Do you know that if you had a grandparent or parent born in Ireland and you can prove it, I believe you are elegible for Irish citizenship. (Just in case you decide to go....) Cousin Marilyn (one N) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Irish Armstrongs. I've got some of them. I've also got O"Cleirighs and > Loftus (Co Mayo) and MacAteer who are from Co. Down. Best thing to do if > you have Irish genealogy is go to Ireland, have a ball, wear a raincoat, > visit each bar, take a taxi or you'll crash driving on the wrong side of > the > road, look for records which you won't find, but eat their carrots which > are > SO much better than ours, be prepared to be charmed and go home wondering > why they ever left Ireland. Yeah, we know how it WAS and why they left, > but > I'd just as soon live there now. > > My granddaughter has a Chapman history book. They lived in NC. She lives > in Seattle. See, we steer clear of NC if possible. This is all my > husband's idea. He, from CT., thinks he's a southerner. > > > Marilynn > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Dear Faye, >> >> You have quite a lot of fairly recent information. I am no expert on >> Irish >> genealogy except to know that it's difficult, often nearly impossible to >> access. It does sound as you are dealing with ancestors from Ireland, >> not >> Ulster or those known as Scotch Irish (Irish of Scottish descent, usually >> Protestant). I think a good course for you to try is to take a look at >> www.rootsweb.com and search the lists for a list about Ireland or County >> Clare. There are good public records still existing in Dublin and I have >> written there for information. If your folks aren't from what is not >> Northern Ireland you don't need to worry about searching in PRONI in >> Belfast. >> >> Also, church records...if you can find out somehow (maybe from a County >> Clare list) the religion of your ancestor, maybe you can access church >> records to find out more about your ancestor, where baptized, where >> married, >> etc. If you can somehow find a marriage record you will probably know >> more >> about the parents' names, the townland, etc. >> >> Irish genealogy is a whole different animal from British and you have to >> approach it in other ways. You can also do a search at a Family History >> Center of the Latter Day Saints church and access their catalog and >> records, >> or you can search it on line as they do have some Irish records. I >> really >> think the best thing to do, though, is to search out a rootsweb list >> dealing >> with the area your ancestors were last known in Ireland or maybe a list >> for >> O'Dea family. >> >> Finally, if you look in the Scotch-Irish List archives I believe you'll >> find >> a tutorial in researching genealogy in Ireland. But I have always found >> the >> best help with Rootsweb lists for a particular Irish county. You can >> also >> get some good information about where to search when you get to Ireland >> on >> your trip. >> >> Sorry not to be of more help. Good luck in your search and let us know >> how >> you are doing with it. >> >> Regards, >> Marilyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >>> Hi Marilyn, >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. I have all Williams info from when he was charged >>> in >>> Dublin, icluding the newspaper report. I also have his shipping records >>> fro >>> when he came to Australia in the "Hero" and his life in Australia >>> including >>> all his descendants. A second cousin in Sydney has done a lot and I am >>> finalising my grandparents line. It has taken a while as there are over >>> 160 >>> descendants from them. >>> >>> I am sure William had a son, also William, who was charged with his dad >>> but >>> was let off while his father was transported for life to Australia. >>> >>> I can send you copies of this info if it would help. I am trying to find >>> out >>> Williams 3 childrens lives, their marriages, children etc. Do you have >>> any >>> clues for me to follow up on. No, I don't have the name of Williams wife >>> from Dublin nor the other childrens names. Is there any place or web >>> site >>> I >>> can get onto to try and find them? My husband and I are planniong to go >>> to >>> Ireland next July and will have only a day or two to search for them >>> whilst >>> there. We have planned to spend some time trying to find my husbands >>> grandmothers descendants in County Clare whilst there also. She was an >>> O'Dea. >>> >>> Any suggestions, web sites etc. would be most grateful. >>> >>> Thanks again for your time. >>> >>> Kindest regards >>> >>> Faye >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >>> Sent: Thursday, 5 October 2006 8:52 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> Hello, Faye, >>> You have given very little information to help find more about your >>> William >>> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>> >>> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >>> from >>> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >>> William >>> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >>> kids? >>> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >>> in >>> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >>> Australia? >>> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >>> finding >>> more information about William's family in Ireland. >>> >>> Sorry not to be of more help. >>> >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>>> Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. >>>> >>>> I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who >>>> came >>>> from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 >>>> children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need >>>> more >>>> info let me know. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>> gospel >>>> anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>> really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>> have >>>> been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>> the >>>> U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>> religious...to >>>> confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>> >>>> When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>> local >>>> LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>> few >>>> ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>> that >>>> person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>> that >>>> had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>> often. >>>> I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>> information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>> trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>> published >>>> works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>> who >>>> wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>> >>>> If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>> royal >>>> families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>> records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>> not. >>>> I >>>> think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>> just >>>> dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>> >>>> As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>> searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>> fairly >>>> recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>> Tyrone..and >>>> that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>> genuine. >>>> It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>> matter >>>> if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>> documents to back it up. >>>> >>>> IMHO, >>>> Cousin Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>>> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>> references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>> >>>>> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>> >>>>> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>> One >>>>> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>> pay >>>>> someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>>> >>>>> Rob. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: >>>> 3/10/2006 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >>>> 4/10/2006 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >>> 4/10/2006 >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: >>> 5/10/2006 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message