rob and Edie McArthur >> wrote: >> >>> Apart from the convicts Fount, I think the free settlers were the same >>> here, >>> but also the convicts were enticed to stay with free land. >>> Edie >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> >>> To: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au>; <ARMSTRONG- >>> L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! >>> >>> >>>> Edie, >>>> I think poverty was the main reason most of the Armstrongs came from >>> Ireland >>>> to North America. >>>> The offer of free land was a big enticement. >>>> Can't blame them! >>>> Fount (in cold FL) >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> >>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:22 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! >>>> >>>> >>>>> As you may remember Fount a couple of years ago Joyce Armstrong >>>>> and I >>> sat >>>>> for hours recording all of the Tasmania Convicts named Armsrong and >>>>> some >>>> of >>>>> those had first been convicts that had been sent to the mainland >>> australia >>>>> and when free had reoffended and were set to Tasmania. there were >>>>> quite >>> a >>>>> lot of them, that is why I wondered if they had gone to America as >>>> Convicts. >>>>> Of course they were not criminals in the true sense, a good many >>>>> were >>> sent >>>>> to work to build up the colony as not many would have come >>>>> voluntarily >>> to >>>>> nothing much in those days. >>>>> >>>>> Edie >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> >>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Cousin Edie, >>>>>> No, best I can figure, some of Samuel's siblings first crossed over >>>>>> to >>>> PA >>>>>> and then moved down to SC. Samuel and his young wife, her parents >>>>>> and >>>>>> Samuel's widowed mother and their first child, crossed over to SC >>>>>> to >>>>> obtain >>>>>> some of the free land offered to immigrants at the time. They were >>> just >>>>> poor >>>>>> farmers of the Presbyterian faith, as were many of the Armstrongs >>>>>> at >>> the >>>>>> time. >>>>>> Fount >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> >>>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:31 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Not meaning to be rude Fount, but did Samuel come under the >>> Governors >>>>>>> Pleasure or as a free person. 68,000 plus convicts arrived in >>>> Australia >>>>>>> over a period of years. It started here about 1790 when American >>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>> take anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edie >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> >>>>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well! Well! Cousins! >>>>>>>> The old List still has some life in it yet! >>>>>>>> The Armstrong Reveres will airways come out of the woods for a >>>> party! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One thing the party will need for music is a band. Well, I'm >>>> bringing >>>>> my >>>>>>> bass. I know there are some more musicians out there to sit in >>>>>>> with >>> me >>>>> and >>>>>>> play some good ole country and some of the good old songs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ya'll get ready because I'll be there with my bass, my crawfish >>> and >>>>> bbq. >>>>>>>> I'll also have a sufficient supply of Canadian Club and a jug of >>>>>> moonshine >>>>>>> that came from the Smoky Mountains that has been aged in plums for >>> the >>>>>> past >>>>>>> year and is mighty smooth, if I do say so myself! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lets make this cyber party one to remember! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cousin Fount Armstrong, researching descendants of Samuel >>> Armstrong, >>>>> who >>>>>>> came to Abbyville, SC from Ballimena, Ireland in 1767. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >

Hi Debbie, When we were living in England on a working holiday in 1996, there was a massacre in quiet little Tasmania, when a young bloke ran amoke, killing 35 innocent men, women, children in cold blood. It took place at our famous, Convict Settlement at Port Arthur down Southern Tasmania. You can find a website on it I would gather. here Robs mum was telling us to be careful overseas and then this awful thing took place. Similar to the Dumblane massacre which was in Scotland about the same time. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie" <debra.street@verizon.net> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: Convicts > > Yes, I know that England then sent their convicts to Australia but I > hadn't heard of a massacre in 1996. Who massacred who? > > Debbie > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- > On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 06:11 AM, Rob and Edie McArthur wrote: > > > When American stopped the convicts arriving on your shores Debbie, they > > then > > came to Australia, starting with NSW, then much later 1804 in Tasmania > > at > > Port Arthur where that terrible massacre happened in 1996 > > Edie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Debbie" <debra.street@verizon.net> > > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: Convicts > > > > > >> The Scots-Irish, or Ulster Scots from Northern Ireland, among the > >> Armstrongs, came to America for a variety of reasons. Some were, > >> indeed, poor and came as indentured servants. Many of the early > >> arrivals, however, except for the convicts, of course (after all, > >> America was where England dumped her convicts, oddballs, nuts and > >> flakes > >> before we told them to cut it out as we'd by then learned how to > >> cultivate our own!) had enough money to buy land near where they > >> disembarked. Then many of their children started moving west and > >> south, > >> feeling cramped by the constant influx of non-Scottish immigrants, or > >> being unable to find a nice chunk of reasonably-priced land locally, or > >> following other family members, or claiming free land as reward for > >> Revolutionary War service. A bit of the wanderlust was probably also > >> involved. Religious persecution also played a role in the Scots-Irish > >> Presbyterians' immigration: > >> > >> "During the reign of Queen Anne, Protestant sects whose views differed > >> from those of the Church of England underwent a period of outright > >> persecution throughout Britain. In 1704, High Church Anglicans among > >> the Queen's advisors influenced passage of the Sacramental Test Act > >> which prohibited nonconformists from holding public office. When the > >> Schism Bill was passed in 1714, preventing them from teaching school, > >> etc., the better educated Ulster Scots began departing for the > >> Continent > >> and for North America. Subsequently, decline of the linen trade > >> accelerated the emigration of laborers and farmers to the New World. > >> > >> From 1725 to1765, 200,000 made their way to America via Northern > >> Ireland's ports of Belfast and Derry. Early arrivals having found New > >> England inhospitable, most disembarked in the Chesapeake Bay region - > >> particularly at Wilmington, New Castle and Lewes in Delaware, and > >> Philadelphia and Chester in Pennsylvania. According to one historian, > >> nearly 6,000 Presbyterians from Ireland landed at Philadelphia in 1729 > >> alone and "before the middle of the century, nearly 12,000 arrived > >> annually for several years." > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > ----------------------- > >> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 10:32 PM, Rob and Edie McArthur > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Apart from the convicts Fount, I think the free settlers were the same > >>> here, > >>> but also the convicts were enticed to stay with free land. > >>> Edie > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > >>> To: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au>; <ARMSTRONG- > >>> L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:43 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>> > >>> > >>>> Edie, > >>>> I think poverty was the main reason most of the Armstrongs came from > >>> Ireland > >>>> to North America. > >>>> The offer of free land was a big enticement. > >>>> Can't blame them! > >>>> Fount (in cold FL) > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> > >>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:22 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> As you may remember Fount a couple of years ago Joyce Armstrong > >>>>> and I > >>> sat > >>>>> for hours recording all of the Tasmania Convicts named Armsrong and > >>>>> some > >>>> of > >>>>> those had first been convicts that had been sent to the mainland > >>> australia > >>>>> and when free had reoffended and were set to Tasmania. there were > >>>>> quite > >>> a > >>>>> lot of them, that is why I wondered if they had gone to America as > >>>> Convicts. > >>>>> Of course they were not criminals in the true sense, a good many > >>>>> were > >>> sent > >>>>> to work to build up the colony as not many would have come > >>>>> voluntarily > >>> to > >>>>> nothing much in those days. > >>>>> > >>>>> Edie > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > >>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:29 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Cousin Edie, > >>>>>> No, best I can figure, some of Samuel's siblings first crossed over > >>>>>> to > >>>> PA > >>>>>> and then moved down to SC. Samuel and his young wife, her parents > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> Samuel's widowed mother and their first child, crossed over to SC > >>>>>> to > >>>>> obtain > >>>>>> some of the free land offered to immigrants at the time. They were > >>> just > >>>>> poor > >>>>>> farmers of the Presbyterian faith, as were many of the Armstrongs > >>>>>> at > >>> the > >>>>>> time. > >>>>>> Fount > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> > >>>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:31 AM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Not meaning to be rude Fount, but did Samuel come under the > >>> Governors > >>>>>>> Pleasure or as a free person. 68,000 plus convicts arrived in > >>>> Australia > >>>>>>> over a period of years. It started here about 1790 when American > >>>>> wouldn't > >>>>>>> take anymore. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Edie > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <farmstrong3@cfl.rr.com> > >>>>>>> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:36 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Party! Party! Party! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well! Well! Cousins! > >>>>>>>> The old List still has some life in it yet! > >>>>>>>> The Armstrong Reveres will airways come out of the woods for a > >>>> party! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> One thing the party will need for music is a band. Well, I'm > >>>> bringing > >>>>> my > >>>>>>> bass. I know there are some more musicians out there to sit in > >>>>>>> with > >>> me > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> play some good ole country and some of the good old songs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ya'll get ready because I'll be there with my bass, my crawfish > >>> and > >>>>> bbq. > >>>>>>>> I'll also have a sufficient supply of Canadian Club and a jug of > >>>>>> moonshine > >>>>>>> that came from the Smoky Mountains that has been aged in plums for > >>> the > >>>>>> past > >>>>>>> year and is mighty smooth, if I do say so myself! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Lets make this cyber party one to remember! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cousin Fount Armstrong, researching descendants of Samuel > >>> Armstrong, > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> came to Abbyville, SC from Ballimena, Ireland in 1767. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > >