Why is it we tend to think the Pilgrims were nice? They were a bawdy bunch. The rebels of the day. The founding fathers weren't so whippy either, but like our own DNA that's it! The American history we teach in schools ought to be what we learn from genealogy instead of the glorified set of dates presented. It would be soooo much more fun. A good reenactment experience would teach more history than most of the books out today, combine it with a little geography--what fun. I am not a member of the DAR (could be on a couple sides of the family) but they do some really good things in local areas and they can be an interesting, humble group. There was a time in the late 40's and early 50's when they became overly impressed with their mission in life and hence some bad experiences ensued. I wish I knew then what I know now. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > There is a fairly new book out, "Mayflower," by Nathaniel Philbrick. > It doesn't paint a very pretty picture of the Pilgrims. > Philbrick won the National Book Award with a previous book called "In > the Heart of the Sea." > It's my feeling that I really don't need a lot of new cousins. If it > really turned out to be in the hundreds of thousands, it would just be > another bunch wanting to borrow money. > Regarding what kids learn now, I think every kid should read "1776," > a Pulitzer Prize winner, by David McCullough and his other books, "John > Adams" and "Truman" are great too." Morning on Horseback" is his story > of Teddy Roosevelt early days, before the presidency. Also very good! > We didn't stop in Plymouth, when we passed through, but we have done > a lot of traveling with the kids. We have a small motor home, and the > only states we haven't visited are North Dakota and Rhode Island. We > even rented one and traveled to most of the countries in Europe during > our six your tour of duty there. We found that traveling and camping is > a great way for kids to learn and meet the local folks. > Thanks for the nice note. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > > >Yeah, I had a couple who came over on the Winthrop fleet, too and I know > >about that society. Ditto "Colonial Dames" and some other one where you had > >to have ancestors here early. My grandmother was very proud and was always > >saying, "You are eligible to join....this or that group." I think she was > >disappointed that I never did. I figure there must be a million people who > >would qualify at the rate that New Englanders can find "cousins" in many > >different lines. It's interesting that so many clubs have formed. My only > >Mayflower connection is to an old guy who died in the harbor while still on > >the ship. The next year his daughter came over...otherwise I'd have no > >connection. I once read if you had an ancestor on the Mayflower you had > >some huge number...hundreds of thousands... of "cousins" who also could > >claim those folks as ancestors. If you've never been to Plymouth, MA, the > >museum and the Pilgrim village with authentic everything and re-enactors is > >very interesting even if you didn't have a Mayflower ancestor...it gives a > >great picture of how those early ancestors lived. > > > >I guess I never was drawn to join any formal group but I'm sure those groups > >do a lot of good keeping history alive (did you know that there is a lot > >less emphasis on history now than there was when we were kids in school...I > >think that's terrible! A lot of kids don't even know what the Revolution was > >about. Really shameful.) > > > >Cousin Marilyn > > > >Cousin Marilyn > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:55 AM > >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Marilyn, > >>Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. > >>She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for > >>you. > >>My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with > >>the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest > >>ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 > >>aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in > >>the Winthrop Society. > >>Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or > >>the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. > >>Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. > >>Sincerely, > >>Bob Armstrong > >> > >>Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been > >>>thinking...my > >>>mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my > >>>Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be > >>>eligible for the D.A.R. > >>> > >>>Marilyn > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> > >>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Dear Marilyn, > >>>>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be > >>>>excluded? > >>>>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. > >>>>Sincerely, > >>>>Bob Armstrong > >>>>in Houston, TX > >>>> > >>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every > >>>>>interested > >>>>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and > >>>>>patriotic > >>>>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to > >>>>>belong; > >>>>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. > >>>>>They > >>>>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." > >>>>> > >>>>>Marilyn > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> > >>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Marilyn, > >>>>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. > >>>>>>Sincerely, > >>>>>>Bob Armstrong > >>>>>>in Houston, TX > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the > >>>>>>>original > >>>>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) > >>>>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any > >>>>>>>desire > >>>>>>>to > >>>>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a > >>>>>>>couple > >>>>>>>of > >>>>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it > >>>>>>>wouldn't > >>>>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the > >>>>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody > >>>>>>>jumps > >>>>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a > >>>>>>>friend > >>>>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the > >>>>>>>exclusivity of it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't > >>>>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in > >>>>>>>>mine, > >>>>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can > >>>>>>>>just > >>>>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is > >>>>>>>>undocumented > >>>>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all > >>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>info, > >>>>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. > >>>>>>>>And > >>>>>>>>probably won't be. > >>>>>>>>Marilynn > >>>>>>>>IBSSG > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as > >>>>>>>>>gospel > >>>>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. > >>>>>>>>>You > >>>>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you > >>>>>>>>>have > >>>>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to > >>>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or > >>>>>>>>>religious...to > >>>>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the > >>>>>>>>>local > >>>>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of > >>>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>>few > >>>>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available > >>>>>>>>>on > >>>>>>>>>that > >>>>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the > >>>>>>>>>info > >>>>>>>>>that > >>>>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen > >>>>>>>>>fairly > >>>>>>>>>often. > >>>>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza > >>>>>>>>>of > >>>>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I > >>>>>>>>>can > >>>>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most > >>>>>>>>>published > >>>>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those > >>>>>>>>>who > >>>>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have > >>>>>>>>>one > >>>>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, > >>>>>>>>>through > >>>>>>>>>royal > >>>>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the > >>>>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe > >>>>>>>>>not. > >>>>>>>>>I > >>>>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we > >>>>>>>>>are > >>>>>>>>>just > >>>>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to > >>>>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only > >>>>>>>>>fairly > >>>>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. > >>>>>>>>>Tyrone..and > >>>>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are > >>>>>>>>>genuine. > >>>>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, > >>>>>>>>>no > >>>>>>>>>matter > >>>>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records > >>>>>>>>>or > >>>>>>>>>documents to back it up. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>IMHO, > >>>>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer > >>>>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual > >>>>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! > >>>>>>>>>>:D > >>>>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY > >>>>>>>>>>details? > >>>>>>>>>>One > >>>>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to > >>>>>>>>>>pay > >>>>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Take care, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Rob. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>>>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>-- > >>>>>>Sincerely, > >>>>>>Bob Armstrong > >>>>>>in Houston, TX > >>>>>>picture > >>>>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and > >>>>>>without > >>>>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ > >>>>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > >>>>>>America, author of the veterinary > >>>>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > >>>>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > >>>>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & > >>>>>>Noble > >>>>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Sincerely, > >>>>Bob Armstrong > >>>>in Houston, TX > >>>>picture > >>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > >>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ > >>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > >>>>America, author of the veterinary > >>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > >>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > >>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > >>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Sincerely, > >>Bob Armstrong > >>in Houston, TX > >>picture > >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ > >> Robert E. 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Oh, they WERE a bawdy bunch, weren't they? One reason I left DAR was when a state Registrar didn't want to approve a certain person because she wasn't "Our Kind." Wrong color. Just happens my very best friend is someone she would consider wrong color. She's brown and I say I am, with all these freckles, polka-dot. I'm sure not white. I don't know what I'd do without her. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] [DAR and history > Why is it we tend to think the Pilgrims were nice? They were a bawdy > bunch. > The rebels of the day. The founding fathers weren't so whippy either, but > like our own DNA that's it! > >