Dang! I'm one generation off. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Do you know that if you had a grandparent or parent born in Ireland and > you > can prove it, I believe you are elegible for Irish citizenship. (Just in > case you decide to go....) > Cousin Marilyn (one N) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Irish Armstrongs. I've got some of them. I've also got O"Cleirighs and >> Loftus (Co Mayo) and MacAteer who are from Co. Down. Best thing to do if >> you have Irish genealogy is go to Ireland, have a ball, wear a raincoat, >> visit each bar, take a taxi or you'll crash driving on the wrong side of >> the >> road, look for records which you won't find, but eat their carrots which >> are >> SO much better than ours, be prepared to be charmed and go home wondering >> why they ever left Ireland. Yeah, we know how it WAS and why they left, >> but >> I'd just as soon live there now. >> >> My granddaughter has a Chapman history book. They lived in NC. She >> lives >> in Seattle. See, we steer clear of NC if possible. This is all my >> husband's idea. He, from CT., thinks he's a southerner. >> >> >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >>> Dear Faye, >>> >>> You have quite a lot of fairly recent information. I am no expert on >>> Irish >>> genealogy except to know that it's difficult, often nearly impossible to >>> access. It does sound as you are dealing with ancestors from Ireland, >>> not >>> Ulster or those known as Scotch Irish (Irish of Scottish descent, >>> usually >>> Protestant). I think a good course for you to try is to take a look at >>> www.rootsweb.com and search the lists for a list about Ireland or County >>> Clare. There are good public records still existing in Dublin and I >>> have >>> written there for information. If your folks aren't from what is not >>> Northern Ireland you don't need to worry about searching in PRONI in >>> Belfast. >>> >>> Also, church records...if you can find out somehow (maybe from a County >>> Clare list) the religion of your ancestor, maybe you can access church >>> records to find out more about your ancestor, where baptized, where >>> married, >>> etc. If you can somehow find a marriage record you will probably know >>> more >>> about the parents' names, the townland, etc. >>> >>> Irish genealogy is a whole different animal from British and you have to >>> approach it in other ways. You can also do a search at a Family History >>> Center of the Latter Day Saints church and access their catalog and >>> records, >>> or you can search it on line as they do have some Irish records. I >>> really >>> think the best thing to do, though, is to search out a rootsweb list >>> dealing >>> with the area your ancestors were last known in Ireland or maybe a list >>> for >>> O'Dea family. >>> >>> Finally, if you look in the Scotch-Irish List archives I believe you'll >>> find >>> a tutorial in researching genealogy in Ireland. But I have always found >>> the >>> best help with Rootsweb lists for a particular Irish county. You can >>> also >>> get some good information about where to search when you get to Ireland >>> on >>> your trip. >>> >>> Sorry not to be of more help. Good luck in your search and let us know >>> how >>> you are doing with it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Marilyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>>> Hi Marilyn, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your reply. I have all Williams info from when he was >>>> charged >>>> in >>>> Dublin, icluding the newspaper report. I also have his shipping records >>>> fro >>>> when he came to Australia in the "Hero" and his life in Australia >>>> including >>>> all his descendants. A second cousin in Sydney has done a lot and I am >>>> finalising my grandparents line. It has taken a while as there are over >>>> 160 >>>> descendants from them. >>>> >>>> I am sure William had a son, also William, who was charged with his dad >>>> but >>>> was let off while his father was transported for life to Australia. >>>> >>>> I can send you copies of this info if it would help. I am trying to >>>> find >>>> out >>>> Williams 3 childrens lives, their marriages, children etc. Do you have >>>> any >>>> clues for me to follow up on. No, I don't have the name of Williams >>>> wife >>>> from Dublin nor the other childrens names. Is there any place or web >>>> site >>>> I >>>> can get onto to try and find them? My husband and I are planniong to go >>>> to >>>> Ireland next July and will have only a day or two to search for them >>>> whilst >>>> there. We have planned to spend some time trying to find my husbands >>>> grandmothers descendants in County Clare whilst there also. She was an >>>> O'Dea. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions, web sites etc. would be most grateful. >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your time. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards >>>> >>>> Faye >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >>>> Sent: Thursday, 5 October 2006 8:52 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, Faye, >>>> You have given very little information to help find more about your >>>> William >>>> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>> >>>> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >>>> from >>>> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >>>> William >>>> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >>>> kids? >>>> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >>>> in >>>> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do >>>> you >>>> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >>>> Australia? >>>> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >>>> finding >>>> more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>> >>>> Sorry not to be of more help. >>>> >>>> Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:20 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. >>>>> >>>>> I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who >>>>> came >>>>> from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 >>>>> children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need >>>>> more >>>>> info let me know. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>> gospel >>>>> anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>> really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>> have >>>>> been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>> the >>>>> U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>> religious...to >>>>> confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>> When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>> local >>>>> LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>> few >>>>> ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>> that >>>>> person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>> that >>>>> had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>> often. >>>>> I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>> information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>> can >>>>> trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>> published >>>>> works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>> who >>>>> wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>> If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>> royal >>>>> families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>> records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>> not. >>>>> I >>>>> think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>> just >>>>> dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>> >>>>> As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>> searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>> fairly >>>>> recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>> Tyrone..and >>>>> that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>> genuine. >>>>> It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>> matter >>>>> if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>> or >>>>> documents to back it up. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, >>>>> Cousin Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>> references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>> >>>>>> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>> >>>>>> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>> One >>>>>> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>> pay >>>>>> someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: >>>>> 3/10/2006 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >>>>> 4/10/2006 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >>>> 4/10/2006 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: >>>> 5/10/2006 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >